the maoster:
Sumsmeister:
Winseer:
I’m interested to find out why some drivers still think “Voting Conservative” is a good thing for the industry… I can’t see how anyone can bring themselves to still vote for them as they might have done in the past (as I have even!) when they’ve kept on all the crappy parts of Labour’s so-called “reforms”, but failed to introduce the would-have-been popular ones spoken of in their “hot air” promises…
The Tories lost in 1997 because of lousy management of the economy. Interest rates went up too high for too long, too many lost their houses, never to qualify for a mortgage again.
There was no end to “tight” economic policy in sight going into the election. Major bragged “We leave Labour with a great set of economic figures” which just showed that with all that cash - the Tories just didn’t have the imagination to spend it on country-worthy things. They just hoarded it. Big mistake.
Come 1997 - the people were ready for a “Party” all right - A “spend it 'cos you’ll be dead before you do otherwise” party aka “You can’t take it with you” or “There’s no point in being the richest man in the cemetery” kind of thing. Blair was there to mop up all that desire by the elecorate.
Who have we got now promising us something different from the last five years? - Labour? Maybe if it were not for the unelectable Milliband… 15 years ago Labour had some capable ministers sitting at the Cabinet table. Now they’ve all but gone. So have their chances of ever sitting at that same cabinet table again.
The choice is “Change” or “more of the same”.
Change - which can only come from the SNP or UKIP. Scotland don’t like Farage’s brand of “change” however, and us sassenachs don’t like the Sturgeon version representing the other side of the same coin.
Are we really going to vote for a bunch of people we can’t stand - merely because we fear the SNP in England or UKIP policies being rolled out in Scotland?
This “Austerity” plan we’ve been lumped with is not planned to cease - ever! How can it be ever ended when we’re getting bullied out of our dinner money daily by Brussels, and we have had governments literally left, right, & centre these past 18 years that just won’t tax the people sitting on most of the cash?
I like UKIP’s costings with the savings are clearly laid out. We won’t be paying for India’s space programme nor HS2 for starters…
Cameron won’t say where his cuts are going to fall, which taxes are going to be raised… The EU will still get paid, as will India, and all those other dictators around the world with their collective hands up our skirts, always threatening the UK with “Help us out, lest we become a rogue state” standard blackmail as always. Time to cut all of these “foreign concerns” loose eh?
Milliband doesn’t want to ask our permission for anything at all, not even “staying in the EU”…
…And Cleggy? - He had his shot, squandered it, and now it’s time to see him standing there this thursday night without a seat like a deaf kid who’s been asked to play Musical Chairs at yet another proverbial “Party”…
If your local seat is held by the Conservatives - You can afford to vote UKIP. You won’t get “Milliband” instead unless people in Labour seats won’t swing to UKIP.
If your local seat is held by the Libdems - Well, like me, what have you got to lose by giving someone else a shot, having already gained experience in voting for a party supposedly with “no chance of being in government” - as was thought pre-2010…?
Got a likeable “Independent”? - Vote for them by all means. Wouldn’t we like to see another Martin Bell kick the incumbent out of Tatton again for example? 
North of the border - The SNP juggernaut seems unstoppable - and why not?
There’s no point trying to talk the Scots out of voting SNP any more than the Tories have screwed up large trying to talk people out of voting UKIP south of the border…
Accept that the SNP are going to get 50-59 seats (as they are favourite to do!) and counter it with a third party in England that has 60+ seats!
That party can only be UKIP.
There’s no way Cleggy’s Libdems are going to gain any net seats in this coming election - unless a bunch of non-libdem incumbents crosses the floor to Libdem by Thursday! 
…Not going to happen is it?
PS I wonder if Winseers post will be the most quoted EVER?
Only time will tell. 
And it was a bloody good post, answers like that aint ever going to be condensed down to two lines.
How on earth anyone could possibly think about voting Labour after the shambles they left the country in last term. Cast your minds back - Country was on its knee’s…Some radio station was saying every year since the 1940’s / 50’s on, whenever Labour have been in power they have left the economy worse off than when they took over. They just do not know how to run a country.
