Carryfast:
The issue of loads of Orientals and Asians over populating themselves and all wanting a car and a centrally heated house is another matter and that’s more likely to end up in a concrete jungle and massive traffic jams and unbreathable air in those places.In which case tough that’s their problem not ours assuming that we finally sort out our foreign and immigration policies.
You live and learn. Polluted air is subject to immigration control. 
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
Blimey Harry I never thought you believed or supported the raving global warming and oil running out hysteria.
Why is it “raving” to say that we are burning oil hundreds of times faster than it took to create it? We are, aren’t we?
What we’re ‘actually’ doing is burning super tanker loads of oil over the course of years out of oceans of oil formed over who knows how many years.Trust me the Chinese etc will be choking on their own exhaust fumes from their coal fired economic growth and would have turned their country into an uninhabitable concrete jungle long before us or them have even managed to make a dent in the amounts of oil and coal in the ground or produced enough CO2 in the atmosphere to make the slightest difference to the global temperatures.
Which probably explains why the aviation transport industry is planning for unlimited growth long into the future while you’re worrying about burning a few gallons of diesel.
I’ll try to explain fossil fuel depletion in very simple terms.
In your kitchen, there is a cupboard. It contains 1,000 cans of baked beans. Every day you open a can of baked beans and have beans on toast. Once a month you buy a can of baked beans and put it in the cupboard.
Can you see where this is going?
No Harry you are wrong, the earth is actually one massive never ending lump of coal
Harry Monk:
In your kitchen, there is a cupboard. It contains 1,000 cans of baked beans.
How big is this [zb]ing cupboard?
Using the baked beans analogy, I think what Carryfast is trying to say is that there are a million cans of baked beans in the cupboard and although we’re eating them quicker than we’re buying them, they’re still going to last for a while yet.
I would also like to add that there could be another ten million cans right at the back of the cupboard that we can’t get to yet. We will only be able to get those cans out once our arms have grown a bit longer and we can reach them.
Harry Monk:
The simple fact is that trucks use considerably less fossil fuel at 56 mph compared to 66 mph, and fossil fuel is a finite resource, we already burn every day what took hundreds of thousands of years to create and that just can’t carry on indefinitely. Obviously.For centuries we lived primitive lives in huts, with only the occasional fire to keep warm and maybe a candle to see by. Now there are billions of cars all over the planet, superheated houses and plastic tat being churned out in Chinese factories by the container-load.
Surely only a fool would not be able to see where this is leading to? It always makes me laugh when I see Conor’s signature about global warming being a massive lie, a typical example of a simpleton thinking that our planet was formed on the day that he was born. I have to say that Carryfast shows the same limited intelligence and short-sightedness.
Pretty sure by the time the last barrel of oil is pumped we will be driving vehicles powered by moon gas or something equally alien to us currently…
Harry Monk:
I’ll try to explain fossil fuel depletion in very simple terms.In your kitchen, there is a cupboard. It contains 1,000 cans of baked beans. Every day you open a can of baked beans and have beans on toast. Once a month you buy a can of baked beans and put it in the cupboard.
Can you see where this is going?
Er no.In this case it’s more like every day I take a bucketful of water out of the Atlantic ocean although in this case it’s actually petrol/diesel/kerosene/coal/gas and I burn it.It doesn’t really matter wether it’s ever going to rain ( petrol/diesel/kerosene/coal/gas ) again or not because there’s enough there to last my lifetime and everyone else’s lifetime for the forseeable future.
The only problem is that some places like China have much too many people to all be able to burn it without the exhaust fumes making them cough and/or suffocate that’s in addition to having turned their country into a concrete jungle which can no longer feed them and where they no longer want to live anyway.So the raving greens are right in some ways but not in others.It’s just that in general they let hysteria override objectivety.Especially concerning the issue of CO2 caused by burning fossil fuel supposedly being enough to make the slightest difference to global temperatures.
Although no surprise when that argument is shown to be the bs it really is they then fall back on the other typical argument that fossil fuels are running out anyway.In which case they wouldn’t need to worry about the CO2 issue and we won’t need to worry about loads of airport expansion being built in the south east. 
And it’s no surprise that no surprise is unsurprisingly one of Carryfasts favourite phrases. I think Carryfast writes songs like Bowie did in the 70s, just all his random phrases stuck to a fridge and jumbled around for each new post.
When discussions took place regarding speed limiters, The speed limits for HGVs in Europe varied from 80kph to 100kph, The UK being 96. The problem on the table at the time was coaches. They all agreed that coaches and HGVs shouldn’t be set at the same limited speed for safety reasons.
They didn’t decide on 90kph/56mph, They decided on a limited speed of 52mph with a tolerance up to 56mph.
Some simple climatology for you Carryfast.
The U.K. has a mild climate for its latitude due to the warming effect of the Gulf Stream ocean current.
Global warming is melting Arctic ice caps.
This produces an inrush of colder freshwater into the North Atlantic, affecting the ocean currents.
Loss of the Gulf Stream would lower the temperature in the U.K.
And sometimes the wind just blows from the East and makes it cold.
