What's the average Wage for European work

Must add that my import work is direct so no middleman taking cut which helps

but like ex haulierr said there still alot of loads on offer dryfreifght for 1800 to 2k

tiles eg loads collections deliveries 1800 had emails this week
now add that up with export rates and doesnt add up

But only last week chatting with an od and heard it so may times before
they have paid cash for truvk this one was 30k 2 years ago
and dont add truck into their costings
so how you replacing truck in few years time ■■

il buy another from my saviong s etc

each to their own

DS2604:
Must add that my import work is direct so no middleman taking cut which helps

but like ex haulierr said there still alot of loads on offer dryfreifght for 1800 to 2k

DS2604, this work was direct for the importer who is a personal friend who has been using Spanish hauliers as he’s generally found UK firms unreliable, I also mentioned the rate he was quoted for 2 loads from UK to northern France so I know he looks for better quotes and doesn’t go offering the loads out at 3k. As I still have my ‘O’ licence and ferry accounts in place I would galdly have put 2 trucks on for him had I been able to get better rates than £800 to Barcelona “WHEN WE’VE GOT ANY”!! was the sort of reply i got, the other reply’s were “we can round trip you” £3,000 to Algiceres!! no thanks!!

It seems clear to me that ‘ex-haulier’ has got a ‘subby mentality’ and calls me a bulls#itter cos he cant get his head round someone getting offered a good rate, I was getting £2,300 ferry paid for Xmas week citrus (after a middle mans cut!!) in 1989, how does that equate to today’s costings??

It would be interesting to hear from Vasco on this rate especially given that he doesn’t send vehicles to the UK, how much would he quote to do a full weight load from Almussafes to Blackburn, or any of our Spanish based drivers on what their bosses would want?

Ross.

It’s not really about wages, but as there is a discussion going on about rates, I received this one today from a Spanish
Freight Forwarders

LOADING DATE: 11/02/11

COLLECTION PLACE: E36645 PONTEVEDRA

DELIVERIES: BRIDPORT (DT6 3EX) + DONCASTER (DN8 5JU) + PRESTON (PR5 8AR) + CRAIGAVON (BT67 0LX) + DUBLIN (IRELAND)

GOODS: ALUMINIUM BARS (CRANE LOAD)

TRAILER NEEDED: 13,6 MT TAUTLINER SLIDING ROOF

RATE: 3900 €

REgards

JJSL

JJSL:
It’s not really about wages, but as there is a discussion going on about rates, I received this one today from a Spanish
Freight Forwarders

LOADING DATE: 11/02/11

COLLECTION PLACE: E36645 PONTEVEDRA

DELIVERIES: BRIDPORT (DT6 3EX) + DONCASTER (DN8 5JU) + PRESTON (PR5 8AR) + CRAIGAVON (BT67 0LX) + DUBLIN (IRELAND)

GOODS: ALUMINIUM BARS (CRANE LOAD)

TRAILER NEEDED: 13,6 MT TAUTLINER SLIDING ROOF

RATE: 3900 €

REgards

JJSL

The deliveries are a bit ‘spread out’ and giving the Dublin drop to an Irish firm once back in your yard would make a lot of sense, unless you have vehicles going over to Dublin?

Good rate though. :smiling_imp: Eh exhaulier?

Ross.

You do come out with some cack. DS2604 says he is getting £2600 from October to April with a fridge. If he told us what rate he would get from May to September we could then get an idea what an average rate would be. Even with my “subbie mentality” i know that if there were was £3000 on offer from Valencia to the NW there would be a lot more british trucks on the job. If your mate who has found UK hauliers so unreliable is prepared to pay you ( a british haulier, all be it one without any trucks ) a premium he obviously thinks your a charity case.

Ex Haulier:
You do come out with some cack. DS2604 says he is getting £2600 from October to April with a fridge. If he told us what rate he would get from May to September we could then get an idea what an average rate would be. Even with my “subbie mentality” i know that if there were was £3000 on offer from Valencia to the NW there would be a lot more british trucks on the job. If your mate who has found UK hauliers so unreliable is prepared to pay you ( a british haulier, all be it one without any trucks ) a premium he obviously thinks your a charity case.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I wasn’t going to comment again in reply to you but you’ve tempted me.