The economy is back on track now, there are loads of jobs out there. Yeah things could be tweeked here are there but the present government regardless of the thatcher years toff’s robbing the poor to give to the rich blah blah blah is doing a pretty good job of things.
ajt:
How on earth anyone could possibly think about voting Labour after the shambles they left the country in last term. Cast your minds back - Country was on its knee’s…Some radio station was saying every year since the 1940’s / 50’s on, whenever Labour have been in power they have left the economy worse off than when they took over. They just do not know how to run a country.
The economy is back on track now, there are loads of jobs out there. Yeah things could be tweeked here are there but the present government regardless of the thatcher years toff’s robbing the poor to give to the rich blah blah blah is doing a pretty good job of things.
Well yes, except for the £1.5 trillion (and growing) national debt elephant in the room, which currently the interest payments alone run IIRC at £43billion a year last time i looked and that at record low world interest rates…do you remember 15% mortgage interest rates when the tories took us into the ERM, i do, it broke many poor buggers who lost their homes and nearly broke me, only by working all the hours God sent did we get through…no one apart from UKIP has even mentioned this debt, let alone come up with any extra money trees to scrump.
That national debt that no bugger mentions has almost doubled in the 5 years this lot have been in office, some economic miracle working.
Winseer:
I’m interested to find out why some drivers still think “Voting Conservative” is a good thing for the industry… I can’t see how anyone can bring themselves to still vote for them as they might have done in the past (as I have even!) when they’ve kept on all the crappy parts of Labour’s so-called “reforms”, but failed to introduce the would-have-been popular ones spoken of in their “hot air” promises…
The Tories lost in 1997 because of lousy management of the economy. Interest rates went up too high for too long, too many lost their houses, never to qualify for a mortgage again.
There was no end to “tight” economic policy in sight going into the election. Major bragged “We leave Labour with a great set of economic figures” which just showed that with all that cash - the Tories just didn’t have the imagination to spend it on country-worthy things. They just hoarded it. Big mistake.
Come 1997 - the people were ready for a “Party” all right - A “spend it 'cos you’ll be dead before you do otherwise” party aka “You can’t take it with you” or “There’s no point in being the richest man in the cemetery” kind of thing. Blair was there to mop up all that desire by the elecorate.
Who have we got now promising us something different from the last five years? - Labour? Maybe if it were not for the unelectable Milliband… 15 years ago Labour had some capable ministers sitting at the Cabinet table. Now they’ve all but gone. So have their chances of ever sitting at that same cabinet table again.
The choice is “Change” or “more of the same”.
Change - which can only come from the SNP or UKIP. Scotland don’t like Farage’s brand of “change” however, and us sassenachs don’t like the Sturgeon version representing the other side of the same coin.
Are we really going to vote for a bunch of people we can’t stand - merely because we fear the SNP in England or UKIP policies being rolled out in Scotland?
This “Austerity” plan we’ve been lumped with is not planned to cease - ever! How can it be ever ended when we’re getting bullied out of our dinner money daily by Brussels, and we have had governments literally left, right, & centre these past 18 years that just won’t tax the people sitting on most of the cash?
I like UKIP’s costings with the savings are clearly laid out. We won’t be paying for India’s space programme nor HS2 for starters…
Cameron won’t say where his cuts are going to fall, which taxes are going to be raised… The EU will still get paid, as will India, and all those other dictators around the world with their collective hands up our skirts, always threatening the UK with “Help us out, lest we become a rogue state” standard blackmail as always. Time to cut all of these “foreign concerns” loose eh?
Milliband doesn’t want to ask our permission for anything at all, not even “staying in the EU”…
…And Cleggy? - He had his shot, squandered it, and now it’s time to see him standing there this thursday night without a seat like a deaf kid who’s been asked to play Musical Chairs at yet another proverbial “Party”…
If your local seat is held by the Conservatives - You can afford to vote UKIP. You won’t get “Milliband” instead unless people in Labour seats won’t swing to UKIP.
If your local seat is held by the Libdems - Well, like me, what have you got to lose by giving someone else a shot, having already gained experience in voting for a party supposedly with “no chance of being in government” - as was thought pre-2010…?
