rambo19:
2 different red cars, car that got rammed was not the car joining the motorway.
It was, the hard shoulder was not being used as a live lane then so Mr Red aka Billy big nuts was trying to merge. He moved at the same time as the trucker so it seems.
rambo19:
2 different red cars, car that got rammed was not the car joining the motorway.
You’re right, the first red car you see is a Vauxhall corsa (i think) not a Honda civic, which makes me wonder as the civic was nowhere in that joining lane that the civic was in fact behind the truck and then went for the undertake once the lorry had pulled into the middle lane, you see the truck jerk a little as if he’d suddenly seen numbnuts in the civic coming up alongside him as he (the truck driver) was about to pull back into what he initially assumed should have still been an empty lane, this then made the civic driver do that overreact thing that we’ve all seen in shifting into the left slip lane to avoid the big bad truck incident and then continue the undertake manoeuvre but now it’s just about showing his displeasure at the truck driver, the rest you see for yourselves.
just my theory anyway, whether or not the rest (that we can see) is a crash for cash or not who knows, but he certainly thought it needed a bit more “convincing” once they started to pull over towards the approaching hard shoulder.
tl:dr,
civic driver is still a ■■■■.
rambo19:
2 different red cars, car that got rammed was not the car joining the motorway.
well spotted, I missed that change.
Reef:
You’re right, the first red car you see is a Vauxhall corsa (i think) not a Honda civic, which makes me wonder as the civic was nowhere in that joining lane that the civic was in fact behind the truck and then went for the undertake once the lorry had pulled into the middle lane, you see the truck jerk a little as if he’d suddenly seen numbnuts in the civic coming up alongside him as he (the truck driver) was about to pull back into what he initially assumed should have still been an empty lane, this then made the civic driver do that overreact thing that we’ve all seen in shifting into the left slip lane to avoid the big bad truck incident and then continue the undertake manoeuvre but now it’s just about showing his displeasure at the truck driver, the rest you see for yourselves.
Yep, I think that is a pretty good guess at what happened, it could explain the reason for the ‘brake check’ god knows why he should be so annoyed at the lorry driver, but then it is quite evident that he is a complete numpty undertaking there.
I wonder if the couple of minor shunts just before the hard shoulder was simply the driver doing the right thing and making sure the end of his trailer was off the live lane. leaving part of your vehicle in the live lane just after that junction could be disastrous for someone, so I would think nudging the car on would be the correct thing to do.
I had a brake test the other day on the M5, not a cash for cash job just a brainless prick job.
He pulled in front of me from lane 2 to lane 1 and braked up hard, to come off at the junction, luckily there was nothing more alongside me so I pulled into lane 2.
Not a fan of the blasting horns so I just held my headlights on, he saw me in his side mirror, and the window came down, so I thought… Ah well, a hands up wave coming here to say ‘‘sorry mate’’
Not a chance, instead a single finger followed by a coffee shaker 
so he must have thought it appropriate to say ■■■■ off you w… for me not writing off his van and saving his life…what a ■■■■ ■■■■■■ 
Winseer:
peterm:
Out here, if you call an ambulance because of personal injury, the cops have to attend. Just claim whiplash where you had to brake so hard.Wot about if you’ve got a stack of cakes in back, and now it’s a big creamy mess?
“Criminal Damage”
or
“I’ve shot my load officer”.
Funny how that made me think of Dipper Dave.
One of these on the rear of the vehicle could help cut the amount of scammers chancing there arm and possibly the brain dead.
On another point I don’t see the need as a professional driver to react to other road users actions, just stay calm and carry on.
Hi
For my sins I used to work in the insurance industry before recently starting to drive for a living.
If anyone sees any behaviour on the road that looks like an attempt to stage an accident the best thing to do once it’s safe is to contact the Insurance Fraud Bureau’s cheat line on 0800 442 0421 or online at insurancefraudbureau.org/cheatline/.
They gather information about events like this and can link into almost all insurers records on claims and policies.
This gives this best chance of catching the idiots who put lives at risk trying and make fraudulent claims. They often try it on lots of times before getting ‘lucky’ and causing the crash. As we are always on the road we could help to make life a little difficult for frausters if we report the near misses.
If you are in the position of hitting a car and you suspect it’s a scam then try and get photos at the scene, including inside the car to show how many people are in it, gets names of everyone involved, keep any video and make sure your insurer is told about your suspicions. You could also try to call the police from the scene but if no one is injured they may not be too helpful. The injury always comes on the next day!
I’m afraid withholding insurance info at the scene isn’t an option from a legal point of view.
Apologies for such a long boring first post but I hope it’s helpful.
