What party is best for truckers?

caledoniandream:
What is the best party for truckers, probably the party who stabilizes and growth the economy.
I personal think the Conservatives have done a good job, and another 5 year would give them chance to finish that job in succes.
The Green Party is for dreamers, yes in a perfect world they are absolute right to protect the environment, but i think a reality pill and waking up to the smell of coffee would do them good.

Nigel Farage and his UKIP makes me think of the guy in the pub who knows everything better, shouts a lot, is going to do this and going to do that, and when he is home its: Yes wife no wife, of course i will put the bins out.
He hasn’t said anything what even slightly impresses me.
Also is immigrant policy is very much: Do as i say, not as i do, his wife is a German immigrant, and Farage is really a British name■■? I don’t think so!

We see currently in Greece what happens to Parties who promise the world, no austerity measures, all public workers back in the job, 3 month later the bank is empty and they are begging Germany to help them.

Labour in any country where i lived has never made an impression, neither in the UK, they empty the bank and blame everybody else for it.
There is no such a thing as a free meal, you cannot improve the NHS and social security without increasing taxes and stealing it somewhere else.
and be under no illusion that only the rich are affected by tax increase, the volume of the poor makes it much easier to get a lot of money with a tax increase of the full width of the British working population.
Also countries running by the working man (what Labour pretend to be) never succeed, have a look at the former USSR, China and now Cuba, they all turn into capitalist countries to survive.

Lib-Dem never impressed me and turn as a leave on a tree, depending how the wind blows.

SNP only look after theirselves and would be very dangerous for England and Wales.

+1 What he said.

Great post Mr Winsear. I normally switch off a bit with long monologues but it was thought provoking, as are most of the replies to the original question.

My dad lives in France. The uk election features in their news programmes, and everyone seems bemused at why anyone would want to change a winning combination (winning on the grounds of the economy I presume).

Mr Farage sounds a bit like your mate down the pub, the bloke who always says out loud what everyone else is thinking.

Decided im voting for this independant bloke :open_mouth: :open_mouth: the rest are all in it for the cash :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … staff.html

Check out how much they earn basic :blush: :blush:

parliament.uk/about/mps-and- … s/pay-mps/

Always a thorny issue MPs pay, you couldn’t pay me enough to be one, all those meetings, no thanks. When you put it against say, BBC executives, some pick up over £1million per year, or nhs middle managers, it’s not that much considering they’re supposed to be running the country. There are plenty alleged footballers picking that up every week.

caledoniandream:
What is the best party for truckers, probably the party who stabilizes and growth the economy.
I personal think the Conservatives have done a good job, and another 5 year would give them chance to finish that job in succes.
The Green Party is for dreamers, yes in a perfect world they are absolute right to protect the environment, but i think a reality pill and waking up to the smell of coffee would do them good.

Nigel Farage and his UKIP makes me think of the guy in the pub who knows everything better, shouts a lot, is going to do this and going to do that, and when he is home its: Yes wife no wife, of course i will put the bins out.
He hasn’t said anything what even slightly impresses me.
Also is immigrant policy is very much: Do as i say, not as i do, his wife is a German immigrant, and Farage is really a British name■■? I don’t think so!

We see currently in Greece what happens to Parties who promise the world, no austerity measures, all public workers back in the job, 3 month later the bank is empty and they are begging Germany to help them.

Labour in any country where i lived has never made an impression, neither in the UK, they empty the bank and blame everybody else for it.
There is no such a thing as a free meal, you cannot improve the NHS and social security without increasing taxes and stealing it somewhere else.
and be under no illusion that only the rich are affected by tax increase, the volume of the poor makes it much easier to get a lot of money with a tax increase of the full width of the British working population.
Also countries running by the working man (what Labour pretend to be) never succeed, have a look at the former USSR, China and now Cuba, they all turn into capitalist countries to survive.

Lib-Dem never impressed me and turn as a leave on a tree, depending how the wind blows.

SNP only look after theirselves and would be very dangerous for England and Wales.