I started doing European haulage in 1986 and in that time met some of the hardest working & decent people a person could wish to know, I also met people (& you’d normally know within seconds) that you just felt need to get a hundred miles from INSTANTLY!!. In fact, on my very first trip to Spain I met another subbie from the firm I was ‘on for’ at ‘The Dutchmans’ in Peniscola and he’s still a good friend to this day, yes, good people and 'full on “merchant bankers”!! (& I think I know which catagory you’d fit nicely into!!)

BTW, forget trying to insult me because you cant. I can only be insulted by people I have respect or at least a little regard for so keep it up :laughing: cos these attempted insults from the likes of you mean absolutely nothing. “charity case” quality!! (you clearly know nothing about me)

So exhaulier, you just go on being ‘a doubter’ with a ‘half empty glass’ because I could not care less whether you believe me or not :smiley:

Bye for now.

Ross. (another ‘former’ haulier :stuck_out_tongue: )

i was getting
£550-£650 for sweden
£600 barcelona
£650 valencia
£700 seville
£700 milan (up to 6 drops, 6 collections)
£700 hungary
£400 northern france. sometimes you could do 2 of them a week.

they are take home, after tax.

I think we have only sent about 3 trucks to the UK in the last 10 years when offered exceptional prices by companies that really were in the brown stuff.

Prices are very seasonal in Spain from November through till end of February the sky can be the limit as most of the world rushes to load cirus fruit leaving (especially this year) an extreme shortage of vehicles for other work so basically at the moment it is a case of name your own price as long as you don´t kick the a*** out of it.

Ex haulier will as nearly always deny that this is case and go off in his own little world :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Vasco. I’m disappointed in you. I thought you were one of the sensible ones. Your mixing up your fridges and tautliners.

ex haulier hows it cack

That particuler importer their produce only lasts ex spain til then maybe mid may at the most
so rate is zero rest of months as no loads as you would be aware product is seasonal

yes in summ,er we get the melons but the rates come down a bit last summer when loads thin on ground
but cus i do citrus for one of them get loads all year round
the worst rate i got in summer month was £2250 when yes alot i know were getting 1800 ish gbp

that y in summer i move around to italy /greece aswell

Spain with fridges rates are always up and down depending on demand and volumes etc
i agree that most not all general taut rates i couldnt make job pay and wouldnt do it but there is a few about (loads)

i get one ambient job once a month for a customer here aand get a good rate all year round to bring it back but i do the export every week for them anyway

At end of day each to their own i know what makes my business pay and dont need to justify to anyone else
and ross if you can get that load from your mate go for it mate and dont listen to the sceptics my only adfvice if every week use the santander crossing one way each trip to keep within your 90hrs in a fortnight

Thought this post was about wages not load pay.

DS2604:
ross if you can get that load from your mate go for it mate and dont listen to the sceptics my only adfvice if every week use the santander crossing one way each trip to keep within your 90hrs in a fortnight

The work was offered to me at the back end of 2010 & if I’d have been able to get anything like decent export work I’d be doing it now, I’ve never been one to listen to, or take advice from idiots and I think we’re in total agreement on ‘a certain’ forum member.

So for now I’ll stay retired from the haulage job, and in the mean time I’ll just have to satisfy my need for truck ownership restoring my F16 :sunglasses:

Ross.

Best thing you can do, stick to painting your F16. The other chap, getting £2250 for loading melons back, your lucky to have a customer who shifts his exports around to suit your import loads. PMSL. I’m going to stick to cutting my grass and cleaning my swimming pool while you all carry on with your flights of fancy.

Who said anything about exporter moving loads aroundf to suit my imports lol

That particuler exporter i briong their empties back about every 4 to 6 weeks or can hold off if busy on fruit as long as the export their every week not a prob

and do my own fleet do spain in summer no italy / greecve as perevious said with a biut of spanish

Laugh all you want but i know what my balance is like every month in the bank

Every post you ever put on here your having ago at people perhaps that y your an ex haulier
did you go bust cus you didnt have a clue about rates etc and what a truck costs to run these days
We can all have a big house and swimming pool if we wanted well ive got the big house but not the pool as dont want one in my uk house
oh and ive got the house in florida and one in spain called retirement investments
But then again i dont have a clue what im talking about

Lets hope that your better at transport accountancy than you are at selecting retirement investments then !.

hi,

dont really want to stick me nose into another mans arguement for fear of getting a stray cyber punch, but we are getting 3500 euro for 2 pick ups murcia and 2 drops, londonshire and midlands…

down side is can only do 3 a month, also ds, do u use an agent for the santander, if so, who, cos we are paying an illogical amount of money for it and the usual suspects cant help…

lrm

Ex Haulier:
Best thing you can do, stick to painting your F16.

