Who drinks this crap

[dieseldog999]

However, I can’t see any problem having a cold can of beer or two after a day’s work.
You most likely would at home, your ‘‘company vehicle’’ is your home up to 5 nights a week, so what’s the difference?
I see your point if he’s sat necking a bottle of vodka, or a case of his Carling in the cab, (and I’m assuming he aint) so ‘‘company vehicle’’ or not is irrelevant.
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its all a question of degree.
bogdan and jakobski think its ok to neck a bottle of vodka and head off after 4 hours kip,whereas although that was ok in years gone bye in the uk,then your avarage joe has been brainwashed,and policed into now thinking that its not ok.
in more civilised european countries,then tolerance is basically zero,so its only a question of degree.

saying its your home when your tramping is completely irrelevant if your kipping in your truck/or campervan when plod decide to wake you up and smell the booze.
11 hours,or nothing will make any difference to you ending up in court,then its dependant on how you try to wriggle out of it.

if the truck next to you went on fire,you would be driving drunk,the same as your in charge of the vehicle.
automatically guilty and dependant on how much of a jobsworth slimebag the cop is…you will get charged if he feels like it,and you will end up in court.end of story.

[robroy]

dieseldog999:
However, I can’t see any problem having a cold can of beer or two after a day’s work.
You most likely would at home, your ‘‘company vehicle’’ is your home up to 5 nights a week, so what’s the difference?
I see your point if he’s sat necking a bottle of vodka, or a case of his Carling in the cab, (and I’m assuming he aint) so ‘‘company vehicle’’ or not is irrelevant.

its all a question of degree.
bogdan and jakobski think its ok to neck a bottle of vodka and head off after 4 hours kip,whereas although that was ok in years gone bye in the uk,then your avarage joe has been brainwashed,and policed into now thinking that its not ok.
in more civilised european countries,then tolerance is basically zero,so its only a question of degree.

saying its your home when your tramping is completely irrelevant if your kipping in your truck/or campervan when plod decide to wake you up and smell the booze.
11 hours,or nothing will make any difference to you ending up in court,then its dependant on how you try to wriggle out of it.

if the truck next to you went on fire,you would be driving drunk,the same as your in charge of the vehicle.
automatically guilty and dependant on how much of a jobsworth slimebag the cop is…you will get charged if he feels like it,and you will end up in court.end of story.

As I said bud, a couple of cans with your tacho on daily rest after your time is up, a good brief would come up with a ‘No case to answer’ .
Getting completely rat arsed then setting off 9 hours later is a different ball game.
It’s up to the Old Bill to separate the 2 in a case.

[the-snowman]

discoman:
he is in charge of a 44 tonne vehicle, and shouldn’t be doing what he is, he claims to be a professional driver, yet would advertise drinking rãt urine in his cab… it’s time, that all truck drivers had a 0 blood level whilst on duty or whilst in vehicle regardless of whether it is a rest period.

Get a grip man

[manalishi]

Water,after overnight storage in a copper-flask (imparts a healthier, more flavarous,taste upgrade)
M&S Lemonade (with ginger) superlative thirst quencher.
earl-grey & Peruvian (Tunki) coffee.
Mojitos or bog-standard vino.
soda-based tinned- pop,for cleaning the khazi,excellent with limescale,but partial to the occasional Root-Beer,especially the brand served in Byron-burger-joints.
m&s-Belgian,choc-drink,awesome product.

[manalishi]

discoman:

Jimmy McNulty:

discoman:

dozy:
It was on offer ( or maybe it’s always cheap ) , which is understandable as it’s rank , how anyone can drink this instead of a can of cider is beyond me , gave other 2 cans to pole who seemed very happy with it , easily pleased !!

Wow, how impressive, inside a company vehicle drinking… is your time that sad you can only drink alcohol and moan. Why not be constructive and go for a walk or learn a hobby.

I dread to think what your discos are like discoman.

Fellas probably just done 12 hours plus in 30 degree heat. A couple of cold cans to allow him to unwind and assist with sleep in the heat are probably a good idea, if not a prescription.

Ps dozy as far as I’m aware it’s the biggest selling lager in the UK so can’t be all bad.