Germany, despite owning the EU and in particular the weaker countries within it - are not prepared to pay the fair and full “Maintenence overhead” which is giving pretty much ‘eternal cheap loans’ - or even “free money outright” to countries like Greece. If any mistake is currently being made by the Greek Government - it’s not playing their hand even harder than they are. They don’t have much in the way of bargaining power, so the only force they can give their declarations is to “secede if not granted” when it comes to foreign loans. They MUST be prepared to actually go through the “Grexit” - lest any further arguments carry no weight at all. Greece’s way out of crisis and debt, I feel, is re-introducing the Drachma and pushing the tourism industry out with it’s now very cheap devalued home currency. The best thing the Greek banks can do for the time being therefore is to build up their reserves so foreign speculators are unable to pull the rug from their newly-refloated currency so it goes into total collapse and causes hyperinflation. If Tsipras DARES to go back to his people and declare “Sorry, I lied about ending Austerity” then I think the consequences for him personally may well go quite a bit further than “losing the next election”. The whole country there really IS at stake - and the government know full well that this term of office is very much “Do or Die” for them. That result has no resemblence to what the ECB and Germany want for Greece, so the economic dance continues.

The biggest lie behind the entire Conservative machine right now is that they are somehow “five years into a plan that hasn’t even begun to work yet”.
This makes Cameron & Osbourne seem a lot worse than Tsipras and Varoufakis in terms of “what they have achieved so far” and any lies that need to be told to “let the charade continue”.

I can’t get past Osbourne borrowing more new money in the last five years than Gordon Brown did in double that time as Chancellor himself. Then Osbourne lies about all the current Tory failings (his own failings as he’s the incumbent chancellor) being “still due to Labour”…

Five years of deflation, no pressure on businesses that rip us off, no upward pressure on wages, nothing really done about the “expenses” and “News of the World” scandals to the public’s liking, and right now a “vague” at best definition at where the axe is going to fall in “futher cuts” promising ever more austerity when the supertanker should have at least started to turn by now.

I never voted Labour, and I’m not about to start now. I’m not going to waste my vote any more on some lying toffee nosed twit donking my taxpayer money away on everything except things beneficial to us folks at home here in the UK. I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Blair during Labour’s years of power pretty much for the same reasons. The only time I voted Tory was in 2006.

Winseer:

caledoniandream:
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Germany, despite owning the EU and in particular the weaker countries within it - are not prepared to pay the fair and full “Maintenence overhead” which is giving pretty much ‘eternal cheap loans’ - or even “free money outright” to countries like Greece. If any mistake is currently being made by the Greek Government - it’s not playing their hand even harder than they are. They don’t have much in the way of bargaining power, so the only force they can give their declarations is to “secede if not granted” when it comes to foreign loans. They MUST be prepared to actually go through the “Grexit” - lest any further arguments carry no weight at all. Greece’s way out of crisis and debt, I feel, is re-introducing the Drachma and pushing the tourism industry out with it’s now very cheap devalued home currency. The best thing the Greek banks can do for the time being therefore is to build up their reserves so foreign speculators are unable to pull the rug from their newly-refloated currency so it goes into total collapse and causes hyperinflation. If Tsipras DARES to go back to his people and declare “Sorry, I lied about ending Austerity” then I think the consequences for him personally may well go quite a bit further than “losing the next election”. The whole country there really IS at stake - and the government know full well that this term of office is very much “Do or Die” for them. That result has no resemblence to what the ECB and Germany want for Greece, so the economic dance continues.

The biggest lie behind the entire Conservative machine right now is that they are somehow “five years into a plan that hasn’t even begun to work yet”.
This makes Cameron & Osbourne seem a lot worse than Tsipras and Varoufakis in terms of “what they have achieved so far” and any lies that need to be told to “let the charade continue”.

I can’t get past Osbourne borrowing more new money in the last five years than Gordon Brown did in double that time as Chancellor himself. Then Osbourne lies about all the current Tory failings (his own failings as he’s the incumbent chancellor) being “still due to Labour”…

Five years of deflation, no pressure on businesses that rip us off, no upward pressure on wages, nothing really done about the “expenses” and “News of the World” scandals to the public’s liking, and right now a “vague” at best definition at where the axe is going to fall in “futher cuts” promising ever more austerity when the supertanker should have at least started to turn by now.

I never voted Labour, and I’m not about to start now. I’m not going to waste my vote any more on some lying toffee nosed twit donking my taxpayer money away on everything except things beneficial to us folks at home here in the UK. I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Blair during Labour’s years of power pretty much for the same reasons. The only time I voted Tory was in 2006.

Another excellent, true, considered post there Winseer, thankyou.