Got a likeable “Independent”? - Vote for them by all means. Wouldn’t we like to see another Martin Bell kick the incumbent out of Tatton again for example?
North of the border - The SNP juggernaut seems unstoppable - and why not?
There’s no point trying to talk the Scots out of voting SNP any more than the Tories have screwed up large trying to talk people out of voting UKIP south of the border…
Accept that the SNP are going to get 50-59 seats (as they are favourite to do!) and counter it with a third party in England that has 60+ seats!
That party can only be UKIP.
There’s no way Cleggy’s Libdems are going to gain any net seats in this coming election - unless a bunch of non-libdem incumbents crosses the floor to Libdem by Thursday!
…Not going to happen is it?
Winseer. A very convincing point of view. Certainly given me food for thought. I’m not one to stick on principle just because I’ve said it. This last week or 2 I’ve become doubtful of my original stance.
nick2008:
I was thinking on the lines of beer and loose women 
Harriot Harman… 
… MAGGY.T … Coal dust + sulphur + … + what any school lad knows in’t chemistry class 
A party that would (1) allow trucks to use red diesel,and (2) LHV’s and (3) get rid of all the over complicated EU hours regulations including tachos in favour of revised Domestic regs 12 hours on 12 hours off 5 days per week max.In which case while UKIP might be the answer to number 3,1 and 2 are another matter.Hope that was short enough.
ajt:
Who got us in debt?
The same pro EU,pro global free market lot,since 1973,who decided that a services based economy,reliant on oil export revenues,in exchange for imported manufactured goods,that we could have made for ourselves,was the way to go.IE effectively another Greece in terms of the net trade deficit and resulting labour market.Which won’t provide the wages,required to pay the taxes,required to sustain a modern industrial civilised society because we don’t have the industry. 
I like the sound of the tree hugging, ISIS supporting, NIMBY loving Green Party.
If the 20 tonne MGW comes in that would make us all very rich as drivers would be in extremely short supply.
Was it Millibland of Liebour that wants a NMW of £8 per hour? Pay rises all round for the company boys 
cheekymonkey:
Good post Winseer, although I wouldnt agree to everything. I know Im in a minority of one here, but…I dont think things are all that bad! I would like a box to tick where we just carry on as we are, Con/LibDem. I think theyve done a reasonable job, things seem to be on the up, especially compared to the EU countries.
Anyone from another planet would think that poor people didnt exist before this government took over. Labours record on the economy and immigration must surely make them un-electable. Although immigration is still too high.
When will people learn that you cant have everything you want? LibDems took a lot of undeserved stick for the tuition thing, but it was they who got us on £10600 allowance. When Labour left office it was only £5k+ a bit, but people are too whingey to see any good preferring to whine on about how hard life is. Im in a safe as houses Labour seat unfortunately, so Ill have to vote for a 22year old!!!!! UKIP guy and hope many others will too. Im pretty peaved about the Scotch influence in all of this mind, I can see them getting more and more resources at our expence in the next term and beyond.
Minority of two actually; and I daresay there are a few more nodding in agreement. My local man’s Conservative, and quite apart from the party bit he’s a good constituency MP; to be fair so was his Labour predecessor.
I note that Labour are currently banging the NHS drum so hard that the skin is close to breaking. Always a sign of desperation; unfortunately for them, many people nowadays are smart enough to realise that it didn’t get any better when Labour were in power last time. That latest stunt of Milliband’s, wittering on about putting a stone tablet up in the garden of Number 10, shows to me how politically naive they are.
I have a feeling Cameron will get in, as others have said you’d have to be mad to elect Milliband in, with his cronies like Mr and Mrs Balls, and the truly awful Harman.
The Brand interview and the stone tablet, plus the lack of learning and acknowledgment over the profligate spending by the last government shows how unelectable Labour are.
Cameron doesn’t really want to give us the EU vote, and I don’t agree with his foreign aid stance.
There is nothing in the UKIP manifesto that I disagree with to be honest. I really hope Nigel does well.
The WORSE possible outcome is a SNP/Lab coalition. Both parties hate the UK.
