Boo9729:
We are having a slight misunderstanding me thinks you shouldn’t be content to be paid f*** all for 70 hrs. The 70 hr figure was only used as that’s the example the op originally started with.
A more realistic working wk is probably between 50 and 60 hrs. I’ve not said people are clambering to drive a truck. There are people out there who have changed from a stressful 40 hr wk in one profession to let’s say a 55hr wk driving lorry’s for similar money & now have a better quality of life.
Whatever your reason was for using the 70 hour figure it is a completely different ball game to the 55 hour version you have now ‘back peddled’ to.
15 hours a week or 3 hours a day over a 5 day week makes a hell of a difference in work quota terms both physically and mentally, and if you had used that version in your o/p it would not have attracted so much ridicule as it actually did in the first place.
Boo9729:
We are having a slight misunderstanding me thinks you shouldn’t be content to be paid f*** all for 70 hrs. The 70 hr figure was only used as that’s the example the op originally started with.
A more realistic working wk is probably between 50 and 60 hrs. I’ve not said people are clambering to drive a truck. There are people out there who have changed from a stressful 40 hr wk in one profession to let’s say a 55hr wk driving lorry’s for similar money & now have a better quality of life.
Whatever your reason was for using the 70 hour figure it is a completely different ball game to the 55 hour version you have now ‘back peddled’ to.
15 hours a week or 3 hours a day over a 5 day week makes a hell of a difference in work quota terms both physically and mentally, and if you had used that version in your o/p it would not have attracted so much ridicule as it actually did in the first place.
Those that have a clue about life fully understand my posts to the original op about wages etc. I know you understand aswell & take our last couple of posts as banter
I’m sure we agree we are both happy in what we do and what we earn & can leave the £7ph brigade to moan amongst themselves
Boo9729:
While your wittering on about 35k and 71hrs a wk ‘work’ I’m pretty sure a huge amount of working class people would swap their 40 hr a wk job on 35k for our 71hrs on 35k based on the fact a huge amount of our time is chilled out, radio on etc etc. Hardly a lot of hard work is it !!
You’re seriously saying that someone working 40hr/week in an office for £35K would happily swap with a lorry driver doing 71hr/week for the same money and lose 31 hours of family time in the process?
If you genuinely do believe that you are another planet. You’re either crazy or lead a very, very sad life.
Boo9729: I’m pretty sure a huge amount of working class people would swap their 40 hr a wk job on 35k for our 71hrs on 35k based on the fact a huge amount of our time is chilled out, radio on etc etc…
food price,house price and all daily essentional same to any people.but to many people in Uk work for national minimum wages and happy,some people work for 10 p/h and not happy.all depend.
If you only have a 2 min walk from your front door your better off then the bloke who has a 40 min drive in each morning plus tax , mot etc on their motor. As said previous it’s what your happy with and can live on.
All depends on someones outgoings and circumstances. What part of the country, kids or not, working couple or single, 6 bed mansion in Beaconsfield or box room in Luton. And hourly rates are only so important as some people it will suit them to earn less PAYE then do cash in hand to make up the shortfall and/or smash it in working tax credits, it’s the disposable income that is important and how it is used.
F-reds:
Boo let’s get one thing straight - no one on earth has ever said “gosh I do fancy doing double the hours, for half the pay”
But you are right I have met plenty of people who have said they would mind being the open road all day and being a trucker. 5 minute of listening to me, and there eyes have all glazed over, and they have vomited into their shoe at the thought of driving a HGV as a career.
In all serious though, I love my job.
Take on board what you say. Just gets my goat that so many people on here bleat on about 60/70 hrs work etc etc but we are not paid enough for the work we do !!
Everyone has a level of pay and hrs they are happy with and those that think they are worth more should ‘do one’ and find something in life they are happy with.
Based on the mindset of a lot of people on here how much should a nurse be paid per hr for a 12hr shift, working non stop dealing with death, trauma, distraught members of the public etc ■■ Should be a dam sight more than an lgv driver, but guess what it’s not.
A nurse should earn more than a HGV driver ? Why ?
But even disregarding the news paper stories, a quick search on gov.uk’s Universal Jobmatch site shows higher wages than truck drivers and less hours . Why do you guess its not ?
I am a mercenary, I go out the door to work in someone else’s enterprise (and world) purely for the money. Have done 70 plus hours per week in the past to earn decent money, whereas nowadays I prefer to earn similar money in less than 50 hours.
I currently earn in 38 hours in a non driving job what many drivers would have to work 55 hours plus to earn. It a long term agency placement that won’t last forever, but whilst it there I take it, as for me it preferable to being stuck in endless traffic jams.
A good wage is difficult to define, but for me it is being comfortable, whatever that means.
F-reds:
Boo let’s get one thing straight - no one on earth has ever said “gosh I do fancy doing double the hours, for half the pay”
But you are right I have met plenty of people who have said they would mind being the open road all day and being a trucker. 5 minute of listening to me, and there eyes have all glazed over, and they have vomited into their shoe at the thought of driving a HGV as a career.
In all serious though, I love my job.
