What party do you align with?

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
You don’t think that dying of radiation poisoning and a long term ticking time bomb of cancers caused by radioactive compound leakage and making a large part of this small Island uninhabitable and useless for agriculture, equals a nuclear holocaust.
The rest of your comments are as credible as that.
Out of the 4 other drivers I worked with for 15 years two went out of the job on medical grounds one with heart problems and lung cancer the other with heart problems.One died shortly after retirement age the other died before reaching it.
Good luck with your ongoing long term Jobseekers claim when you are 70 +.You’ll probably have been sanctioned off their books long before that.

Thanks, much appreciated, but I’m not like you to be fair. You saw a bad back as reason to ditch the career you’d always dreamed of, I’m not like that. Retiring, medically or otherwise at 44 even if as it looked at one point I’d never walk again and could only see out of one eye was never considered for a second. I spent my recovery thinking about jobs I could do if I never walked again, in addition to forcing myself to walk again, not how much my parents house was worth and how long it would fund me :wink:

As opposed to the truth that I was actually working with my ‘bad back’ up to and after the point where they had diagnosed the problem with it.Actually driving a truck around 400 miles per night without putting it off the road.It was my employer who wrote me off not me.
Also unlike you it was natural causes with a lot of help by a stupid employment regime and an even more stupid union, that caused it.
As opposed to you’d like to think that you can drive but the talent obviously doesn’t match the narrative.
Chernobyl was bad and a predictable result of nuclear energy.
To the point where it explains in large part the cancer epidemic that’s taking out 1 in 2 of all ages, more like 2 in 3, of us, everywhere that its pollution plume was carried to by the wind.
To which your solution is more nuclear energy and make everyone work until they are 75 + because we are all going to live until we are 95, when you can’t even find a job in your 40’s.
It figures.

switchlogic:
not how much my parents house was worth and how long it would fund me :wink:

You mean having always lived with my parents, in my late parents’ house.Mostly because of the economic effects of the best years of a working life being during the late 1970’s and all through the 1980’s and early 90’s meltdowns living in an area where one wage at best won’t even buy a poky flat.
The household that what compromised wages I did earn therefore instead helped to fund.
The house that now means, unlike you, I’m not claiming state benefits, having been ripped off by the change in Incapacity Benefits qualifying criterea since I started work and ( so far ) having an extra year added to my state pension qualifying age to add insult to injury.
If the government doesn’t want to meet its side of the contract, that it entered into from when I started work, then it obviously owes me all of that cash that I’ve paid in for it from then + interest.It’s clear who is ripping off who in this state run stitch up.

Is it time for someone to start a complete new political party, someone who will listen to the average normal person not a party out to control us
We are being told what car we can drive, that we will only be allowed to have electric in our homes even though only a few weeks ago 10000 homes where without power for 10 days, we are being told who we can visit, that we need to wear a mask when they have no evidence to support us doing so, we have immigrants coming here and being welcomed by our government we have people working until 67 to get a state pension but we have others on benefits all there lives and never made to work.
It’s time for a change

mac12:
Is it time for someone to start a complete new political party, someone who will listen to the average normal person not a party out to control us
We are being told what car we can drive, that we will only be allowed to have electric in our homes even though only a few weeks ago 10000 homes where without power for 10 days, we are being told who we can visit, that we need to wear a mask when they have no evidence to support us doing so, we have immigrants coming here and being welcomed by our government we have people working until 67 to get a state pension but we have others on benefits all there lives and never made to work.
It’s time for a change

Indeed it is time for a change.

But the way our political system is set up (some might say rigged) anybody aligned to other than to 2 main parties is on to a hiding. Look in to it and you will see what I mean.

Add to that the fact that if elected taking ones seat in Westminster means taking an oath that I, and perhaps others, find objectionable. To take their seats many well-known MPs simply lied in voicing an oath they did not agree with. Check that out too.

The change we need perhaps goes deeper than you think.

Dipster:

mac12:
Is it time for someone to start a complete new political party, someone who will listen to the average normal person not a party out to control us
We are being told what car we can drive, that we will only be allowed to have electric in our homes even though only a few weeks ago 10000 homes where without power for 10 days, we are being told who we can visit, that we need to wear a mask when they have no evidence to support us doing so, we have immigrants coming here and being welcomed by our government we have people working until 67 to get a state pension but we have others on benefits all there lives and never made to work.
It’s time for a change

Indeed it is time for a change.

But the way our political system is set up (some might say rigged) anybody aligned to other than to 2 main parties are on to a hiding. Look in to it and you will see what I mean.

Add to that the fact that if elected taking ones seat in Westmenster means taking an oath that I, and perhaps others, find objectionable. To take their seats many well-known MPs simply lied in voicing an oath they did not agree with. Check that out too.

The change we need perhaps goes deeper than you think.

Any new party in our “First Past The Post” system will be doomed.
I was never a fan of Farage and UKIP, but they were unfairly treated by our electoral system.
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Can`t see it happening but “Sortition” seems interesting.
Just as a jury, randomly chosen from citizens, judges the merits of a case, so a chamber could decide on policy.
No party machinations, or election promises, no career politicians.