30c is not hot, I assure you come to Australia, when you have 9 hours rest, not all persons are fit to drive , the job I do and have always done require 0 drugs and alcohol on duty policy (excludes prescribed)… he is in charge of a 44 tonne vehicle, and shouldn’t be doing what he is, he claims to be a professional driver, yet would advertise drinking rãt urine in his cab… it’s time, that all truck drivers had a 0 blood level whilst on duty or whilst in vehicle regardless of whether it is a rest period.

Curious,are you currently based ‘dairn-anda’ at present?..No way in hell could i handle that heat but i guess if you’re acclimatised,not too big an issue blue.I’m guessing the average haulage firm over there aren’t big on cab-coolers,although i could be wrong

[dieseldog999]

robroy:

dieseldog999:
However, I can’t see any problem having a cold can of beer or two after a day’s work.
You most likely would at home, your ‘‘company vehicle’’ is your home up to 5 nights a week, so what’s the difference?
I see your point if he’s sat necking a bottle of vodka, or a case of his Carling in the cab, (and I’m assuming he aint) so ‘‘company vehicle’’ or not is irrelevant.

its all a question of degree.
bogdan and jakobski think its ok to neck a bottle of vodka and head off after 4 hours kip,whereas although that was ok in years gone bye in the uk,then your avarage joe has been brainwashed,and policed into now thinking that its not ok.
in more civilised european countries,then tolerance is basically zero,so its only a question of degree.

saying its your home when your tramping is completely irrelevant if your kipping in your truck/or campervan when plod decide to wake you up and smell the booze.
11 hours,or nothing will make any difference to you ending up in court,then its dependant on how you try to wriggle out of it.

if the truck next to you went on fire,you would be driving drunk,the same as your in charge of the vehicle.
automatically guilty and dependant on how much of a jobsworth slimebag the cop is…you will get charged if he feels like it,and you will end up in court.end of story.

As I said bud, a couple of cans with your tacho on daily rest after your time is up, a good brief would come up with a ‘No case to answer’ .
Getting completely rat arsed then setting off 9 hours later is a different ball game.
It’s up to the Old Bill to separate the 2 in a case.

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a good brief might offer " no case to answer" whereas the prosecution would say that you were in charge of a 44 ton killing machine or camper whilst over the limit irrespective of if you were sleeping or not,hence drunk in charge and guilty…your mitigating circumstances make no odds to the sentence that the judge is obliged to give as itl only make the fine different as the minimum penalties apply.ie .banned and a fine…its black and white and outside a judges remit to admonish you .

[robroy]

dieseldog999:

robroy:

dieseldog999:
However, I can’t see any problem having a cold can of beer or two after a day’s work.
You most likely would at home, your ‘‘company vehicle’’ is your home up to 5 nights a week, so what’s the difference?
I see your point if he’s sat necking a bottle of vodka, or a case of his Carling in the cab, (and I’m assuming he aint) so ‘‘company vehicle’’ or not is irrelevant.

its all a question of degree.
bogdan and jakobski think its ok to neck a bottle of vodka and head off after 4 hours kip,whereas although that was ok in years gone bye in the uk,then your avarage joe has been brainwashed,and policed into now thinking that its not ok.
in more civilised european countries,then tolerance is basically zero,so its only a question of degree.

saying its your home when your tramping is completely irrelevant if your kipping in your truck/or campervan when plod decide to wake you up and smell the booze.
11 hours,or nothing will make any difference to you ending up in court,then its dependant on how you try to wriggle out of it.

if the truck next to you went on fire,you would be driving drunk,the same as your in charge of the vehicle.
automatically guilty and dependant on how much of a jobsworth slimebag the cop is…you will get charged if he feels like it,and you will end up in court.end of story.

As I said bud, a couple of cans with your tacho on daily rest after your time is up, a good brief would come up with a ‘No case to answer’ .
Getting completely rat arsed then setting off 9 hours later is a different ball game.
It’s up to the Old Bill to separate the 2 in a case.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
a good brief might offer " no case to answer" whereas the prosecution would say that you were in charge of a 44 ton killing machine or camper whilst over the limit irrespective of if you were sleeping or not,hence drunk in charge and guilty…your mitigating circumstances make no odds to the sentence that the judge is obliged to give as itl only make the fine different as the minimum penalties apply.ie .banned and a fine…its black and white and outside a judges remit to admonish you .

