As the title - when did they first come in?
Jenson Button:
As the title - when did they first come in?
when you won the F1, but i hear they will scrap it if you win the F1 again, but that will be a long wait.
I believe it was 1970.
- The Spy in the Cab.
One of the first dictats from what was then The EEC
76 for international work
81 for national
years ok international included traction from the docks
I started HGV driving in 1977 and for the 1st few companies I worked for we were still using Logbooks.
When I joined Frank Tucker Haulage they started using Tachco’s 12 months before they needed too, so I think it was about 1980 or 81.
The truth is I just can’t remember something to do with age I think.
hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm … achographs
needs to be waded thruogh
hitch:
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1979/dec/19/tachographsneeds to be waded thruogh
The EU legislation referred to is Regulation 1463/70, the antecedent to the much-amended Regulation 3821/85 that lies at the heart of modern tachograph law.
It’s no surprise that the UK lost in the European Court of Justice, as mentioned in that Hansard extract - there is no national discretion over the implementation of EU Regulations. They are automatically law in every Member State.
The UK argued they should be allowed to use a limited-period derogation that was aimed at earlier non-EU tachographs, such as those used in Germany, rather than log books. Unsurprisingly that case failed.
What! they’re compulsary, 
Oh [zb]!!! 
Theres an old tacho at the above link, (cant post the picture keeps saying not allowed) looks like a 1930s style although theres not much info.
toowise:
Theres an old tacho at the above link, (cant post the picture keeps saying not allowed)
There’s ways and means around everything. 
Very nice, Art Deco I would say, probably dates from around 1935?
Thanks H (again 
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Just noticed the mileage…not bad for an old '30s or '40s truck
I can remember as a kid, seeing a type of tacho that bolted on to the back of the cab. I also remember, cos the old man drove for yiddle davis, seeing a hot shovel put against the back of the cab to melt the wax.
IIRC, the compulsory fitting of tachographs was commenced in 1980.
I’d been on 7.5t work from 1976, and I was defo on a log book, including for a trip to ROI in 1977.
On that rip, I was pulled for a roadside check by the Garda, and they checked my log-book. Nothing was mentioned about me using a log-book, so I guess it was ok.
I took my HGV 1 in Dec 1979 and secured a job with Birkenhead Co-Op in 1980.
At the time, we had a couple of “S” reg trucks that didn’t have tachographs, but when the new “T” plate came out in Aug '80, the new trucks had tachos already fitted.
In Sept '80, the “S” reg trucks had to go to a tacho centre to be retro-fitted with a new tacho.
IN Oct '80, the “R” reg trucks had to go to a tacho centre to be retro-fitted with a new tacho, and the retro-fitment programme continued in the same pattern until we got to a stage when it was ‘all the rest by X date.’
As I remember, we didn’t have to actually use the tacho for 2-3 years, because we were allowed to continue with log-books during a phasing-in period. If we used a log book, there was a (I think) 450km distance limit per shift.
This isn’t MMTM, I was there at the time, but time plays strange tricks on the memory, so please feel free to correct me.
djw:
hitch:
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1979/dec/19/tachographsneeds to be waded thruogh
The EU legislation referred to is Regulation 1463/70, the antecedent to the much-amended Regulation 3821/85 that lies at the heart of modern tachograph law.
Hi djw,
It seems that I might have found a Regulation that pre-dates the Regulation already mentioned…
Regulation No. (EEC) 543/69 [L77/49]
It looks like an early version of Drivers’ Hours law to me, but
When I was driving for Clearways of Nottingham, they were running Leyland Clydesdales and Boxers on the Glow-worm contract out of Belper. Pre-75 trucks had the tacho retro-fitted on top of the dash, 76-onwards had the redesigned console fitted.
IIRC there were three distinct types of charts as well; Lucas (pear-shaped centre hole) Smiths (as per Lucas but with an extra little nick) and Veeder-Root which had three holes. It was a bloody nuisance for relief drivers as you were never sure which lorry had which chart so you had to carry a few of each, although Smiths would fit in Lucas head at a pinch.
Veeder-Root with the 3 holes (as fitted to Volvo F10/12) were renowned for being chewed up by the pins they fit into,quite easy to fit them the wrong way round “accidently”.
Especially in France on a Friday night …apparantly