UKIP will be the big surprise I think possibly eclipsing the lib dems, the true test will be whether the majority of folk singing their praises have the courage of their convictions to put their X where their mouth is come polling day.
If so a Con/Ukip coalition could be on the cards but still feel Conservatives have this one.
Having carefully weighed up all the arguments for and against from the beginning of time I shall go with the Conservatives. Save your fingers guys I cannot be disuaded, this lady is not for turning.
Now THERE’S a question!^^^^^
I’d best not answer it myself right now, and move over and give someone else a go first. Talk about the role of Inflation in the economy 1970-2015. Discuss.
I can’t be arsed to write much right at this moment, cos I’ve only just got home from work, and I’m hitting the sheets as soon as I’ve done the school run.
Carryfast - There’s a two-line post seemingly yours above. That trumps this “short one” of mine for this page.
“Milk - On the rocks.”
Joe 90
Labour getting plenty of stick, but they are the only party pledging many truck drivers a pay rise. Minimum wage up to £8…there will be party poppers going off in yards up and down the country.
There are some decent people campaigning around here, as everywhere else I suppose, but unfortunately they are in the wrong party!
As individuals I can get on with them, Labour in particular, Rob Flello is a local Labour MP and also Government spokesman for transport, as well as being in the Bedford Owners club., so he does have some transport interest.
But there’s no way I could support Labour as a party, Tony Bliar killed it for me.
All parties have a view on immigration, but most tend to skate around it with vague figures, but only UKIP is positive about their view, which most of us agree with, but they get castigated as racists!. It’s not racism, it’s realism!
My wife is an Anglican priest, so obviously not a racist, but even she says there ought to be more control on who comes into the country, and preference ought to be given to Christians as the Christians in the middle east are having a rough deal at the moment, and we are a Christian country still, aren’t we?
rob22888:
Labour getting plenty of stick, but they are the only party pledging many truck drivers a pay rise. Minimum wage up to £8…there will be party poppers going off in yards up and down the country.
Minimum wage saw a LOT of wages go DOWN, my missus is a cleaner, and was on more money before minimum wage came out than she has been since, just approaching the same money now.
If drivers want to / are willing to work for sub £8 per hour, that’s their issue, don’t need minimum wage to sort that out for them, they just need some bollox to say “■■■■ this, I’m not driving that for that amount of money, sort it out or I’ll do something else”.
Most firms that pay sub £8 per hour basic though usually have other stuff in place that brings it to an ‘average-ish’ wage, bonus’, guaranteed hours with overtime etc
I’d say, in my time in haulage, other than some specialist drivers and the odd lucky one, most have been on similar money across the board.
What is the best party for truckers, probably the party who stabilizes and growth the economy.
I personal think the Conservatives have done a good job, and another 5 year would give them chance to finish that job in succes.
The Green Party is for dreamers, yes in a perfect world they are absolute right to protect the environment, but i think a reality pill and waking up to the smell of coffee would do them good.
Nigel Farage and his UKIP makes me think of the guy in the pub who knows everything better, shouts a lot, is going to do this and going to do that, and when he is home its: Yes wife no wife, of course i will put the bins out.
He hasn’t said anything what even slightly impresses me.
Also is immigrant policy is very much: Do as i say, not as i do, his wife is a German immigrant, and Farage is really a British name■■? I don’t think so!
We see currently in Greece what happens to Parties who promise the world, no austerity measures, all public workers back in the job, 3 month later the bank is empty and they are begging Germany to help them.
Labour in any country where i lived has never made an impression, neither in the UK, they empty the bank and blame everybody else for it.
There is no such a thing as a free meal, you cannot improve the NHS and social security without increasing taxes and stealing it somewhere else.
and be under no illusion that only the rich are affected by tax increase, the volume of the poor makes it much easier to get a lot of money with a tax increase of the full width of the British working population.
Also countries running by the working man (what Labour pretend to be) never succeed, have a look at the former USSR, China and now Cuba, they all turn into capitalist countries to survive.
Lib-Dem never impressed me and turn as a leave on a tree, depending how the wind blows.
SNP only look after theirselves and would be very dangerous for England and Wales.