Reckon I would take my chances on that one.
They would need to prove intent of me moving off before my 11 hours was up…and why would I?
As for truck about to catch fire while parked next to burning truck scenario…all my kit out of window and abandon ship…end of.

[edd1974]

How true it is I don’t know.
But have heard a few times from various people and on cpc courses.

If your parked up having 11 hours off and decide to have a drink.
And the police see you decide to brethalise you and your over you can be done for drink driving . Being incontrool of a veichel under the influence of drink
. Even though you can’t legally drive off for at least 11 hours. By which time you could be under the limit.

[dieseldog999]

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a good brief might offer " no case to answer" whereas the prosecution would say that you were in charge of a 44 ton killing machine or camper whilst over the limit irrespective of if you were sleeping or not,hence drunk in charge and guilty…your mitigating circumstances make no odds to the sentence that the judge is obliged to give as itl only make the fine different as the minimum penalties apply.ie .banned and a fine…its black and white and outside a judges remit to admonish you .
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Reckon I would take my chances on that one.
They would need to prove intent of me moving off before my 11 hours was up…and why would I?
As for truck about to catch fire while parked next to burning truck scenario…all my kit out of window and abandon ship…end of.
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they wouldnt need to prove anything to find you guilty of drunk in charge as you would be in the vehicle,with the keys most likely in the ignition,theoretically over the limit,and if the cop decided to do you,then you would still end up in court.
the fact you were taking 11 or 111 hours off does not make any difference to being in your vehicle over the limit and if charged,you would be guilty.
the minimum penalty for that is a ban and a fine.
at that point you can plead mitigating circumstances all you like,but your doing it in court if the wrong plod wants to charge you in the 1st place.
the fact that lots of truckies have a cpl of beers when parked up and get away with it makes no difference other than your not obviously on the plod radar to give you a dig.
anyone kipping in a pub or hotel carpark because they decided not to drive is guilty of drunk driving,even if the cops wake them up to charge them,they are still automatically guilty of the offence.
what the court sees fit to do is irrelevant as your still ending up there after being arrested.

[robroy]

dieseldog999:
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a good brief might offer " no case to answer" whereas the prosecution would say that you were in charge of a 44 ton killing machine or camper whilst over the limit irrespective of if you were sleeping or not,hence drunk in charge and guilty…your mitigating circumstances make no odds to the sentence that the judge is obliged to give as itl only make the fine different as the minimum penalties apply.ie .banned and a fine…its black and white and outside a judges remit to admonish you
Reckon I would take my chances on that one.
They would need to prove intent of me moving off before my 11 hours was up…and why would I?
As for truck about to catch fire while parked next to burning truck scenario…all my kit out of window and abandon ship…end of.

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they wouldnt need to prove anything to find you guilty of drunk in charge as you would be in the vehicle,with the keys most likely in the ignition,theoretically over the limit,and if the cop decided to do you,then you would still end up in court.
the fact you were taking 11 or 111 hours off does not make any difference to being in your vehicle over the limit and if charged,you would be guilty.
the minimum penalty for that is a ban and a fine.
at that point you can plead mitigating circumstances all you like,but your doing it in court if the wrong plod wants to charge you in the 1st place.
the fact that lots of truckies have a cpl of beers when parked up and get away with it makes no difference other than your not obviously on the plod radar to give you a dig.
anyone kipping in a pub or hotel carpark because they decided not to drive is guilty of drunk driving,even if the cops wake them up to charge them,they are still automatically guilty of the offence.
what the court sees fit to do is irrelevant as your still ending up there after being arrested.

Spoken like a true non drinker.
Well if it happens I’ll take it from there, in the unlikely event I am ever over the limit.
Won’t lose any sleep over it in the meantime.
What about these guys who live in motor homes then?
You are maybe right, but it’s all theoretical scenario stuff, even the UK Police have better stuff to do than try and make a case out of something that ain’t real.

