When driver refuses to give details

So this happened to me today.
Minding my own business in slow moving traffic on Marylebone Road when bang, someone takes out my off side mirror. Right lane had cleared a bit and this scrote floored it trying to get away. So then my lane clears and I caught up with him, pulled across his lane to block him and went to request his details.
His reaction was did I? Oh take the number off side of the van.
Said no I want him to pull over and give proper details. My mirror was swinging on its wires. So he agreed reluctantly. I decided to take a quick pic before I unblocked him, just in case.
Started to pull away and unblock him and as soon as he got the chance he floored it and bang, took the mirror out again!
Disappeared into the sunset.
Office has rung his office who apparently now dispute that he refused to give details.

Thing that pees me off most is I didn’t have my new dash cam on. D’oh. But I did get a pic of him.

Pulled over to call the office but had half a mind to call the police.

Mirror popped back together and no harm done (his was worse I think) but don’t want this nerk to get away with leaving scene etc.

Call the police NOW.

Failing to leave the scene of an accident, he obviously had something to hide. The fact he done it twice and knew fine well suggests this.

Call them NOW because for all you know he could have been on drugs/drink and time is of the essence.

Call them NOW.

You have had an incident that has involved damage , and you have not exchanged details -
Your requirement is to report it to the Police within 24 hrs
.
Something to hide or not, the fact you physically & deliberately blocked the other drivers route suggests you detained him against his free will & by force,
this will be his defence - because he felt threatened and scared :open_mouth: and was willing to report as soon as safe to do so within 24hrs.
.
I suggest you do the same matey and smartish.
Report to the Police station in person or by phone and give details and obtain a reference incident number. NOW … :arrow_right: :exclamation:


Section 170 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 requires drivers/ riders to report to a police officer or police station that they have been involved in an accident involving in any of the following;
any personal injury
damage only, where the other driver/ rider did not stop
damage only, where names and addresses were not exchanged with the other driver/ rider/ cyclist and any other owner of property damaged (even if the other driver stopped)
.
Reportable road traffic collisions have to be reported as soon as is reasonably practicable and in any case, within twenty-four hours.
.
For someone who is supposedly classed as a competent professional driver who has acquired DCPC , I am shocked that you are asking and unaware of the necessary requirements . :open_mouth:

stagedriver:
Failing to leave the scene of an accident.

:open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: sorry

chaversdad:

stagedriver:
Failing to leave the scene of an accident.

:open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: sorry

:smiley:

Noticed that.

Yup spot on. Called non emergency police no. when got to my next drop. Took all the details and then told me to err… report it to the police. Thought I was but no, must go on their website or into a station.

Update from office is that yep, he was scared and intimidated which was why he left… reckon that might be what his TM is telling him. And probably to report it within 24.

Would have been better to say nothing to his lot and just report it. That way he would have no doubt done nothing and kept quiet about it.

Looooo:
So this happened to me today.
Minding my own business in slow moving traffic on Marylebone Road when bang, someone takes out my off side mirror. Right lane had cleared a bit and this scrote floored it trying to get away. So then my lane clears and I caught up with him, pulled across his lane to block him and went to request his details.
His reaction was did I? Oh take the number off side of the van.
Said no I want him to pull over and give proper details. My mirror was swinging on its wires. So he agreed reluctantly. I decided to take a quick pic before I unblocked him, just in case.
Started to pull away and unblock him and as soon as he got the chance he floored it and bang, took the mirror out again!
Disappeared into the sunset.
Office has rung his office who apparently now dispute that he refused to give details.

Thing that pees me off most is I didn’t have my new dash cam on. D’oh. But I did get a pic of him.

Pulled over to call the office but had half a mind to call the police.

Mirror popped back together and no harm done (his was worse I think) but don’t want this nerk to get away with leaving scene etc.

6 points minium and fine. Report to real poilce and get a crime ref. number. The driver didnt stop and swap details. Thats an offence and he hasnt got a leg to stand on. You got a picture. Case closed. 24 hours wont apply to this. Case closed.