I will be doing just that, as and when I can find the time in between working 3 days a week and racing my Ducati at circuits up & down the country throughout the summer.

Ex Haulier:
I’m going to stick to cutting my grass and cleaning my swimming pool while you all carry on with your flights of fancy.

“flights of fancy” mmm, the only flights i will be taking will be with my family on holiday and in my 30 year old Piper Cherrokee 140, it’s a little underpowered and slow but it’s mine and it’s paid for. I couldn’t possibly afford a swimming pool!! :laughing: :laughing:

Ross.

Ex Haulier:
Not hard to figure how they do it. You stick two of them in the cab and pay them what one british driver would cost. They are happy to be away for 6 or 8 weeks at a time. They can borrow money cheaper than we can, there depot costs are a lot less than ours, road tax, insurance etc, all cheaper. It all adds up. How do you compete, you can’t on general work. If your lucky you may find a little niche job where you can charge enough to make a go of it, but volume work, forget it. The only thing you can do is if you can’t beat them, join them. Set up a company in a low cost country.

There is one more thing I can observe in small vans industry, so I guess it might be true for big lorries as well. This is just some observation, maybe Oritinal Poster finds them useful.

When we do runs to Eastern Europe, on most occasions we don’t have any back loads and we run empty to Germany, Belgium or even England, or we take a long detour to collect in our usual collection place in Austria.

That’s because as far as I am concerned our office is using only some British speditions and Brtitish backloads markets. I had spoken with them about joining some Polish freight market website, but they said it’s not worth it as they pay too small money…

Well, I can’t see how running empty for free is better than carrying a load for small price… Every little helps, isn’t it?

And ignoring low prices won’t make people pay more, the same load will be carried by Eastern Europeans. So I think from the British point of wiev it’s win-win - not only we can earn some pennies on our way back, but also we stop competitors from earning what for them is a reasonable price

The other thing is that they are unable to cooperate with eastern european speditors, as in my company it seems that I am the only guy who speaks any foreign language. Off course most of the people in Poland in this industry will speak some foreign languages, problem is that very often it might be French, Russian, German or other, while my office speaks only English (and some of them use so hard Scottish accent, that I had to translate it once to a French girl in one of the places I was collecting from :slight_smile:).

When I speak with Polish or other “Osties” on the road, they say they almost never run empty for more than 100 kms…

I even offered my boss that if he sings up and pays for subscription to one Polish load market, I will be organizing my backloads myself by logging to the web from my mobile, but they weren’t interested.

I think this is also way when British hauliers can save money.

There is also one more thing. From my observation over last few years working in that industry in Britain, there is plenty of money wasted just because people do not pay attention to small things.

I’ve been running 18 tonner to deliver 4 boxes to Central London (from Glasgow!), and stories as such are common here on trucknet.

Other example: we try to convict our boss to fit night heater to all our vans, even the ones which do not have sleeping cabs. One night of running engine just to keep driver warm costs more than 10 pounds in fuel. Night heater can be fitted for couple of hundreds… Do the math: 20-30 nights out and you have your costs back… They are not interested. I simply don’t understand that…

So although you can’t do much on the subjects rightly poited by Ex Hauliers, you can save a lot money just to look into your own yard…

2 years ago had 15 loads to go out to latvia which was good rate from uk customer

for my back loads i could get £400gbp more to reload in germany back to uk rather than latvia or poland

1x load offered was same price out of latvia at full weight so opted for my lighter load in germany for same price and had the better mpg back to germany.

DS2604:
2 years ago had 15 loads to go out to latvia which was good rate from uk customer

for my back loads i could get £400gbp more to reload in germany back to uk rather than latvia or poland

1x load offered was same price out of latvia at full weight so opted for my lighter load in germany for same price and had the better mpg back to germany.

Thta’s exactly the reason why I tend to refuse backloads out of Eastern Europe, would much rather run a few hundred miles empty and collect on route in Germany for the same or often better rates.