What would you have done

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tango boy:

robroy:
Thanks to bobdebouer for taking up my challenge with so much enthusiasm :open_mouth: :smiley: , but firstly you forgot to call me [zb] : in a Conor stylee :smiley: , and secondly if faced with a broken lens on a ■■■■■■■ wet cold night, and having the choice of either fitting a temporary red bulb or reading all that crap and deciding not to, I would still decide it is better than no light at all every time.

[zb], [zb], [zb]!!! :wink: :wink: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Just what I would expect from you Orangeboy :smiley:

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robroy:

tango boy:

robroy:
Thanks to bobdebouer for taking up my challenge with so much enthusiasm :open_mouth: :smiley: , but firstly you forgot to call me [zb] : in a Conor stylee :smiley: , and secondly if faced with a broken lens on a ■■■■■■■ wet cold night, and having the choice of either fitting a temporary red bulb or reading all that crap and deciding not to, I would still decide it is better than no light at all every time.

[zb], [zb], [zb]!!! :wink: :wink: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Just what I would expect from you Orangeboy :smiley:

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Own Account Driver:
Missing lens is an MOT fail so presumably still a potentially delayed prohibition.

Technically, it isnt.
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_110.htm
Specifically section 3(d)

d.
are in good condition
Note: An effective proprietary repair (e.g. lens repair tape etc.) must be assessed on its merits, considering security, colour, light output and durability.

Meaning 1 MOT tech may fail, whereas another would pass.

What you need to remember is you need a “lamp”, whether the lamp has a cover or not makes no difference. The lens cover is there purely for weather protection and to change the colour from white to red. You could use clear lenses and red bulbs for all anyone cares.

Rob your a ■■■■, feel better

:smiley: :smiley:

What was this thread about again?

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Technically it is.

Try the HGV testers manual :wink:

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Own Account Driver:
Technically it is.

Try the HGV testers manual :wink:

Oh well, thats me told. Guessed it would be roughly the same but thinking about it lorries are totally different to cars, so makes sense to have a separate testing manual.

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Hasn’t cut & pasted well

63 Lamps
Method of Inspection Reason for Failure

  1. Check lamps for:
    a. presence and security of an obligatory lamp.
    b. correct illumination and function.
    c. presence of the lens, its visibility, security and condition.
    d. showing a light of the right colour.
    e. correct position.
    f. a steady light when lightly tapped by hand.
    g. not being affected by the operation of any other lamp.
  2. Check the fog lamp (in addition to the above):
    a. fog lamp has a tell tale light fitted, working and visible to
    the driver.
    b. the number of rear fog lamps fitted.
  3. Check the stop lamp (in addition to the above) for a steady red
    light when the brakes are applied and goes out when the brakes
    are released.
  4. For all lamps:
    *a. an obligatory lamp missing or insecure.
    *b. a lamp dim, due to dirt or internal deterioration, or not
    working.
    *c. a lens missing, obscured, insecure, or damaged so it is
    likely to fall apart.
    *d. not showing a light of the right colour.
    *e. incorrectly positioned.
    *f. flickers when lightly tapped by hand.
    *g. is affected by the operation of any other lamp.
  5. Fog lamp:
    a. tell-tale light not fitted, not working or cannot be seen by
    the driver.
    b. more than two rear fog lamps are fitted.
    *3. Stop lamp does not show a steady red light when the brakes
    are applied, or does not go out when the brakes are released.
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Own Account Driver:
Hasn’t cut & pasted well