Failing to Stop/Report an Accident

Definition, see Wilkinson’s 7.04.

Section 170(2) of the Road Traffic act 1988 provides that the driver of the motor vehicle must stop and, if required to do so by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address, the name and address of the owner of the vehicle and the identification marks of the vehicle. The duty to stop means to stop sufficiently long enough to exchange the particulars above: Lee v Knapp [1966] 3 All ER 961.

Section 170(3) places an obligation on the driver, if he does not give his name and address under subsection (2) above, to report the accident to a police constable or police station as soon as reasonably practicable and in any case within 24 hours. The duty to report means “as soon as reasonably practicable”: Bulman v Bennett [1974] RTR. It does not mean the driver has 24 hours within which to report the collision.

When the evidence reveals a failure to comply with both subsections (2) and (3), proceedings should be brought for both offences. The failure to stop is usually viewed as the more serious of the two.

A person who fails to comply with subsection (2) or (3) above is guilty of an offence punishable with a maximum sentence of six months’ imprisonment.

From the CPS. 24hours is a bit of a myth.

truckerjimbo:
6 points minium and fine. Report to real poilce and get a crime ref. number. The driver didnt stop and swap details. Thats an offence and he hasnt got a leg to stand on. You got a picture. Case closed. 24 hours wont apply to this. Case closed.

Sorry but your wrong there, i was the victim of a road rage incident in March which ended up with me running into the back of a car after they brake checked me 3 times, the 3rd time i skidded into her (yes her!) I stopped and got out and she nearly ran me over getting away, i phoned 999 as i thought she was ■■■■■■ , she reported it the next day within the 24hr period and claimed she was intimated by my size, insurance co found me to be at fault and she was awarded £1600 damages and i lost my no claims, the police wouldnt take any action as there was no independant witness

chaversdad:

truckerjimbo:
6 points minium and fine. Report to real poilce and get a crime ref. number. The driver didnt stop and swap details. Thats an offence and he hasnt got a leg to stand on. You got a picture. Case closed. 24 hours wont apply to this. Case closed.

Sorry but your wrong there, i was the victim of a road rage incident in March which ended up with me running into the back of a car after they brake checked me 3 times, the 3rd time i skidded into her (yes her!) I stopped and got out and she nearly ran me over getting away, i phoned 999 as i thought she was ■■■■■■ , she reported it the next day within the 24hr period and claimed she was intimated by my size, insurance co found me to be at fault and she was awarded £1600 damages and i lost my no claims, the police wouldnt take any action as there was no independant witness

truckerjimbo:

chaversdad:

truckerjimbo:
6 points minium and fine. Report to real poilce and get a crime ref. number. The driver didnt stop and swap details. Thats an offence and he hasnt got a leg to stand on. You got a picture. Case closed. 24 hours wont apply to this. Case closed.

Sorry but your wrong there, i was the victim of a road rage incident in March which ended up with me running into the back of a car after they brake checked me 3 times, the 3rd time i skidded into her (yes her!) I stopped and got out and she nearly ran me over getting away, i phoned 999 as i thought she was ■■■■■■ , she reported it the next day within the 24hr period and claimed she was intimated by my size, insurance co found me to be at fault and she was awarded £1600 damages and i lost my no claims, the police wouldnt take any action as there was no independant witness

Police action for what??

Police won’t be interested.

truckerjimbo:

truckerjimbo:

chaversdad:

truckerjimbo:
6 points minium and fine. Report to real poilce and get a crime ref. number. The driver didnt stop and swap details. Thats an offence and he hasnt got a leg to stand on. You got a picture. Case closed. 24 hours wont apply to this. Case closed.