[dieseldog999]

i can get bladdered like anyone else mate.
i only drink when ive a good cause to though.
if its a good fishing trip or whatever,then il def be honking and fall out of the boat,or into the water one way or the other before the end of the day.
if im on holiday,then il have bunged the slaves and will be getting served when the bar opens in the morning,but apart from that,then i dont bother.
ive no stamina and go at it like the red indians.
just skull it and get blocked works fine for me as i dont like the taste of anything with alcohol.
its never happened to me when working and no doubt will never happen to most,but with the rapidly dropping police standards which leaves them with about as much initiative as a traffic cone,then you would only need the wrong one and thats the way it would go.
anywhere the public can access is fair game for them.
if we go overnight in one of the campers,then the keys get hid just in case.
theyre just dirtbags at the end of the day and you couldnt take the chance,though to be fair,in the south you could be having a lock in and drinking with the guards who really wouldnt give a toss anyway as they would be half scooped themselves in the more rural areas.

[the_nodding_donkey]

The law is very simple, it is an offence to be either “driving”, or to be “in charge of a motor vehicle” whilst over the prescribed limit.

But, following the letter of the law, that means that you are breaking the law if you are drinking at home, with your car parked on the drive, because you are technically “in charge” of your vehicle, and could drive off at any time if you wish.

The court has accepted that that is a ridiculous notion, and therefore judges cases on “intent”. If you are parked up in a motorhome, or a truck, with the keys removed from the ignition, and are having a drink, and you can reasonably show that you are not going to drive whilst under the influence, than you will not get convicted of an offence. Obviously, when you’re parked up for your daily 11, and have a can of two, you can reasonably say that your not going to drive whilst under the influence. Having a case of Stella on the bunk, and 5 empties on the floor, may be different…

[scottie0011]

robroy:
Spoken like a true non drinker.
Well if it happens I’ll take it from there, in the unlikely event I am ever over the limit.
Won’t lose any sleep over it in the meantime.
What about these guys who live in motor homes then?
You are maybe right, but it’s all theoretical scenario stuff, even the UK Police have better stuff to do than try and make a case out of something that ain’t real.

An ex workmate of mine is up in court in October for drunk in charge whilst on his daily rest, he was drinking in the cab with the curtains open in a services, someone shopped him, cops came, took him to the nick and he blew over, they never even looked at his tacho records, kept him in and only let him out when his 11 off was due to end ( he blew under the limit then). He lost his job over the heads of it as well, so if your going to have a few, make sure your curtains are closed.

[roymondo]

There’s a fair bit of almost-right-but-not-quite misinformation/misunderstanding around in this thread, but at the risk of triggering the usual “Mr Pedantic Pants” response from the land that time forgot:

1. The minimum sentence for drunk in charge (S5 Road Traffic Act 1988) is not a ban and a fine - disqualification for this offence is discretionary (unlike other more serious drink/drive offences where it is mandatory) and only kicks in under the sentencing guidelines if your breath/alcohol reading approaches twice the legal limit (at 60 microgrammes per 100 ml of breath - the legal limit being 35);

2. Police don’t have to prove that you intended to drive - all they have to prove is that you were “in charge” of the vehicle and that you were unfit or over the prescribed limit. At that point you are guilty. There is however a statutory defence available if YOU can prove to the Court that there was (on the balance of probabilities) no likelihood of you driving while you remained over the limit. The Drivers’ Hours Regs actually work in our favour here, as courts are happy to accept that, being fine upstanding law-abiding citizens, we are unlikely to drive before our 9/11 hours Rest has been taken.

The above applies in England & Wales. No idea what the details are North of the border or in NI (The Irish Republic of course is a totally separate country).

Tin hat donned at a suitably jaunty angle…

[robroy]

Ok but by giving those particular examples (especially the zero amount in a co vehicle crack ,) you’re just automatically equating having a pint or a bottle with a meal after a days work, as you would at home, (as I’m sure your boss does in his home) with getting rat arsed and off your ■■■■ to the point of not being capable of driving next morning.
So my answer to that would be let the Police do their job of sorting out the minority who do this, and not adapt the usual UK law policy of one blanket ban or treat everyone the same regardless, chucking out the baby with the bathwater.