But please, you must remember to keep quiet about the elephant in the room, that pesky national debt currently standing at £1.5 Trillion…there’s only you and Farage seem to have noticed it, it’s the massive and get heavier by the day millstone that will quite possibly be the downfall of this country when world interest rates rise, and they will.

Quite why Osborne has managed to get away with media approval for putting us into this nearly doubled debt in only 5 years tells us all we need to know.
It’s quite amusing really, Cameron couldn’t get a majority even against the open goal that was the 13 year Labour debacle, and Labour can only chant the usual bluster about the NHS (any remember Stafford?) when the national debt (oh do keep quiet about that there’s a chap or you’ll be doing a Dr David Kelly) is the worlds biggest open goal that no dare mention.
Since 1997 we haven’t had an Opposition, because we haven’t had a competent government to oppose in the first place, difficult to oppose when you are the same people and would do more or less the same, manage the country for the EU and it’s big business pals who require worldwide cheap labour.

I too have never voted Labour, haven’t voted Tory since the pit closure program (mind you the Conservative party doesn’t exist any more so no way to vote Con if even if i wanted to), couldn’t waste me vote on the candle in the wind Libs.

I sincerely hope lorry drivers think seriously about things before endorsing either the current cabal of three today, or if they do vote for more of the same that they’re not disappointed when that’s exactly what they get.

You have my vote winseer :smiley:

Juddian:

ajt:
How on earth anyone could possibly think about voting Labour after the shambles they left the country in last term. Cast your minds back - Country was on its knee’s…Some radio station was saying every year since the 1940’s / 50’s on, whenever Labour have been in power they have left the economy worse off than when they took over. They just do not know how to run a country.

The economy is back on track now, there are loads of jobs out there. Yeah things could be tweeked here are there but the present government regardless of the thatcher years toff’s robbing the poor to give to the rich blah blah blah is doing a pretty good job of things.

Well yes, except for the £1.5 trillion (and growing) national debt elephant in the room, which currently the interest payments alone run IIRC at £43billion a year last time i looked and that at record low world interest rates…do you remember 15% mortgage interest rates when the tories took us into the ERM, i do, it broke many poor buggers who lost their homes and nearly broke me, only by working all the hours God sent did we get through…no one apart from UKIP has even mentioned this debt, let alone come up with any extra money trees to scrump.

That national debt that no bugger mentions has almost doubled in the 5 years this lot have been in office, some economic miracle working.

Well thank god for that if Labour had been in it would be more like £5 trillion in national debt and still no jobs just as they always have done. You can Argue all you like but the cold hard fact remains, a Labour government leads to job losses massive National debt and no fricking future, and I am not speaking off the top of my head but as a 64 year old working class bloke who has been through both sets of governments over the years, and I can say with absolute honesty I have always been better off under a conservative party, I am not saying that they do not have faults they do, but compared to the socialist regime of Labour it is the lesser of two evils by a country mile. But hey people have extremely short memory’s and tend to forget that Labour Bankrupt this country and left us with Trillions of debt that this government has been trying to sort out, And if you can cast your mind back to when the Tories took over they DID NOT MAKE ANY PROMISES only to say that HARD times were ahead for all in an effort to cut the deficit and they could not have been more honest than that. So have they turned it around Yes they have but it is still going to be hard, and if you do not like that then look no further than LABOURs disastrous economic policy’s, and what is there policy Spend Spend Spend and bugger the end result.

yoyo5:

Juddian:

ajt:
How on earth anyone could possibly think about voting Labour after the shambles they left the country in last term. Cast your minds back - Country was on its knee’s…Some radio station was saying every year since the 1940’s / 50’s on, whenever Labour have been in power they have left the economy worse off than when they took over. They just do not know how to run a country.

The economy is back on track now, there are loads of jobs out there. Yeah things could be tweeked here are there but the present government regardless of the thatcher years toff’s robbing the poor to give to the rich blah blah blah is doing a pretty good job of things.

Well yes, except for the £1.5 trillion (and growing) national debt elephant in the room, which currently the interest payments alone run IIRC at £43billion a year last time i looked and that at record low world interest rates…do you remember 15% mortgage interest rates when the tories took us into the ERM, i do, it broke many poor buggers who lost their homes and nearly broke me, only by working all the hours God sent did we get through…no one apart from UKIP has even mentioned this debt, let alone come up with any extra money trees to scrump.

That national debt that no bugger mentions has almost doubled in the 5 years this lot have been in office, some economic miracle working.

