Deathstar:
“Y” indicates that the substance has a danger of violent reaction or explosion and requires Breathing apparatus and Gloves when handling.(Remembered from last weeks ADR Course).
Hi Deathstar, you’re spot-on with the first part, but then you got a little mixed-up with the second part.
An EAC is for the fire-brigade in the event of an emergency, and the “Y” has the following meaning:
Standard fire-kit and BA are to be worn, there is a danger of violent reaction with water and the stuff should be contained if spilled.
The EAC has no connection with “handling” the stuff.
I think you might have got the EAC (for the fire-brigade) confused with the ‘instructions in writing’ (for the driver.)
hiya i don’t have any haz chem/trem cards any more.(retired) i see on the nynas tank the product no is 3257
i thought bitumen products was 1999 it was only a thought … i know nynas are not fools in the hot bitumen sceen.
so i was not disagreeing with them maybe grading has changed.as there are many blends of the black stuff.
John
3300John:
hiya i don’t have any haz chem/trem cards any more.(retired)
Hi 3300John, A Hazchem certificate has now been replaced by an ADR certificate (IIRC that was mid-90s)
and Tremcards ceased to be a legal requirement last July (09.)
3300John:
i see on the nynas tank the product no is 3257
i thought bitumen products was 1999 it was only a thought …
You’re spot-on again mate. 
UN 1999 can be used for bitumen, but it depends on flashpoint and viscosity.
UN 1999 is actually more used for TAR, which is in UN Class 3.
3300John:
i know nynas are not fools in the hot bitumen sceen.
so i was not disagreeing with them maybe grading has changed.as there are many blends of the black stuff.
John
Spot-on again mate.
The grading hasn’t changed, but UN 1999 has six different variations (= many blends. 
)
Some are in PGII, whilst some others are in PGIII.
It all gets technical then with flaspoint and viscosity coming into play.
UN 3257 as on the Nynas tanker is pretty straightforward and is in UN Class 9, so as you said, Nynas are no fools.
Hiya …seen the bugger today TG-A Man with DHL stainless tank ermegancy action Y1… product 2448 …hot product
red and white striped square on point could’nt see number. get your book out dave and tell us what shes carrying.
looked like Colas to me she was passing Wrexham heading towards Chester bypass empty(Warrington direction)
Cheers John
Deathstar:
Molten Sulphur
short and sweet but now we know. is that out of Stanlow■■? that was a TDG job or EX Runcorn tankers (RTS)
my mate will be mortified if someone else is carrying that stuff.Thanks Deathstar.
John
3300John:
Hiya …seen the bugger today TG-A Man with DHL stainless tank ermegancy action Y1… product 2448 …hot product
red and white striped square on point could’nt see number. get your book out dave and tell us what shes carrying.
looked like Colas to me she was passing Wrexham heading towards Chester bypass empty(Warrington direction)
Cheers John
Hi John,
In an EAC, the number always comes first, then the letter, but that looks like just a typo to me.
In the best traditions of this programme, here’s one I prepared earlier… 
A sulphur tanker sidemarking:
And from the rear:
And for my last trick,
Here’s a sulphur tank with the manlid open
dieseldave:
Hi John,
In an EAC, the number always comes first, then the letter, but that looks like just a typo to me.
In the best traditions of this programme, here’s one I prepared earlier…
A sulphur tanker sidemarking:
And from the rear:
And for my last trick,
Here’s a sulphur tank with the manlid open
I am nitpicking again. I believe the Hoyer fleet number is wrong as it should be VFH 63 which stands for Very [zb] Hot as Molten Sulphur is carried at about 140’c 
In addition to that, the Crane Fruehauf manlids and boxes are a right proper mess, and you are never going to steam the drains clear on them. Norman Lewis would be personally kicking your arse through the gate, never to darken them again
Wheel Nut:
I am nitpicking again. I believe the Hoyer fleet number is wrong as it should be VFH 63 which stands for Very [zb] Hot as Molten Sulphur is carried at about 140’c
Hi Malc,
You can nitpick all you like mate, cos it’s only by doing so that things get discussed. 
Wheel Nut:
In addition to that, the Crane Fruehauf manlids and boxes are a right proper mess, and you are never going to steam the drains clear on them. Norman Lewis would be personally kicking your arse through the gate, never to darken them again
Now there’s a thing… I’d never have left a spill box in that state, so he’d never have kicked my arse.