Sorry but your wrong there, i was the victim of a road rage incident in March which ended up with me running into the back of a car after they brake checked me 3 times, the 3rd time i skidded into her (yes her!) I stopped and got out and she nearly ran me over getting away, i phoned 999 as i thought she was ■■■■■■ , she reported it the next day within the 24hr period and claimed she was intimated by my size, insurance co found me to be at fault and she was awarded £1600 damages and i lost my no claims, the police wouldnt take any action as there was no independant witness

Police action for what??

For causing an accident and leaving the scene

Looooo:

chaversdad:

stagedriver:
Failing to leave the scene of an accident.

:open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: sorry

:smiley:

Noticed that.

Yup spot on. Called non emergency police no. when got to my next drop. Took all the details and then told me to err… report it to the police. Thought I was but no, must go on their website or into a station.

Update from office is that yep, he was scared and intimidated which was why he left… reckon that might be what his TM is telling him. And probably to report it within 24.

Would have been better to say nothing to his lot and just report it. That way he would have no doubt done nothing and kept quiet about it.

So what was his excuse for driving off the first time?

Letter arrived today.

"I am writing to you in relation to the above collision.

As there is insufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction, it has been decided to take no further action in respect of this matter.

It is noted that the incident may have been captured on CCTV. Unfortunately, constraints on resources, both human and financial, mean that the Police are unable to undertake collection and viewing of CCTV in damage only cases.

I regret therefore that I am unable to take any further action at this time."

So if you smash in to someone, leg it quickly and you’ll more than likely hear no more about it, even if they got a photo of you and it was on cctv.

What a crock. So this ■■■ gets away scott free and police couldn’t give less of a toss.

Part of me is totally unsurprised, and another is shocked that this is level we have sunk to.

Unlucky, chalk it up to experience, and move on from the whole sorry affair.

Small wonder that vigilantism is increasingly the preferred response. Why bother composing such a well-worded letter to you when a much simpler note saying “■■■■ it up, citizen” would have sufficed? :imp:

Involve the police. Most perps are gambling that their victim can’t be arsed to chase it up with the police, and later via the courts…

Remember that idiot who rear-ended me a year ago?

His insurance firm told me to get a convicition to get past the “waiver” they wanted me to sign, which would have meant I had no comeback if I had done.

I refused, duly pressed charges, got the conviction, and eventually, - a grand out of the insurer. If they’d offered me half that within a week of the impact - I would have gladly taken it.

Idiots and crooks all - insurers and their best customers - the “high premium” drivers that line their pockets with premiums more than you can buy a decent second hand car for! :open_mouth:

Refusing to give details, leaving the scene of the RTC, and driving his own vehicle in an unroadworthy condition were the charges on my perp’s sheet…
He got fined just under a grand, and got 6 points - PLUS his insurance company won’t pay out for the damage to his own car, because I had to submit to police that I believed the guy was over the limit - enough for his own insurers to seize upon, and invalidate his own prior fully-comp cover with them. His car was worth £12,000. Mine? - Less than a grand.

If the perp’s yard refuses to cooperate - then a soliciter’s letter threatening legal action possibly involving a winding up order will ensue - once a conviction has been achieved vs their driver whom they breached their own duties (to the public) in protecting instead… The winding up order scares small outfits, whereas the threat of a lengthy court case with massive amounts of evidence presented by yourself (along with expense claims!) tends to scare even the big boys…

Everyone tries it on these days. No one wants to just go “Bosh. A fair settlement right away sir - here you go.”. More’s the pity. :frowning: Make 'em pay for their lack of vision. :imp:

I didn’t have to attend court, and I didn’t have to fill out much in the way of forms. It was just the damned waiting and waiting that drove me up the wall for what I figured would be an “open and shut” case in my instance. You’ve got pics. That’s good if the guy’s got form especially. If a court case ensues, you’d be surprised at how much his firm will back down - rather than risk perjuring themeslves in court by being asked awkward questions… Indeed, “Mr Bloggs Is No Longer With The Company” is the obvious knee-jerk reaction by the firm - not good if one is the idiot trying to get the firm to back you up over being got bang to rights by our hero losing a mirror here… :smiling_imp: