Which Union???

Wheel Nut:

No. If the cabin crew win, the airline will go under and everyone will be out of a job. So, if they lose, they lose, and if they win, they still lose. Only, if they win, we all lose, because a nation with no national airline is like a nation with no national anthem. Even Ethiopia has one.

Forget about the scribe, read the message,

British Airways becomes Lufthansa Airways or Air Uganda as happened with the Rail Network and Schenker

I was told that Virgin Atlantic wants to become the national carrier - Id go with that!!!
As to the railways - EWS (itself was Canadian owned) has become DB Schenker… :wink:

DAF95XF:

Wheel Nut:

No. If the cabin crew win, the airline will go under and everyone will be out of a job. So, if they lose, they lose, and if they win, they still lose. Only, if they win, we all lose, because a nation with no national airline is like a nation with no national anthem. Even Ethiopia has one.

Forget about the scribe, read the message,

British Airways becomes Lufthansa Airways or Air Uganda as happened with the Rail Network and Schenker

I was told that Virgin Atlantic wants to become the national carrier - Id go with that!!!
As to the railways - EWS (itself was Canadian owned) has become DB Schenker… :wink:

How can you have Virgin flying the flag for Britain when every single person has been shafted :laughing:

Anyone know of the loyalties that the seemingly sound URTU have before I ring 'em?

urtu.com/who_we_are

URTU is also a totally independent union and is not affiliated to any political party.

ROG:

Anyone know of the loyalties that the seemingly sound URTU have before I ring 'em?

urtu.com/who_we_are

URTU is also a totally independent union and is not affiliated to any political party.

Cheers, all - I’ve initiated the process of joining them.

Wheel Nut:

No. If the cabin crew win, the airline will go under and everyone will be out of a job. So, if they lose, they lose, and if they win, they still lose. Only, if they win, we all lose, because a nation with no national airline is like a nation with no national anthem. Even Ethiopia has one.

Forget about the scribe, read the message,

British Airways becomes Lufthansa Airways or Air Uganda as happened with the Rail Network and Schenker

His views are simplistic ■■■■■■■■ to say the least!

If you don’t stand up to the gaffers then your pay and conditions are steadily eroded until what was once a decent job with decent pay ends up being on a par with burger flippers. This industry of ours is a perfect example of that and you’re old enough to know that. :wink:

44 Tonne Ton:
‘…His views are simplistic ■■■■■■■■ to say the least!..’

A fair point. He writes clueless nonsense about everyone that isn’t him and Wossy say’s he has a face like ‘…a donkey’s testicles…’ so that’s him pigeon holed nicely - though to be fair I’d tiddle on him if he was on fire.

Wolfie Smith returns. - Foxie :stuck_out_tongue:

JISL to ESL:
‘Unite has 140,000 members involved directly and indirectly with the road haulage industry,’

They claim a total membership of 2,000,000.

‘If they are so good why are drivers so poorly treated in conditions and wages,’

Go figure! Put the votes of e.g. 100 factory monkeys against those of 10 drivers, who’s gonna win?

T & G etc. is too big to properly look after the interests of a splintered, minority group like drivers.

‘I would join any union that was prepared to fight for this industry,’

Correction, fight for the rights of drivers, RHA and FTA are “supposed” to look after the industry.

‘Unite are backing 80% of 9200 cabin crew to bring down British Airways. You are paying for that!’

Only if you have agreed to pay the political levy? URTU is NOT affiliated to any political party.

Go look at the URTU website! Then join!

What good has the URTU done for this industry? ive not seen any in all the years i have been in it. “industry not union”

ajdavis64:
t good has the URTU done for this industry? ive not seen any in all the years i have been in it. “industry not union”

If you want any Union to deal with National Industry issues then the law needs to be changed so it does not restrict them - that is a Government thing and not a Union one.

URTU has done much for it’s members on personal issues which, under the current legal constraints, is all it can do.

If anyone wants Unions to be able to have teeth on National issues for this or any other industry then vote for a Government that will change the law.

"What good has the URTU done for this industry? ive not seen any in all the years i have been in it. “industry not union”

Don’t quite understand your point. It’s not up to URTU to “do anything” for the industry, their role is to represent members in discussions with employers, “the industry”. Whilst unions may be emasculated at national level, at the local level they can make a difference IF the membership support them.

Anyway, I’ve forwarded the gist of this thread to my URTU rep. He’s agreed to give an opinion to me which I will post in due course.

JISL to ESL:
"What good has the URTU done for this industry? ive not seen any in all the years i have been in it. “industry not union”

Don’t quite understand your point. It’s not up to URTU to “do anything” for the industry, their role is to represent members in discussions with employers, “the industry”. Whilst unions may be emasculated at national level, at the local level they can make a difference IF the membership support them.

Anyway, I’ve forwarded the gist of this thread to my URTU rep. He’s agreed to give an opinion to me which I will post in due course.