OVER HERE the driver would have been given a royal welcome by the enforcement
officers and asked to contribute to the save the Germans fund plus this would apply to the loader of the product and also the owner of the road-tanker and truck,
what a idiot of a driver ,
saw another DHELL tanker and on the back all it said was
2X
liquid bitumen
what does the 2X stand for? and how come there wasnt no number like usual?
2X is information for the Fire Brigade.The EAC.
2 = A fine spray of water should be used to extinguish a fire.
X = Full Body Protective Clothing with Breathing Apparatus required.
Bitumen may only qualify as dangerous goods if it is transported at an elevated temperature and not it’s normal temperature.This would be indicated by the thermometer sign you saw earlier.I stand to be corrected on this.
Hiya its a bit of a joke bitumen been a quite low danger. at 300dig i think its quite a danger.
a few years ago a Colas tanker tipped over on a rounabout in Coventry the load run like water
down the drains and then cooled big problem. but that stuff floating around like water could
have splashed onto pedestrans and it sticks like s… to a blanket. quite a danger i think
i know its easy to handle if your experenced but that hot!!!
John
Deathstar:
2X is information for the Fire Brigade.The EAC.
2 = A fine spray of water should be used to extinguish a fire.
X = Full Body Protective Clothing with Breathing Apparatus required.
Bitumen may only qualify as dangerous goods if it is transported at an elevated temperature and not it’s normal temperature.This would be indicated by the thermometer sign you saw earlier.I stand to be corrected on this.
Hi Deathstar, What you’ve called “Full Body Protective Clothing” should read: Liquid-tight suit (LTS,) but there’s no need to correct the rest, which is already spot-on.
Just to further develop an already well-made point in your post,
I’d stress that the EAC is for the fire-brigade and NOT for a driver.
If a driver reads their Instructions In Writing (IIW) properly, they’ll discover the following two snippets:
ADR 5.4.3:
Where appropriate and safe to do so, use the fire extinguishers to put out small/initial fires in
tyres, brakes and engine compartments;
- Fires in load compartments shall not be tackled by members of the vehicle crew
From the second part of the quote above, a driver tackling a fire in a load compartment would seem to be be in breach of ADR 5.4.3
I’m wondering what Cruise Control is going to do with the info once he’s asked the meaning of each EAC he sees.
Had my wits about me today DieselDave when i wondered what was in the tanker, remebered eveything except the trailer chassis number -hope thats not important while driving on the M11
3Z
3082
had 2 ADR markers on it, one was a white diamond with the top half with black lines going down it and the second one was one i have never seen on a tanker before carrying ADR loads.
it was a white diomand and (i think) if i can remember correctly it showed a dead looking tree and a poorly looking fish 
- thats the first time i ever seen that picture on a tanker and thats what made me wonder what it was carrying as surley all loads are dangerous to the enviroment if spilt 
, why was this one special?
cheers
CC
Cruise Control:
Had my wits about me today DieselDave when i wondered what was in the tanker, remebered eveything except the trailer chassis number -hope thats not important while driving on the M11
3Z
3082
had 2 ADR markers on it, one was a white diamond with the top half with black lines going down it and the second one was one i have never seen on a tanker before carrying ADR loads.
it was a white diomand and (i think) if i can remember correctly it showed a dead looking tree and a poorly looking fish - thats the first time i ever seen that picture on a tanker and thats what made me wonder what it was carrying as surley all loads are dangerous to the enviroment if spilt , why was this one special?
cheers
CC
Hi CC,
UN 3082 ENVIRONMENTALLY HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE, LIQUID, N.O.S., 9, PGIII
The “9” just above means that the stuff is a substance of UN Class 9.
PGIII means that it presents a low danger.
That’s the problem CC, we have to have specifications for what actually pollutes the aquatic environment , rather than a rather vague OOOH, it’ll all damage the environment.
The placards you saw were:
… 
The reason that you might not have seen the ‘fish and tree’ placard is that it is fairly new.
Full compliance with the ‘fish and tree’ rules (including labels and placards) isn’t mandatory until the end of this year, but the ‘fish and tree’ sign may be used before then, such as on the vehicle that you saw.
The 3Z is for the fire-brigade (NOT for the driver ) and has the following meaning:
“3” means: use foam or dry powder to fight a fire involving this substance.
“Z” means: no danger of violent reaction, contain any spillage and that they should wear a BA set plus a standard fire (clothing) kit.
Are you going to ask each time you see a different UN number or placard?? 