63 Lamps
Method of Inspection Reason for Failure

  1. Check lamps for:
    a. presence and security of an obligatory lamp.
    b. correct illumination and function.
    c. presence of the lens, its visibility, security and condition.
    d. showing a light of the right colour.
    e. correct position.
    f. a steady light when lightly tapped by hand.
    g. not being affected by the operation of any other lamp.
  2. Check the fog lamp (in addition to the above):
    a. fog lamp has a tell tale light fitted, working and visible to
    the driver.
    b. the number of rear fog lamps fitted.
  3. Check the stop lamp (in addition to the above) for a steady red
    light when the brakes are applied and goes out when the brakes
    are released.
  4. For all lamps:
    *a. an obligatory lamp missing or insecure.
    *b. a lamp dim, due to dirt or internal deterioration, or not
    working.
    *c. a lens missing, obscured, insecure, or damaged so it is
    likely to fall apart.
    *d. not showing a light of the right colour.
    *e. incorrectly positioned.
    *f. flickers when lightly tapped by hand.
    *g. is affected by the operation of any other lamp.
  5. Fog lamp:
    a. tell-tale light not fitted, not working or cannot be seen by
    the driver.
    b. more than two rear fog lamps are fitted.
    *3. Stop lamp does not show a steady red light when the brakes
    are applied, or does not go out when the brakes are released.

Wrap a bit of shrink wrap around it with a red bulb lol :stuck_out_tongue:

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Just reading this illustrates how over regulated and pedantic this job has become.
Drivers are discussing regulations down to this level of detail and analysing it.
The old days had their faults, but I cannot visualise doing a temporary get you home type repair in the 80s, then getting back to base and discussing the ins and outs of sections and sub sections of a regulation manual as to whether it is deemed legal or not. :laughing:

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oh dear conor, lose an argument and best rhetoric you can come up with is punctuation (are you 5?).

and isn’t this the trouble nowadays though? that drivers are being stopped from doing basic things such as putting a new lens on, changing a bulb. not trying to make people mechanics but good god why cant you bodge something for a day to get you by?

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robroy:
Just reading this illustrates how over regulated and pedantic this job has become.
Drivers are discussing regulations down to this level of detail and analysing it.
The old days had their faults, but I cannot visualise doing a temporary get you home type repair in the 80s, then getting back to base and discussing the ins and outs of sections and sub sections of a regulation manual as to whether it is deemed legal or not. :laughing:

+1
Back then it was bugger it and crack on, when back in the yard grab another lens out the stores and fit it myself, oh alright I may have attempted a minor bodge if more than 30 mins from base.

A proper walkround check was something to be done at the end of the week, just to toss the job off a bit… :blush:

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:exclamation: Out of hours (BOOT0) taxi

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Conor:

switchlogic:
Good lord people, its showing red which would be good enough for me. You all worry too much, fines, ‘its my licence’ etc. You’re unlikely to get stopped let alone fined, and were aren’t at the point where we lose or licences for a broken light with a stop hai repair. You should have taken it imo. It wouldn’t hurt. And of next day it’s still not fixed then make a fuss. I would have attached it a bit more securely tho. Cue the condescending ‘hero’ posts…

It is [zb] like you that has resulted in companies like that thinking its OK to send any old crap out on the road as long as the wheels turn.

Thanks for nothing, ■■■■■■. I see the usual band of cowboys have jumped in to support you. When you get the support of that Irish ■■■■■■ its like a confirmation of what a prick you are.

Awwww Conor darling, dont say that, I thought you loved me… :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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war1974:
oh dear conor, lose an argument and best rhetoric you can come up with is punctuation (are you 5?).

and isn’t this the trouble nowadays though? that drivers are being stopped from doing basic things such as putting a new lens on, changing a bulb. not trying to make people mechanics but good god why cant you bodge something for a day to get you by?

Yeh he seems to have gone a bit quiet after his meltdown/goboff hasn’t he :smiley:

If we went in to some of the ‘get you back jobs’ we used to do, chaining up trailer axles, putting folds in brake pipes and wire tying them :laughing: to name only two, some of the drama queens on here would need a lie down :unamused: they would not have lasted 5 mins in the job then.
After saying that I wouldn’t want to go back to that aspect of those days.

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switchlogic:

Conor:

switchlogic:
Good lord people, its showing red which would be good enough for me. You all worry too much, fines, ‘its my licence’ etc. You’re unlikely to get stopped let alone fined, and were aren’t at the point where we lose or licences for a broken light with a stop hai repair. You should have taken it imo. It wouldn’t hurt. And of next day it’s still not fixed then make a fuss. I would have attached it a bit more securely tho. Cue the condescending ‘hero’ posts…

It is [zb] like you that has resulted in companies like that thinking its OK to send any old crap out on the road as long as the wheels turn.

Thanks for nothing, ■■■■■■. I see the usual band of cowboys have jumped in to support you. When you get the support of that Irish ■■■■■■ its like a confirmation of what a prick you are.

Awwww Conor darling, dont say that, I thought you loved me… :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

He does really Luke, but he’s in denial. :laughing:

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Irish ■■■■■■

Lmao…Conor making a new name up for you Luke… very original …

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robroy:

war1974:
oh dear conor, lose an argument and best rhetoric you can come up with is punctuation (are you 5?).

and isn’t this the trouble nowadays though? that drivers are being stopped from doing basic things such as putting a new lens on, changing a bulb. not trying to make people mechanics but good god why cant you bodge something for a day to get you by?

Yeh he seems to have gone a bit quiet after his meltdown/goboff hasn’t he :smiley:

If we went in to some of the ‘get you back jobs’ we used to do, chaining up trailer axles, putting folds in brake pipes and wire tying them :laughing: to name only two, some of the drama queens on here would need a lie down :unamused: they would not have lasted 5 mins in the job then.
After saying that I wouldn’t want to go back to that aspect of those days.

I guess its the old difference of making something work to get you home rather than call out a fitter. I have changed airlines,bulbs, tyres etc. would I do it all now I doubt it. but changing a bulb is frowned upon at some places which is stupid.

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I would have done 1 of 2 things.

  1. I’d have put the fog light lens back on the fog light, and used my ingenuity to get some type of relatively neat red lens over the tail light so I could take it out (after packing a sleeping bag in case it turned into an unplanned night out). Or if I couldn’t have got at least temporary and correctly coloured lens covers on all lights, then…

  2. I wouldn’t have taken it out because it’s begging for a tug and, as far as I’m aware, DVSA fines are graduated. That means my next fine would be potentially higher. Also, what would happen if I actually hit some thick fog? We live in an age of liability, not initiative. So I’d naturally want to cover myself.

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As i have said.

This is not your average haulage firm with a yard and onsite worshop etc we have none of that, there is only 1 artic mine so no taking other lens, no firm that they use for trailer repairs, no red tape in office nothing.

You know 20 or 30 years ago yeah maybe take it but at least you know your bossman would have had your back, i work for a firm like most firms now where everyone wants to pass the buck and we all know where the ends me us the drivers, would i have been thanked for taking trailer yes, would have i been helped with the fine if stopped no, we live in a world of spineless back stabbing office staff, managers who do think we are worth two a penny.

So now days i do things by the book because we are professionals are we not.

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Paulc:
As i have said.

This is not your average haulage firm with a yard and onsite worshop etc we have none of that, there is only 1 artic mine so no taking other lens, no firm that they use for trailer repairs, no red tape in office nothing.

You know 20 or 30 years ago yeah maybe take it but at least you know your bossman would have had your back, i work for a firm like most firms now where everyone wants to pass the buck and we all know where the ends me us the drivers, would i have been thanked for taking trailer yes, would have i been helped with the fine if stopped no, we live in a world of spineless back stabbing office staff, managers who do think we are worth two a penny.

So now days i do things by the book because we are professionals are we not.

You know what mate, despite some of the stuff I have said on this thread already, I do tend to agree with a lot of what you say. If a firm looks after you, you tend to go that extra mile to help them. If they treat you as you say…you don’t.
I have worked for both types of firms in the past, for the good ones I was Mr Helpful, co.operative and a team player all the way, for the others I was a right arse. A lot of firms can’t grasp the concept that you only reap what you sow.