Harry Monk:
stevieboy308:
What do you have to gain by not recording it?Not imagining that I am a citizen of the USSR in 1952 whose every activity is monitored by the State.
Your 100% correct too many āKarenāsā about Manor even trucking is coming down with them!!!
What DVSA officer is going to take you to court for NOT doing a manual entry for 10mins of āother workā when you lay in car/canteen the rest of shift FFS!!!
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Big Truck:
Harry Monk:
stevieboy308:
What do you have to gain by not recording it?Not imagining that I am a citizen of the USSR in 1952 whose every activity is monitored by the State.
Your 100% correct too many āKarenāsā about Manor even trucking is coming down with them!!!
What DVSA officer is going to take you to court for NOT doing a manual entry for 10mins of āother workā when you lay in car/canteen the rest of shift FFS!!!Sent from my SM-A125F using Tapatalk
āThe stateā doesnt want to "monitor your every activity" despite the outraged crying of the poor oppressed souls here. They would be interested in you booking (by a failure to show otherwise) being at work as a weekly rest period. . Get involved in an accident (your fault or not) and see if the few minutes spent on correctly recording things is too much effort or not. If taking a couple of minutes to do the job correctly, when youve spend most of a shift dossing around, is too much trouble, what other corners to you cut?
Oh, Forgotā¦
FFS !!!
spacemanZ10:
Would it not record as other work if getting paid then just log breaks? Unless you can claim the break as part of your weekly rest??Sent from my moto g 5G plus using Tapatalk
Practically the whole shift is a āābreakāā apart from clocking in and out and from a legal point of view it can be recorded with the bed symbol on the tacho.
Why would you record it as other work when you are fast asleep or watching a football match or whatever and getting paid for it.
Franglais:
Oh, Forgotā¦
FFS !!!
Language!
Surely youāre not stooping to our level [emoji22][emoji22]
Big Truck:
Harry Monk:
stevieboy308:
What do you have to gain by not recording it?Not imagining that I am a citizen of the USSR in 1952 whose every activity is monitored by the State.
Your 100% correct too many āKarenāsā about Manor even trucking is coming down with them!!!
What DVSA officer is going to take you to court for NOT doing a manual entry for 10mins of āother workā when you lay in car/canteen the rest of shift FFS!!!Sent from my SM-A125F using Tapatalk
The sad thing is mate, that today maybe they would you know. 
This is how not just the job but the whole of society has become, surveillance, monitoring and recording far above any Orwellian concept ever was.
Then to add to it we have the acceptance and the conformity aspect, where most people can not only see absolutely nothing wrong with things, but go on to regurgitate and repeat the finer points of what they have been āāfedāā as if there was nothing wrong with it,.and as if it was a āānormalāā everyday situation (sadly it is now btw) ā¦Just read some of the posts on this thread alone which quite amply illustrate that point.
Itās a sad state of affairs, nothing to do with having to account for 5 mins before and after a āānon working shiftāā, that is just the trivial and thin end of the large wedgeā¦itās the big picture of how things have declined in terms of individual and general freedoms that should be a concern, but apparently isnāt.
Thank Christ there is still a small percentage of realists and non brainwashed amongst us, not just on this forum but in life, who continue to see the real picture,ā¦but who are berated by the rest .
he would not be able to record on tacho cos he states that ā no keys are given out unless you are given a job ā so no keys no truck no tacho .
he would not be able to record on tacho cos he states that ā no keys are given out unless you are given a job ā so no keys no truck no tacho .
gingo:
he would not be able to record on tacho cos he states that ā no keys are given out unless you are given a job ā so no keys no truck no tacho .
gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou ā¦ raph-rules
"Manual records
A digital or smart tachograph offers the ability for a driver to enter activities carried out by them away from their vehicle. This is by means of the manual input facility in the tachograph. There is however no requirement to make a manual record on a driver card where all the activity has already been captured on an analogue record sheet.
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The only time a manual record or entry is legally required is when:
Reason
Activity takes place away from the vehicle and is not possible to use the tachograph.
Action
Manual record to be kept on analogue record sheet, on printout paper or by manual input on a digital or smart tachograph where possible."
Iāve a question, if they give you a job, and youāve 10 minutes of the last episode of Stranger things to watch. Can you tell them youāre on a break? If not, it can only be recorded as other work or POA.
LazyDriver:
Iāve a question, if they give you a job, and youāve 10 minutes of the last episode of Stranger things to watch. Can you tell them youāre on a break? If not, it can only be recorded as other work or POA.