Take on board what you say. Just gets my goat that so many people on here bleat on about 60/70 hrs work etc etc but we are not paid enough for the work we do !!
Everyone has a level of pay and hrs they are happy with and those that think they are worth more should ‘do one’ and find something in life they are happy with.
Based on the mindset of a lot of people on here how much should a nurse be paid per hr for a 12hr shift, working non stop dealing with death, trauma, distraught members of the public etc ■■ Should be a dam sight more than an lgv driver, but guess what it’s not.
A nurse should earn more than a HGV driver ? Why ?
But even disregarding the news paper stories, a quick search on gov.uk’s Universal Jobmatch site shows higher wages than truck drivers and less hours . Why do you guess its not ?
Don’t really intend to get into a debate about nurses and their hourly pay. But are you seriously asking why a nurse should be paid more an hr than an hgv driver !!!
The point I was making earlier is that an average hourly rate for an RGN is around £13 an hour. So on that basis why do some drivers think they should be paid this amount the minute they have an lgv licence ■■
Would you put a local skip driver in the same pay category as a nurse ■■
Don’t get me wrong there are jobs for lgv drivers that pay this and more. But for some reason so many on here seem to think that ALL lgv drivers deserve this level because they are skilled and have a licence, which you and I know is rubbish.
Boo9729:
Don’t really intend to get into a debate about nurses and their hourly pay. But are you seriously asking why a nurse should be paid more an hr than an hgv driver !!!
Yes, i’m seriously asking why.
Boo9729:
The point I was making earlier is that an average hourly rate for an RGN is around £13 an hour. So on that basis why do some drivers think they should be paid this amount the minute they have an lgv licence ■■
I agree with this and i’ve no idea why there are such high immediate expectations. But you made a point that Nurses should be on a lot more than lorry drivers and you said they’re not. It looks indeed like they are on more.
Nurses are on more. Given that they now have to have a degree they also typically pay at least 9 times more for their qualification than a truck driver does and that’s before we even take into account the 2-3 years of costs of going to university.
Why have drivers wages not kept up with others? Until 15 years ago I worked on a farm earning about £15000 then I left and got a job driving on £22000 plus £4500 night out money I worked there for 8 years and the wage was £27500 plus £5400 night out money so wages went up. When I left I went agency at Sainsburys on £10.75 per hour wages there now 7 years later are the same, but it’s not just sainsburys it’s everywhere no wages are going up. I stopped driving about 8 weeks ago and went to the railway now my basic is £25240 for a 35 hour week I know my start and finish time 8 weeks in advance all training paid for so much better than trucks.
A good wage is a wage where you are happy with, that pays your bills, and leave you enough for the nicer things in life. For some people 25K enough for other people is 45K not enough.
Some people have no debt whatsoever, other ones have loaned their backside off and need a lot of money to pay back. (or have an expensive wife)
And of course than you have the group who is outright greedy, and will be miserable their whole life, because there will be always somebody who makes more than them.
A wise man told me once, if you have paid your bills and you still have enough for a pint and a smoke, than you are a very rich man.
lizard:
After reading lots of comments on other threads about wage rates I thought I would do a rough estimate of what’s what.
If you were to max your hours weekly doing 3 x 15 & 2 x 13 which works out at 71 hours what would you be taking home after tax and insurance.
£7ph £19383
£8ph £22536
£9ph £24921
the above is after paying 25% tax & ins
below is after paying 45% tax & ins
£10ph £20306
£11ph £22337
after you earn £35000ish a year you pay 40% tax so is it really worth trying to chase the job that pays more than £9 an hour.
You do know you only pay tax on the monies ABOVE £35000 right!?
caledoniandream:
A good wage is a wage where you are happy with, that pays your bills, and leave you enough for the nicer things in life. For some people 25K enough for other people is 45K not enough.
Some people have no debt whatsoever, other ones have loaned their backside off and need a lot of money to pay back. (or have an expensive wife)
And of course than you have the group who is outright greedy, and will be miserable their whole life, because there will be always somebody who makes more than them.
A wise man told me once, if you have paid your bills and you still have enough for a pint and a smoke, than you are a very rich man.
Income Tax rates
The rates of Income Tax you pay depend on how much taxable income you have above your Personal Allowance.
2014 to 2015 tax year
The current tax year is from 6 April 2014 to 5 April 2015.
Tax rate
Taxable income above your Personal Allowance
Basic rate 20% £0 to £31,865
Higher rate 40% £31,866 to £150,000
Additional rate 45% Over £150,000
Example
You earn £35,000 of taxable income and your Personal Allowance is £10,000. You pay basic rate tax at 20% on £25,000 (£35,000 minus £10,000).
If you pay higher or additional rates
If your taxable income’s over £31,865 above your Personal Allowance, you pay:
20% basic rate tax on the first £31,865
40% higher rate tax on taxable income between £31,865 and £150,000
45% additional rate tax on taxable income over £150,000
you shouldn’t be content to be paid f*** all for 70 hrs. The 70 hr figure was only used as that’s the example the op originally started with.