So where is the new Farage? Would people vote for a new political party or have they now got so used to being told how to live there lives they are past caring ?

Farage isn’t gone yet but i have grave misgivings about him being involved again, last time he withdrew the Brexit Party candidates allowing Johnson a home run, that was after he left UKIP in a mess.

The alternative parties have not a hope in hell until they bury their differences and rivalries and unite to form one genuine conservative political party, we no longer have a right of centre party and increasing numbers of people are waking up to realise they’ve been had with all three main players making up the Uniparty, all reading from the same hymnsheet all to varying degrees to the left, all fully signed up to the great reset…re the front men representing those who own the world who have bought most of the worlds media so only their message gets approved broadcast.
For confirmation look at the vote last week, enough Tory back benchers voted against the motion to deny the govt its agenda had Labou done its duty and also opposed the motion, but Labour are in bed with the tories, the antics in the chamber are now but a farce, no more convincing than a third rate play by the local amateur dramatics society.

Those of a patriotic or conservative minded viewpoint have no representation now and no one to vote for.
Those genuine decent working class Labour voters also have no one to vote for, if anything the working class appear to be despised more by the current labour party than the tories and libs combined.
What champagne socialists and anarchist agitators forget is that whole swathes of the working class are genuine patriots, who want to see this country independent successful and a safe place to raise their families, Johnson offered this and more to red wall but as usual it was bluster (lies) by the tories to get votes for a promised genuine Brexit that turned out to be semi BRINO and now Truss is the new negotiator expect more concessions to the EU meaning even more BRINO, the red wall won’t be caught out again, fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

I have a gut feeling that Johnson won’t be there a lot longer, a healthy number of ministers are now arguing against a continuation of the present policies regarding freedoms/lockdowns and current policies, including at long last Jacob Rees-Mogg, who has been quiet for too long.
They are responding to the avalanche of mail tory back benchers, themselves angry, have been receiving from an increasingly disillusioned electorate, and yes i’ve written to mine and have have received very interesting replies around this.
Any tory MP with a conservative outlook must be able to see the danger the present regime has put the party in, this is hardly new they’ve been electing ever more ludicrous leaders since they knifed Thatcher in the back, i’m amazed its taken this long.
But getting rid of Johnson is their first issue, who out of the current front bench would replace him, the most profligate chancellor in living memory or the current health secretary who displays a dangerous arrogance.

Past caring? yes many of us are.
I won’t vote again until there’s a viable alternative, i shall never vote negatively ie vote for a usless party i’m told is less dangerous than the other pointless mob by a bought and paid for media of chancers and liars.
I will only vote again when i can offer a positive vote.
Chances are then i won’t vote again for the rest of my time.

Juddian:
Those of a patriotic or conservative minded viewpoint have no representation now and no one to vote for.

It’s possible to be patriotic Nationalist and not Conservative.In fact the Conservatives have proven time and time again historically to work more for foreign interests than our own.

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
not how much my parents house was worth and how long it would fund me :wink:

You mean having always lived with my parents, in my late parents’ house.Mostly because of the economic effects of the best years of a working life being during the late 1970’s and all through the 1980’s and early 90’s meltdowns living in an area where one wage at best won’t even buy a poky flat.
The household that what compromised wages I did earn therefore instead helped to fund.
The house that now means, unlike you, I’m not claiming state benefits, having been ripped off by the change in Incapacity Benefits qualifying criterea since I started work and ( so far ) having an extra year added to my state pension qualifying age to add insult to injury.
If the government doesn’t want to meet its side of the contract, that it entered into from when I started work, then it obviously owes me all of that cash that I’ve paid in for it from then + interest.It’s clear who is ripping off who in this state run stitch up.

Surprise surprise, it’s all someone else’s fault. That’s unlike you :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: Funny how my parents who are same age as you managed, like most people. With only Dad working from late 70’s. Funny that.

Carryfast:
unlike you, I’m not claiming state benefits, having been ripped off by the change in Incapacity Benefits qualifying criterea since I started work

Ripped off by not actually being incapacitated you mean? That ripped off? Couldn’t you find a back street doctor to take a leg off? Or just sign a sick note?

Carryfast:
As opposed to the truth that I was actually working with my ‘bad back’ up to and after the point where they had diagnosed the problem with it.Actually driving a truck around 400 miles per night without putting it off the road.It was my employer who wrote me off not me.

So why did you give up then?

Carryfast:
As opposed to you’d like to think that you can drive but the talent obviously doesn’t match the narrative.

The narrative put out by myself that I’m an accident prone fool you mean? That narrative? I’ve told you before you’re almost certainly a better driver than me from a technical point of view so not sure why you keep thinking this sort of thing has any effect. My exact words you you were ‘you’re a better driver but I’m a better employee’. I’ve not hitched my self worth to driving skill like so many. Just as well I suppose.

youtu.be/bi2_2ogPMvo

Carryfast:

Juddian:
Those of a patriotic or conservative minded viewpoint have no representation now and no one to vote for.