Well thank god for that if Labour had been in it would be more like £5 trillion in national debt and still no jobs just as they always have done. You can Argue all you like but the cold hard fact remains, a Labour government leads to job losses massive National debt and no fricking future, and I am not speaking off the top of my head but as a 64 year old working class bloke who has been through both sets of governments over the years, and I can say with absolute honesty I have always been better off under a conservative party, I am not saying that they do not have faults they do, but compared to the socialist regime of Labour it is the lesser of two evils by a country mile. But hey people have extremely short memory’s and tend to forget that Labour Bankrupt this country and left us with Trillions of debt that this government has been trying to sort out, And if you can cast your mind back to when the Tories took over they DID NOT MAKE ANY PROMISES only to say that HARD times were ahead for all in an effort to cut the deficit and they could not have been more honest than that. So have they turned it around Yes they have but it is still going to be hard, and if you do not like that then look no further than LABOURs disastrous economic policy’s, and what is there policy Spend Spend Spend and bugger the end result.

Couldn’t agree more Yoyo, i’ve never voted labour and never will, my point was that the tory party may have made some improvements, but you can’t get away from the fact that they have increased the national debt more in 5 years than nulabour did in 13…i don’t call that turning the economy round.

The Conservative party no longer exists, it died about half way through Thatchers second term, the present tory party are the new social democrats and the sooner it implodes and dies, taking present labour with it, the better.

As for making and breaking promises, ISTR a cast iron guarantee of a referendum and cutting immigration to 30 thousand, was that the same tory leader or was i hearing things again.

Interesting bet… I’ve just slapped on the biscuit jar money for “UKIP to be involved in ANY coalition” at 33-1 odds.

If Cameron beats Milliband - Cameron has the option of involving UKIP to beat Millbands attempts to quickly make a coalition of his own. Any hesitation by Milliband to do the deal with the SNP which everyone seems to expect of him will allow the Tories to quickly rally around perhaps both the Libdems AND UKIP to make up the numbers, and get them over the line - with a three-way coalition.

IF Cameron gets LESS seats than Milliband - Exactly the same deal is possible - but the pressure will likely be even higher to involve UKIP - as it’s highly likely that the Libdem seats alone won’t get them over the line enough for proper “legitimacy”. Any refusal or hesitation to do this deal (as Heath refused to do in 1974) will result in Cameron being replaced in short order as Conservative Party Leader - Most likely by Boris…

Thus, the hurdles a bet as depicted above has to get by are:-

(1) The Libdems losing enough seats to that their total alone is not enough to get either party over the line.
(2) UKIP getting at least some extra seats than the 6 they are currently expected to win.
(3) The Conservatives losing net seats compared to 2010
(4) Labour losing enough seats so that the SNP total alone would fail to get them over the line - Under pressure from rival and “better” coalition set-ups elsewhere.

It might even be worth a quid on “Boris to be the next PM” (100-1) - but this would entirely be based on the notion that "Cameron will dither, and refuse to do what needs to be done to get past any attempted Milliband Coalition. If Cleggy and Farage are offering a deal and Cameron pushes it away - Boris will take the proverbial knife to him in short order. :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp:

The beauty of “Ukip to be involved in ANY coalition” is that even if Milliband steals it - he might well need UKIP as well - especially if Labour lose net seats…

So many ways to win… At least as many as there are to lose. I would expect a bet like this to be priced at 4-1ish.
I’m happy to stick the meagre sub-tenner contents of my biscuit jar on at 33-1. A simple, modest fun bet for tonight - that could prove as exciting to see play out as any bet on the Grand National… :slight_smile:

trubster:
I like the sound of the tree hugging, ISIS supporting, NIMBY loving Green Party.

If the 20 tonne MGW comes in that would make us all very rich as drivers would be in extremely short supply.

Was it Millibland of Liebour that wants a NMW of £8 per hour? Pay rises all round for the company boys :smiley:

…If they reduced the MGW for the driver themselves (since part of any plated weight “includes an allowance for the driver and passenger”) - The drivers might be in even MORE short supply, because they’d now have to “make the weight” like a Jockey running in a handicap race… :open_mouth:

Just think… A previous 44t MGW down to 20t… Driver maximum tonnage would have to fall from around 120kg now ( :laughing: :laughing: ) to 58kg…
I guess the ladies will be taking all our jobs, and those drivers that look like stunted trainspotters.
I won’t be making the cut (in either sense! :open_mouth: ) so I guess when that day comes, it’ll be time to hang up my keys.

