as gembo says,take the course at the end of it no points
The-Snowman:
1 - You were going to fast to stop
2 - You were too close
many years ago at Hereford, the DS, whilst doing CP/ BG in souped up Q cars for NORN iron said exactly this. 
of course whilst riding shotgun, 
you wind the window down and double tap the bint between the eyes! 
works a treat. 
OP prepare the lube, ACAB! 
never loosen ones lips! ENDEX! 
Booked in when??:
The-Snowman:
Booked in when??:
My first reaction was oh [zb] and started anchoring up. I looked ahead and there wasn’t anything coming so thought I’ll have to go round her because I wasn’t going to stop.
I bet you can guess what I’m going to say next [emoji50] yep she flicks the indicator right and comes across the front of me and bang!!If im reading this right,she indicated left and started to slow. You [zb] yourself coz you wernt going to be able to stop in time so you went around and she went right instead.
1 - You were going to fast to stop
2 - You were too close
Doesn’t sound like your the innocent party here. All she did wrong was change her mind at the last minute(and I use the word “wrong” loosely).
Maybe im reading it wrong and there was something else going on (Ive learned the hard way on here not to have a go when posting without being sure you know what your talking about!) so if im wrong let me know why you think you should be blameless.If only I was allowed to post up the footage and you’d soon change your tune. Maybe once it’s all settled I will just so you can see exactly what happened instead of my half arsed explanation of the events.
Upload video to youtube.com and post the link on here. Simple??
Be interesting to see Dash cam footage and I hope you will, when everything is sorted so that you can set the record straight.
From your description of the incident you where following a car which indicated they where turning left at a junction, there was only one course of action on that carriage way, slow down and be prepared to stop… but by your own admission
I looked ahead and there wasn’t anything coming so thought I’ll have to go round her because I wasn’t going to stop
So effectively you chose to overtake at a or on top of a junction… that’s one hell of a dangerous manoeuvre, the blame is fair and square at your door, plus along that road there’s a lot of hatch markings near to and at junctions…
But hey the dint in the car in front decided to change her mind,actually right turn at the junction glad she even bothered to give an indication but if you was overtaking you wouldn’t have seen it.
She was probably following a Sat Nav or gassing to a passenger or was she on the phone, that’s not what the police look at…there looking at the fact you was over taking near to or at a junction and you crossed hatched markings…
Maybe in her eyes she did nothing wrong, Id call it driving with undue car and attention and you wondering why your being done for it…maybe the police are looking at it that you should have slow down and be prepared to stop, by offering you a awareness course and no points, think your getting off very lightly
Sorry to be blunt but a simple fact that you should have slowed down. End of the day ■■■■ it up do the driver awareness course and learn from the mistake, as long as you keep your licence clear of point over the incident …Bonus
Just one cotton picking second. What kind of wet arsed country are we living in? We should be ashamed of ourselves. This isn’t the actions of a country that defeated the Germans in WW2. Now every single bump that has a rozzer turning up results in some sort of conviction for one party. What happened to a road side ‘can see this was a knock’ from the copper, a quick chat to both and a discussion about being more careful and on your way, like t’ old days. This country is obsessed with ivory towers and pointy finger syndrome and crying to teacher - citizens not taking personal responsibility for their actions. We should be ashamed of ourselves.
I don’t believe like some on here that the old bill have that much intelligence when it comes to judgement of some motoring events. What about dive bombers who fly across 3 lanes in front of you, slam on the anchors then pull off. If you hit one of those, the bill,by strict law could do you for not allowing enough distance. BUT what the law doesn’t allow for is recognising the fact the other ■■■■ party needs to give you half a pigging chance to adjust that distance before pulling some sort of acrobatic manoeuvre. The law is an ■■■.
Professional drivers my left foot. That’s an excuse for an easy, on the plate, target trumping conviction. Try getting a copper to pull his finger out if you’ve been burgled or car broken into. It’s happened to me. Guess what! ■■■■ all! Lots of mmm ing and tutting. Very funny they don’t hold back over easy motoring convictions. You’ll get one turn up then if your little Prius is knocked by a nasty truck.
nick2008:
Martin:
I thought the NIP had to be issued with 2 weeks of the offence if you had not been cautioned at the time?The purpose of the notice of intended prosecution (NIP) is to inform the potential defendant that he may be prosecuted for the offence he has committed, whilst the incident is still fresh in his memory.
When you receive an NIP it does not automatically mean that you are going to face prosecution, it is a warning that you may face prosecution.
The NIP must be served on the driver or registered keeper within 14 days of the offence otherwise the offence cannot proceed at court. If the details of the driver are not known, then it is sent to the registered keeper. In either case, so long it arrives at the relevant address within the time limit the notice is valid.
If the registered keeper has changed address/not informed DVLA etc., as long as the NIP arrived at the address on record for the registered keeper within 14 days, it is still valid. The registered keeper then has an obligation to identify the driver.
The driver, may then receive further paperwork in due course, but that is not to be confused with the document that is legally required to be sent within the 14 days.
NIPs can also be issued verbally to the driver at the time of the offence or alternatively you could receive a court summons through the post for the alleged offence within the 14 days.
Small mistakes on the notice do not render it ineffective unless it would mislead the potential defendant.