The most infuriating thing for me, is the attitudes of people when they’re in the wrong. I’ve had three this week. Joining the M11 from the north circ, if you’re travelling towards ilford you join the motorway in lane 3. I’m doing 53 in a 50 joining, move left as I now can’t stay in lane 3, bmw 5 series doing at least 90, lights me up, even though he’s nowhere near, just inconvenienced that he’s had to slow to 70 before changing lanes, then gives me the bird as he comes past.
Then yesterday, woman day dreaming at the lights on the purfleet by pass, after 5 seconds I hit the horn, she stalls it, then abuses me out the window
The worst was an fps distribution van, pulls in front of me on the A12, then does an emergency stop to get in the lay by 100 yards away. I’m not a fan of blasting the horn, but sometimes you do it to try and get across to someone that their actions could kill them. Out comes the default middle finger
If you’ve took the ■■■■, you normally hang your head in shame, but the actions of the perpetrators these days, makes you think they truly believe their driving is ok. Only got to look at Trucker Jays attitude I guess. It’s like kicking a hornets nest I suppose. You hear them buzz and you get out of there thinking you’ve had a result. These idiots are kicking it and shouting come on then 
OVLOV JAY:
The most infuriating thing for me, is the attitudes of people when they’re in the wrong. I’ve had three this week. Joining the M11 from the north circ, if you’re travelling towards ilford you join the motorway in lane 3. I’m doing 53 in a 50 joining, move left as I now can’t stay in lane 3, bmw 5 series doing at least 90, lights me up, even though he’s nowhere near, just inconvenienced that he’s had to slow to 70 before changing lanes, then gives me the bird as he comes past.Then yesterday, woman day dreaming at the lights on the purfleet by pass, after 5 seconds I hit the horn, she stalls it, then abuses me out the window
The worst was an fps distribution van, pulls in front of me on the A12, then does an emergency stop to get in the lay by 100 yards away. I’m not a fan of blasting the horn, but sometimes you do it to try and get across to someone that their actions could kill them. Out comes the default middle finger
If you’ve took the ■■■■, you normally hang your head in shame, but the actions of the perpetrators these days, makes you think they truly believe their driving is ok. Only got to look at Trucker Jays attitude I guess. It’s like kicking a hornets nest I suppose. You hear them buzz and you get out of there thinking you’ve had a result. These idiots are kicking it and shouting come on then
People change behind the wheel. My mate is placid but you put him in a car and he turns into a monster. ■■■■■■ and Jeffing all the time, riding the arse of the car in front. Dangerous overtakes etc. I refuse to be in the same car as him now. Either I drive or I’ll meet him there. Since this thread and a few others, I’ve ordered a dash cam, only problem is that its somehow in Middleton instead of Lincoln… Someone at the DPD hub is not paying attention.
Mullens:
Looks like this trucker could of stopped
i’m inclined to agree with you mate. No point discussing what he was carrying coz from what I can see of that video he didn’t brake much, if at all.
Lets be clear. The car driver is a ■■■■ and he is 100% at fault for the collisions on the hard shoulder as the HGV had to keep going to get his vehicle fully out the way of the inside lane and slowing down on the main carriageway would be a retarded idea risking an even worse collision. The car should’ve coasted to a stop, preferably down the road away from the junction. ■■■■■■■■ of the highest order.
But, I really do see a pattern emerging here and I believe dash cams are going to lead to a prevalence of these kinds of low impact collisions where drivers simply run into the back of the vehicle in front in the belief their dash cam will get them off with it.
The trucker braked to much if you ask me he should of shunted the dirty rat into the middle of next year full stop!!
Bigpaul:
Hi
For my sins I used to work in the insurance industry before recently starting to drive for a living.If anyone sees any behaviour on the road that looks like an attempt to stage an accident the best thing to do once it’s safe is to contact the Insurance Fraud Bureau’s cheat line on 0800 442 0421 or online at insurancefraudbureau.org/cheatline/.
They gather information about events like this and can link into almost all insurers records on claims and policies.This gives this best chance of catching the idiots who put lives at risk trying and make fraudulent claims. They often try it on lots of times before getting ‘lucky’ and causing the crash. As we are always on the road we could help to make life a little difficult for frausters if we report the near misses.
If you are in the position of hitting a car and you suspect it’s a scam then try and get photos at the scene, including inside the car to show how many people are in it, gets names of everyone involved, keep any video and make sure your insurer is told about your suspicions. You could also try to call the police from the scene but if no one is injured they may not be too helpful. The injury always comes on the next day!
I’m afraid withholding insurance info at the scene isn’t an option from a legal point of view.
Apologies for such a long boring first post but I hope it’s helpful.
The fear I would have is being pressed for “your” half of the insurance detail exchange - 'cos the guy is in a hurry to get away after you’ve rear-ended him.