Cameron stated that he would not stay on as prime minister, unless he had a clear majority. So hopefully he doesn’t get one :exclamation:

I reckon that remark is worth a pint on Boris then. :smiley:

If the Tories get the most seats, but not an overall majority… Cameron steps down, and who takes over?
The reasons for him actually going could well be that “he won’t be the one to do the deal with UKIP” as it sticks in his craw.
It doesn’t matter what the reason is though. What matters is WHO replaces him AS prime mininster of whatever Coalition it would be?

100-1 for Boris when he could well be favourite by this point - seems like another value bet is to be had eh? :sunglasses:

Labour - I really struggled to find anything I could latch on to and Ed Miliband doesn’t strike me as a leader. I can’t ever see him standing up for the working man/woman nor could I see him standing up for the UK in the face of Europe.
My decision not to vote for them was cemented the other day when on 5live one of his party members said that although he set his promises in stone it doesn’t mean he won’t break. Really? It’s also a well known fact that after each Labour government they leave a god awful mess of the economy.

Conservatives - just general don’t trust them. It was made clear that cuts would have to be made but I think the fact Osborne has spent more in 5 years than Labour did in 13 is shocking. The amount of people who are now using food banks is undefendable. They just don’t connect with me.

Lib Dems - I gave some serious consideration. I think they did have to bend over a barrel sometimes for the Conservatives but I dread to think what the Cons would have done had they not had the bit of a pull from Libs. But that is as far as I go with Lib Dems. I don’t think they would ever get into power as a majority party and I think they would happily jump into bed with any of the cons or labs again given the opportunity.

UKIP - marmite territory with these. When he is given the opportunity to talk about his policies he makes sense. He’s not afraid to talk about the problems facing this country. Nor does he give any bull shine fancy answers.
Some people will disagree with him and that’s fine because that’s politics.
I want a vote on Europe. I want a stricter boarder control which will bring people into this country who can improve it. We barely have enough houses to house people.

In the end I voted UKIP. On the reasoning that I know we will end up with a Lab or Con leader. But I hope we can get UKIP into a position where they can hopefully be part of a coalition gov’t and give our government some back bone against Europe and to guide them to help the working people of this country.

I don’t expect them to win overall but we need change in this country and hopefully this election can get the ball rolling.

Dave the Renegade:
Cameron stated that he would not stay on as prime minister, unless he had a clear majority. So hopefully he doesn’t get one :exclamation:

I don’t recall hearing that, do you have a link?
I see you’re all getting excited about the kippers, it must be like Christmas Eve. There will be a good reason the bookies are offering 33-1 on ukip in a coalition, they aren’t in the business of giving cash away are they. Last forecast I saw was for Tories to get most seats but not enough to form a government, labour will lose big time but their seats will go to snp, together they will have plenty to go forward. Lib dems forecast about the same amount of seats. ukip were expected to win only one seat! And yes I was surprised at that myself.
I see it coming down to 2 choices,

  1. Same coalition again, with lib dems wanting various bits to soothe them.
  2. Labour form a government, backed by snp & a bunch of minor parties, greens, Druids, Irish etc.
    Don’t forget, unless the Tories get well beaten by labour they stay in No 10 until a new government can be formed. The real story of this election will start tomorrow.
    4am start for me so I will see how it’s going before setting off for graft, while I still have a job.

seing as im only back my holidays…im in northern ireland,ive never bought a newspaper in the last 30 years,have never voted, dont watch live tv and being originally scottish,then i genuinely havent a clue if theres been an election by nowor not…i was just wondering if anyone voted bnp? at least they might turn the tide if nothing else,and save the expense of building anymore fences at calais.everyone seems to want some of the issues that they seem to want,but few seem to admit agreeing with them.no waffling debates now please.ive just never spoke to anyone who said they would vote for them in the past,but there must be someone?

Never mind “what’s best for truckers” - the mood around the country these past few days is like “really ■■■■■■ off” like…

People are saying that "If this election result is valid - we’ve been outvoted by a bunch of hypocrites who wouldn’t DARE admit to voting Conservative in public…

Of course this is why the pollsters got it so wrong. Who’s gonna tell an exit poll…
"Yes sonny - I voted Conservative. Please form an orderly queue and wait for me to take my glasses off before throwing any punches please…"