Just a poiont of order
Britain has weather
the Rest of the World has climate
switchlogic:
Trukkertone:
and the reason why Stena Line don’t use the HSS now…
them jet engines were just a wee bit thirsty.They still use it from Holyhead, all be it seasonally. Brought it back into service early this year after the Finnarrow took a stabiliser off. I’ve noticed also no matter how early the ferry leaves it’ll never be at its destination early like it used to be. In the 16 years I’ve been driving ferries have slowed down a lot.
What happened to the volvo? 
starfighter:
Some simple climatology for you Carryfast.The U.K. has a mild climate for its latitude due to the warming effect of the Gulf Stream ocean current.
Global warming is melting Arctic ice caps.
This produces an inrush of colder freshwater into the North Atlantic, affecting the ocean currents.
Loss of the Gulf Stream would lower the temperature in the U.K.
And sometimes the wind just blows from the East and makes it cold.
Climate change or just mother nature? IMO the latter
lilysgranpa:
switchlogic:
Trukkertone:
and the reason why Stena Line don’t use the HSS now…
them jet engines were just a wee bit thirsty.They still use it from Holyhead, all be it seasonally. Brought it back into service early this year after the Finnarrow took a stabiliser off. I’ve noticed also no matter how early the ferry leaves it’ll never be at its destination early like it used to be. In the 16 years I’ve been driving ferries have slowed down a lot.
What happened to the volvo?
my weekend job, driving the HSS, ssshhh, don’t tell VOSA
Carryfast:
‘…The … government frequently us[e] opt outs when it suits … shows that you’re wrong…’
I wrote ‘…diktats…’ as distinct from options which permit ‘…opt-outs…’
However, 70% of diktats have undemocratically become imposed laws: How is that ‘…wrong…’ 
[Perhaps appreciate that the devil lies in the over-complex administrative detail (see the Lisbon Treaty) - which many dismiss as this nation sleeps: Meanwhile, former & often unelected communists (who now show-boat as liberalists) are undemocratically federalising the Former UK ]
Carryfast:
‘…So from … ‘this’ issue … exactly what would have changed and what would be the difference under UKIP’s ( or your ) ideas…’
You ask for ‘…Exactly…’? So, not asking for much then
For starters, the UK would not be giving £53 million pounds per day to fund, eg:
1 Brussels enacted Bulgarian railway construction 
2 Decorative fountains in Spanish shopping centres
3 Financial migrants to plunder British jobs & swathes of the social fabric in, eg. Lincolnshire 
4 The UK (to include this industry) to brace for a major influx of imminent Bulgo-Rumaninian Caravan Utilising Nomadic Travellers 
Harry Monk:
‘… Carryfast shows … limited intelligence and short-sightedness…’
Happy Keith:
Caravan Utilising Nomadic Travellers
Rarely agree with anything you say, well when I can understand it with my feeble brain, but I have to admit that is hilarious
switchlogic:
‘…Rarely agree with anything you say, well when I can understand it …’
Ooh, I’ll make hay & have a little try for simplicity with this:
Let’s democratically consider that, since we’re an island of UK fruitcakes & odd-balls, it’s not unreasonable for us to fully empower UK politicians - in liaison with:
1 UK hauliers
2 UK Plod
3 UK Environmental & Energy ‘experts’
4 UK unions
5 UK Emergency Services, etc
To legislate what speed UK wagons should be limited to on UK roads
[Dons tin hat for slippery criticism from EU federalist appeasers]
Happy Keith:
switchlogic:
‘…Rarely agree with anything you say, well when I can understand it …’Ooh, I’ll make hay & have a little try for simplicity with this:
1 UK hauliers
2 UK Plod
3 UK Environmental & Energy ‘experts’
4 UK unions
5 UK Emergency Services, etcTo legislate what speed UK wagons should be limited to on UK roads
[Dons tin hat for slippery criticism from EU federalist appeasers]
Very occasionally you should just lighten up and say ‘ha ha, thanks’ instead of launching into another unwanted diatribe. I know what you stand for, I didn’t need a reminder.
In your kitchen, there is a cupboard. It contains 1,000 cans of baked beans. Every day you open a can of baked beans and have beans on toast. Once a month you buy a can of baked beans and put it in the cupboard.
Can you see where this is going?
“The problem with quotes on the internet is that many are not genuine”- Abraham Lincoln.
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So Harry, why don t we run the trucks on baked beans, i mean, they do produce gas dont they, and it would also feed the drivers, so killing 2 birds with 1 stone…
I believe that there has already been invented a much cheaper alternative fuel to what we are using now, but it has been bought, and stored or destroyed, if you see how much is invested in the present fuel situation, plus the amount it employs, someone ( up there ) wont let it happen until present resources are used up, and the arab world ceases to exist. Someone invented the motor car to run on Petrol ( after steam ), not realising that it may run out, trucks began running on diesel instead of petrol,because of costs, so then we got a gas running vehicle, now we got the electric vehicle, so what is next. I know that a submarine can run forever on nuclear power, so can that be transferred to a road going vehicle, If the truck is the backbone of the world we live in, and we cannot do without it, why is no one trying to find an alternative to running it in a much cheaper way, you know it makes sense, but i guess that its because of the companies, and investors, in the oil industry that stops us from progressing.