Once he leaves the scene - the entire accident becomes your fault though, because that’s how I always understand “rear end” collisions to be issued of blame… 
SO… You try and stall them - like I did when rear ended by a speeding BMW in 2014… I’d already called the police, so I was adamant he wasn’t going anywhere with booze on his breath and all. 
He managed to start the car and go though. BUT that means he’s the one committing the offences, rather than me “getting in his way” or making any other kind of alleged move that he might have argued via insurers that it should be a “knock for knock” claim. I’d sooner give someone both my kidneys than give them knock-for-knock under ANY circumstances! 
As you might be robbed how about not stopping and reporting the problem to the police, and arranging to meet them at a safe place to show them your dashcam recordings.
Winseer:
Bigpaul:
Hi
For my sins I used to work in the insurance industry before recently starting to drive for a living.If anyone sees any behaviour on the road that looks like an attempt to stage an accident the best thing to do once it’s safe is to contact the Insurance Fraud Bureau’s cheat line on 0800 442 0421 or online at insurancefraudbureau.org/cheatline/.
They gather information about events like this and can link into almost all insurers records on claims and policies.This gives this best chance of catching the idiots who put lives at risk trying and make fraudulent claims. They often try it on lots of times before getting ‘lucky’ and causing the crash. As we are always on the road we could help to make life a little difficult for frausters if we report the near misses.
If you are in the position of hitting a car and you suspect it’s a scam then try and get photos at the scene, including inside the car to show how many people are in it, gets names of everyone involved, keep any video and make sure your insurer is told about your suspicions. You could also try to call the police from the scene but if no one is injured they may not be too helpful. The injury always comes on the next day!
I’m afraid withholding insurance info at the scene isn’t an option from a legal point of view.
Apologies for such a long boring first post but I hope it’s helpful.
The fear I would have is being pressed for “your” half of the insurance detail exchange - 'cos the guy is in a hurry to get away after you’ve rear-ended him.
Once he leaves the scene - the entire accident becomes your fault though, because that’s how I always understand “rear end” collisions to be issued of blame…
SO… You try and stall them - like I did when rear ended by a speeding BMW in 2014… I’d already called the police, so I was adamant he wasn’t going anywhere with booze on his breath and all.
He managed to start the car and go though. BUT that means he’s the one committing the offences, rather than me “getting in his way” or making any other kind of alleged move that he might have argued via insurers that it should be a “knock for knock” claim. I’d sooner give someone both my kidneys than give them knock-for-knock under ANY circumstances!
Rear end hits always were a fault for the guy behind but with the rise in staged accidents insurance companies do look into it more than they used to if you can give them something to work with, dash cam etc. It is still against you but not automatically at fault the way you used to be.
Regards not giving you their details if they leave call the police saying have left the scene and not given details (criminal offence) but also tell the police your neck/back hurts (it is then logged as your injured, they might doubt it in a lorry but blame it on tension if they push it). Means left the scene with injured parties. Goes against them even more
In the incident I mentioned - the police turned up about ten minutes after the other guy had sped away.
He was impressed by the fact that I wasn’t “trying it on with Whiplash” when I gave him my statement.
Still got breathalyzed though - but I accept that as standard procedure.
I think I said something like “If that reading is anything above 0.0 - then I’m going to have to stop eating mints!”…
By the time they caught up with this guy two days hence - he could no longer be charged with DD - but he did get busted for “leaving the scene”, “driving a vehicle in an unroadworthy condition” and “failure to provide insurance details” if memory serves. The latter one complemented it because the guy had initially stopped, but then decided not to hang about when his passenger unexpectedly managed to start the car whilst the driver was staggering to me… He offered me £2000 in non-existent cash to “let it go”.
Yeh right! Wasn’t even tempted!
Worst were his insurers who took a year to make me an offer!
kcrussell25:
Rear end hits always were a fault for the guy behind
Not exactly.If someone pulls out of a junction or changes lanes into the path of an approaching vehicle that isn’t able to avoid a resulting collision how is that the fault of the vehicle behind.
kcrussell25:
Rear end hits always were a fault for the guy behind
Most of the time but not always.
Maoster had a rear end collision not long ago where a car pulled out of a junction and he gave it a ram up the arse of Boy george proportions.
The-Snowman:
kcrussell25:
Rear end hits always were a fault for the guy behindMost of the time but not always.
Maoster had a rear end collision not long ago where a car pulled out of a junction and he gave it a ram up the arse of Boy george proportions.
Not Jimmy Somerville proportions?
It’s made the Daily Mail Online now, and surprisingly they are not saying the HGV driver is a terrorist, ■■■■■■, or Chris Evans fan, in fact they seem to have cast him in rather a good light!
dailymail.co.uk/news/article … times.html
Well done DM!
Perfect execution by the trucker. Taught a clown a lesson without looking like a villain. Exactly how it should be done 