Sorry if thatās just a joke, but your break or rest can be ended at any point [emoji53]
adam277:
POA.Kinda the definition of PEROID OF AVAIABILITY no?
Not really, POA and its duration has to be known about in advance, but realistically, thereās no real requirement to prove the advance knowledge, so you could easily do this.
adam277:
But I think there is a legislation somewhere that commuting to work has some impact on daily rest if it is over a certain amount of miles. But I can not remember it or find it. So maybe I am talking bs.
A regular daily commute to your normal workplace is not working time for the purposes of WTD/RTD and Iām not aware of any documented issues regarding time/distance. So for a driver going to the yard, itās not an issue
However, a landmark court ruling (ECJ, around 2015/2016) confirmed that for people traveling to and from a clientās workplace rather than an employerās workplace, the commute is working time.
This is particularly relevant to people who do external TM work: When your working hours servicing clients exceeds a certain point (normally at the point you get a fourth client) you need to supply the TC with details of your working week, including detailed info on journey times to and from the differing clients places of work, and it all has to fit into the 48 hour average working week.
Zac_A:
However, a landmark court ruling (ECJ, around 2015/2016) confirmed that for people traveling to and from a clientās workplace rather than an employerās workplace, the commute is working time.
Discovered the offence in 1997, magistrate referred it in 1999 to the European court, ruling in 2001
shullbit:
spacemanZ10:
Would it not record as other work if getting paid then just log breaks? Unless you can claim the break as part of your weekly rest??Sent from my moto g 5G plus using Tapatalk
Practically the whole shift is a āābreakāā apart from clocking in and out and from a legal point of view it can be recorded with the bed symbol on the tacho.
Why would you record it as other work when you are fast asleep or watching a football match or whatever and getting paid for it.
I suppose I would record it as work apart from enough break time to cover me? Iām at the yard, Iāve clocked in , its ended the daily rest period and Iām getting paid for it?
From a weekly rest period point of views itās work time?
Regardless of what they give you to do or not?
I guess you couldnāt do 7 days continuos of this, without breaking EU regs?
Iām probably wrong but just my thoughts.
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spacemanZ10:
shullbit:
spacemanZ10:
Would it not record as other work if getting paid then just log breaks? Unless you can claim the break as part of your weekly rest??Sent from my moto g 5G plus using Tapatalk
Practically the whole shift is a āābreakāā apart from clocking in and out and from a legal point of view it can be recorded with the bed symbol on the tacho.
Why would you record it as other work when you are fast asleep or watching a football match or whatever and getting paid for it.I suppose I would record it as work apart from enough break time to cover me? Iām at the yard, Iāve clocked in , its ended the daily rest period and Iām getting paid for it?
From a weekly rest period point of views itās work time?Regardless of what they give you to do or not?
I guess you couldnāt do 7 days continuos of this, without breaking EU regs?
Iām probably wrong but just my thoughts.
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There are rules about being āon callā, but those aren`t relevant here.
If you have to attend work, then you are at work.
You might be on break for hours on end, but work is where you are. And it strikes me, that even if you are there for over 9 or 11 hours it will be break, not rest, unless there is a bunk-room provided?
If youre showing up at work for 7 days, youre clearly not getting any weekly rest.
Franglais:
spacemanZ10:
shullbit:
spacemanZ10:
Would it not record as other work if getting paid then just log breaks? Unless you can claim the break as part of your weekly rest??Sent from my moto g 5G plus using Tapatalk
Practically the whole shift is a āābreakāā apart from clocking in and out and from a legal point of view it can be recorded with the bed symbol on the tacho.
Why would you record it as other work when you are fast asleep or watching a football match or whatever and getting paid for it.I suppose I would record it as work apart from enough break time to cover me? Iām at the yard, Iāve clocked in , its ended the daily rest period and Iām getting paid for it?
From a weekly rest period point of views itās work time?Regardless of what they give you to do or not?
I guess you couldnāt do 7 days continuos of this, without breaking EU regs?
Iām probably wrong but just my thoughts.
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There are rules about being āon callā, but those aren`t relevant here.
If you have to attend work, then you are at work.
You might be on break for hours on end, but work is where you are. And it strikes me, that even if you are there for over 9 or 11 hours it will be break, not rest, unless there is a bunk-room provided?If you
re showing up at work for 7 days, youre clearly not getting any weekly rest.
Yes I am at work, but I am on a break for about 90% of the time I am there, my daily rest period starts when I clock off, its completely separate, you might as well say āāyou are at work so you are not allowed to have a breakāā when this is simply not true. I am not showing up at work for 7 days either 