OK so my interpritation to “industry” seems to be slighty different to yours, i mean it from a drivers point of view.
My point being, why are drivers still on doing upto 80 hrs a week on a very bad hourly rate, WTD, when it was first proposed about 15 years ago, was supposed to be a max week of 48hrs, thats why alot of big firms started 4 on 4 off shifts because that was the way they thought it was gonna go, along with a big increase of hourly rate, but the big companies pushed for actual working hours and got it, hence poa and breaks not included in it, the unions should have blocked that ever happening.
Still on a POA theme do they have that in the rest of the EU?
Oh and because of that 1 thing, the screwed up WTD, is the reason why I no longer have a full time interest in this “industry”.

ajdavis64:
OK so my interpritation to “industry” seems to be slighty different to yours, i mean it from a drivers point of view.

I reckon we all mean the same - I interperet the meaning that same as you and for the same reasons that you mention.

The way I see any difference seems to be that you want the Unions to do something about it but do not seem to recognise that they cannot due to the law.

The only people who can assist you in your quest to make things better are politicians so I doubt that anything will happen in our lifetimes…

My apologies if I have misread what you are saying

I wouldnt join any union why should i fund the meglamaniacs who run them. The ba affair is a scandal the firm is skint and there staff have way better terms and conditions than the other big airlines and id think if you can help keep the firm going you would have to.

Why do posters keep bringing the unite/BA cockup into this forum? It’s a unite/BA problem and has naff all to do with driving wagons.

“why should i fund the meglamaniacs who run unions?”

I don’t think you’ll find any meglomaniacs at URTU HQ!

"… you want the Unions to do something about it but do not seem to recognise that they cannot due to the law.

Not quite true. We’re talking about drivers’ conditions, not the National Debt. Organised workers can make a difference BUT ONLY IF they stick together within the law.
You can organise and claim negotiating rights, all lawful.
“The only people who can assist you in your quest to make things better are politicians …”
You don’t need politicians to improve drivers’ conditions, it’s a local matter, way off their radar until Sainsburtles run out of pate de fois gras.

ROG:
The only people who can assist you in your quest to make things better are politicians…

The best person to make things better is yourself, not unions, politicians or anyone else. If there is something in my life or the way I live or work I don’t like I take steps to improve it and I do so without the help of anyone else. Why do people always need someone else to do something for them, take a bit of [zb]ing responsibility.

kr79:
‘…The ba affair is a scandal…’

Too right. As a taxpayer I gave them a fleet of Concordes which, later as ‘The British (privatised) Flag Carrier’ they went on to scrap rather than let Branson have them after he’d assessed a viable business model for them. Their shareholders are viscious, vindictive vipers. And whilst I’m on a roll, their slop-jockey birds are frightening, orange bags - so good riddance to them and the mincing queens masquerading as males.

I’d rather walk or stay at home :imp:

I was in the T&G for a few years,I’m not with a Union now,was thinking about joining URTU,but after second thoughts,I’m not going to bother.
I’m an agency driver,so I don’t know what,if anything they could do for me.
I only would really want a Union to represent me if I had an accident at work.
But these days with all the " NO win- No fee " merchants knocking about,I will be giving them a ring,should the worst happen.

James Bateman:
‘…I don’t know what, if anything, they could do for me…’

Yeah, leave the ‘unity’ nonsense to others until wanting something - then jump on their shirt-tails’: Here too.

It’s the preferred world of being the 21st century guppy of a social citizen where the (Labour Party approved) model of EU & British ‘Thatcher-ism’ thrives as the swanky ‘European Village’ bully’s march through British culture to destroy much of what our forefathers fought for.

Big Brother is here - and our compliant approval will be shown at the election!

Coffeeholic:

ROG:
The only people who can assist you in your quest to make things better are politicians…

The best person to make things better is yourself, not unions, politicians or anyone else. If there is something in my life or the way I live or work I don’t like I take steps to improve it and I do so without the help of anyone else. Why do people always need someone else to do something for them, take a bit of [zb]ing responsibility.

It was the formation of trade unions that improved the lot of the workers. Prior to that you’d get transported to Australia (not a bad option now) for having the temerity to ask for more money in return for your skill/labour (see Tolpuddle martyrs). It’s all very well you suggesting people help themselves but there’s hundreds of thousands of truck driving jobs and the vast majority don’t pay what that sweet little number of yours paid! So they can’t all squeeze into DHL Hatfield now can they? If there’s nowhere else to go then sometimes you have to draw a line in the sand and make your stand. As you can see on another post (Scannyfanny and Tesco)when the bosses think they can kick ya in the nuts they don’t waste any time doing so and they don’t give a monkeys what impact that has on people as long as their shareholders are happy! So when poor ordinary joes decide they’ve had enough and stand up to them the least you can do is try and understand what’s brought them to that. In my experience it takes a lot for the average man to come out on strike it’s not something they do lightly. Not everyone is as gifted as you Coffee!

Taken from “A step too far”

…with regret, i have to tell you that we have been instructed by tesco distribution that our rates of pay and charge now have to be the same as monarch personnel. we have resisted pressure to do this for some time, but it has now been forced on us. in all cases, i am afraid this means lower rates than we currently pay. in return for agreeing to this, however, we expect to get a lot more work, and regular shifts.

If anyone has the slightest doubt about the need for drivers to be in URTU, this should banish them!

Whilst we can be picked off, one by one, we got no chance of decent wages and conditions.

Tosco et al won’t be happy until all their drivers, agency included, are on the national minimum wage.