A notice shall be deemed to have been served on a person if it was posted to him at his last known address, notwithstanding that the notice was returned as undelivered or was for any other reason not received by him. The posted NIP is deemed to be served until the contrary is shown
The OP said the incident was last December and received the notice last Friday so it’s too late?
The op also says he has it STILL on tape or what ever so if he’s telling the truth why worry?
James the cat:
Just one cotton picking second. What kind of wet arsed country are we living in? We should be ashamed of ourselves. This isn’t the actions of a country that defeated the Germans in WW2. Now every single bump that has a rozzer turning up results in some sort of conviction for one party. What happened to a road side ‘can see this was a knock’ from the copper, a quick chat to both and a discussion about being more careful and on your way, like t’ old days. This country is obsessed with ivory towers and pointy finger syndrome and crying to teacher - citizens not taking personal responsibility for their actions. We should be ashamed of ourselves.I don’t believe like some on here that the old bill have that much intelligence when it comes to judgement of some motoring events. What about dive bombers who fly across 3 lanes in front of you, slam on the anchors then pull off. If you hit one of those, the bill,by strict law could do you for not allowing enough distance. BUT what the law doesn’t allow for is recognising the fact the other ■■■■ party needs to give you half a pigging chance to adjust that distance before pulling some sort of acrobatic manoeuvre. The law is an ■■■.
Professional drivers my left foot. That’s an excuse for an easy, on the plate, target trumping conviction. Try getting a copper to pull his finger out if you’ve been burgled or car broken into. It’s happened to me. Guess what! [zb] all! Lots of mmm ing and tutting. Very funny they don’t hold back over easy motoring convictions. You’ll get one turn up then if your little Prius is knocked by a nasty truck.
So bloody true, as it is over here.
Facts about the NIP
For certain offences, the process can be started by serving a Notice of Intended Prosecution Pursuant to Section 1 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act. Typically, these offences are speeding, failing to comply with traffic signals etc. The obligation is upon the prosecution to have issued and despatched the Notice in order that it arrives with the registered keeper of the vehicle within 14 days of the offence.
The 14 day rule relates only to the period of time in which the Police/Process Unit must serve the original Notice. The Police do not have to prove that the Notice reached its intended recipient within 14 days, merely that they believe that it arrived, but there may be a defence available if the intended recipient can convince a Court that the notice did not arrive in time or at all. In many cases, the registered keeper will be a lease company not the actual driver, with the result that even if the driver is unaware of the incident, service of the Notice is good if it was sent to arrive at the registered keeper’s last known address within 14 days of the offence.
Booked in when??:
In December of last year I was on my way up the A10 between Downham Market and Kings Lynn sitting in a queue of traffic doing about 35mph. It was a sunny day but the road was soaking wet. I was following a Mondeo(about 10th in the queue) at a distance of about 75ft when the driver indicated to turn left at a cross roads approximately 40ft from the junction. On my trailer I had 15 tons of non haz powdered chemicals in 25kg bags on pallets.
My first reaction was oh [zb] and started anchoring up. I looked ahead and there wasn’t anything coming so thought I’ll have to go round her because I wasn’t going to stop.
I bet you can guess what I’m going to say next [emoji50] yep she flicks the indicator right and comes across the front of me and bang!!
The police turned up and done all the normal stuff and said they were happy with what I had said and wasn’t going to take it any further.
I did point out I had a camera recording and they have a copy. I didn’t hear anything else until last Friday.
Now the Police are doing me and have offered me a nice awareness course or go to court and defend it.
Sorry to go on but would like to know what you guys and girls would do?
If I lose in court I’m threatened with 9 points and all the costs etc.
I am proper ■■■■■■ off about it.
What have they doing you for?
The footage is from my company’s dash cam not my own one. If it was mine I’d put it up.
what would have been the result if she had indicated right in the first place ?
chester1:
what would have been the result if she had indicated right in the first place ?
^^^this^^^ sums it up perfectly.
You were too close, that’s why you’re getting nicked, end of story.
I’d advise you to take the awareness course, as it seems you still think you did nothing wrong.
chester1:
what would have been the result if she had indicated right in the first place ?
Exactly, or had there been something coming towards her preventing her from turning.
In my opinion you have been extremely lucky in getting offered an awareness course, as without doubt you are guilty of at least driving without due care and attention and possibly even dangerous driving.
you have video evidence, see you in court.
I’d be seeing a lawyer, find one that deals with motoring offenses get an hours free consultation, see what they have to see. Up here is a decent lawyer deals with that kinda thing would set it all out, a figure how much it would cost.
Chances are prob is gonna be worthwhile just doing the course.
But then again did the police interview you under caution ? Why did the police say they were not taking any further action, that puts you at a disadvantage if you had thought its all over delete the footage, insurers in both sides been told there is no police action being taken. Doesent seem right, i got stopped in Scotland for something, police ranted and raved but then just left, i asked a mate in the police will i get done for this he told me no they have to tell you (up here anyway) what they plan to do, not supposed to just leave you hanging.
More to this…
Booked in when??:
The footage is from my company’s dash cam not my own one. If it was mine I’d put it up.
It’s your defence so you should and need access to it.
You can post where you want once have it, can’t see your company restricting you access to it unless more to this than we know
Hi mate,
I would do the course hopefully no points or cost for you then, that a10 road is always a pain lots of accidents on that part,
good luck alan.