[benjie83]

So the EE/EU lads sat outside their cabs on deck chairs avin a few in the laybs, bbqs toasting, surrounded by the flora/forna of those lovely glistening bottles hanging int trees, have the right idea then?

Keys are probably stashed in a Bush, an thus they can’t be done as they ain’t ‘in charge’ or likely to be as no keys, an they way too pasted too find em even with a full weekly rest ahead [emoji28]

As for Carling…

Mr Doze, steady pays one of the best boogie nights rates in the industry ffs, so for love of God at least go an buy some proper scrumpy to funk the night away with.
Or if you insist on drinking it, maybe a hand bag instead? [emoji8]

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[robroy]

Benjie83:
So the EE/EU lads sat outside their cabs on deck chairs avin a few in the laybs, bbqs toasting, surrounded by the flora/forna of those lovely glistening bottles hanging int trees, have the right idea then?

Keys are probably stashed in a Bush, an thus they can’t be done as they ain’t ‘in charge’ or likely to be as no keys, an they way too pasted too find em even with a full weekly rest ahead [emoji28]

Or maybe even just sat around socialising with each other (as WE all did once, having a few quiet drinks,.and a good laugh) …instead of pulling up in a lay by, pulling in yer mirrors, drawing yer curtains, and being an anti social Billy Nomates type of ■■■■.

Don’t believe the hype, the populist opinions on here, and all the b/s.from those who do their 100 mile radius days, and know nowt else or no better.

[benjie83]

robroy:

Benjie83:
So the EE/EU lads sat outside their cabs on deck chairs avin a few in the laybs, bbqs toasting, surrounded by the flora/forna of those lovely glistening bottles hanging int trees, have the right idea then?

Keys are probably stashed in a Bush, an thus they can’t be done as they ain’t ‘in charge’ or likely to be as no keys, an they way too pasted too find em even with a full weekly rest ahead [emoji28]

Or maybe even just sat around socialising with each other (as WE all did once, having a few quiet drinks,.and a good laugh) …instead of pulling up in a lay by, pulling in yer mirrors, drawing yer curtains, and being an anti social Billy Nomates type of [zb].

Don’t believe the hype, the populist opinions on here, and all the b/s.from those who do their 100 mile radius days, and know nowt else or no better.

I’m with you on that 95% to be honest.

I think that’s what’s one of best bits of tramping, you’ve the option to either socialise or not… Gestapo agendas depending [emoji28]

The issue I see is not many ‘want’ to interact nowadays, couple with covid, and the clock battering by the aforementioned and it’ll just get worse.

As I’ve said on here many a time, I grew up seeing comradeship that was to me at least, what separated drivers from the screwing types and made me wanna drive, but maybe its coz my upbringing was within an OD world an not the 9-5?

I’ve still got a model scania given to me at Dover when I was 6yr old…(30+yr ago now!! )…by a post kogeko driver my dad struck up with in the lanes while he helped him sort his frosty box if I remember right.

He would not take a penny off the chap, yet once the guy was done he went into his cab and rummaged two of these out, one for me an one for me youngest brother as he would not let me old man go un thanked, an that’s what it’s about to me, kinship.

Fact they then got ratted on the freighter whilst we slept like the dead five floors below was irrelevant.
No concerns then about pedos, somali pirates, going down with violins playing, telling tales on each other for doing so, and all the other bs lifes now full of, so it’s no wonder a lot of drivers don’t wanna interact, as who knows what sock puppets gonna pop up… [emoji849][emoji23]

Alas, I still stand by my Carling comment.
Doze is not doing stobbs image no favours drinking that, he’s giving off the babycham vibe with that pish ffs.
if he’d turned it into a shandy I’d let him have some redemption as that’s all its fit for, and not bad for it either if I’m honest [emoji28]

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[robthedog]

dozy:
It was on offer ( or maybe it’s always cheap ) , which is understandable as it’s rank , how anyone can drink this instead of a can of cider is beyond me , gave other 2 cans to pole who seemed very happy with it , easily pleased !!

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