It’s possible to be patriotic Nationalist and not Conservative.In fact the Conservatives have proven time and time again historically to work more for foreign interests than our own.

If you read two lines below the one you quoted you will see i mentioned Labour voting patriots.

mac12:
Is it time for someone to start a complete new political party, someone who will listen to the average normal person not a party out to control us
We are being told what car we can drive, that we will only be allowed to have electric in our homes even though only a few weeks ago 10000 homes where without power for 10 days, we are being told who we can visit, that we need to wear a mask when they have no evidence to support us doing so, we have immigrants coming here and being welcomed by our government we have people working until 67 to get a state pension but we have others on benefits all there lives and never made to work.
It’s time for a change

It could be much worse with a bunch of champagne socialists running the show.

bigstraight6:

mac12:
Is it time for someone to start a complete new political party, someone who will listen to the average normal person not a party out to control us
We are being told what car we can drive, that we will only be allowed to have electric in our homes even though only a few weeks ago 10000 homes where without power for 10 days, we are being told who we can visit, that we need to wear a mask when they have no evidence to support us doing so, we have immigrants coming here and being welcomed by our government we have people working until 67 to get a state pension but we have others on benefits all there lives and never made to work.
It’s time for a change

It could be much worse with a bunch of champagne socialists running the show.

The amount of people who justify the worst government of my lifetime by coming out with nonsense like this is mind boggling.

bigstraight6:

mac12:
Is it time for someone to start a complete new political party, someone who will listen to the average normal person not a party out to control us
We are being told what car we can drive, that we will only be allowed to have electric in our homes even though only a few weeks ago 10000 homes where without power for 10 days, we are being told who we can visit, that we need to wear a mask when they have no evidence to support us doing so, we have immigrants coming here and being welcomed by our government we have people working until 67 to get a state pension but we have others on benefits all there lives and never made to work.
It’s time for a change

It could be much worse with a bunch of champagne socialists running the show.

Here we are drifting along with a lack of Covid direction, export/import trade going down the chute, an under-funded health service, education levels at schools needing the exam grades downgraded repeatedly led by Brexit-fixated cheese and wine guzzling fools and you say it could be worse? Really?

Britain needs its population to wake up to the fact that our self-serving leaders are simply not up to job. I agree that changing over to a Labour Government would not change much at all.

What to do, eh?

The current tory government is basically a bunch of champange socialists lol.
The amount of ‘free money’ they are throwing about is frankly nuts.

mac12:
Is it time for someone to start a complete new political party, someone who will listen to the average normal person not a party out to control us
We are being told what car we can drive, that we will only be allowed to have electric in our homes even though only a few weeks ago 10000 homes where without power for 10 days, we are being told who we can visit, that we need to wear a mask when they have no evidence to support us doing so, we have immigrants coming here and being welcomed by our government we have people working until 67 to get a state pension but we have others on benefits all there lives and never made to work.
It’s time for a change

thats impossible, the whole purpose of a government is to control people. best become an anarchist and just ignore them all

havent you realised during the last 2 years the average normal person wants to be controlled. very scary

chrisdalott:
havent you realised during the last 2 years the average normal person wants to be controlled. very scary

Well I’ve certainly noticed it.
Don’t want to turn this into another Covid thread, but it certainly fascinates me how so many people are just so willing to give up basic everyday freedoms and even ways of life wuthout question, just because some governing body tells them to, and explains why…they just seem to ■■■■ it up with great enthusiasm and without actually questioning stuff.
Just look on here for examples of this.
The ones that I can not fathom are those that are either anti party, anti government, or both, but still just go along with things…and with great enthusiasm into the bargain. :open_mouth:

chrisdalott:
havent you realised during the last 2 years the average normal person wants to be controlled. very scary

Well I’ve certainly noticed it.
Don’t want to turn this into another Covid thread, but it certainly fascinates me how so many people are just so willing to give up basic everyday freedoms and even ways of life without question, just because some governing body tells them to, and explains why…they just seem to ■■■■ it up with great enthusiasm and without actually questioning stuff.
Just look on here alone as one example of this. :bulb:
The ones that I can not fathom are those that are either anti party, anti government, or both, but still just go along with things…and with great enthusiasm into the bargain. :open_mouth:

I still say that this Covid thing is being taken advantage of to conduct some kind of social experiment,.an experiment that has been pending for years until the right opportunity or event came up to implement it…and this is it,.and it has been grasped with both hands until the juice has been sucked out of it, resulting in the crap situation we are all in now…as well as the genuine aspects of Covid running in conjunction, people out of work etc. although grossly exaggerated in said experiment…that is my view for what it is worth anyway. :smiley:

robroy:
The ones that I can not fathom are those that are either anti party, anti government, or both, but still just go along with things…and with great enthusiasm into the bargain. :open_mouth:

Maybe we’re more rebels than you’re giving us credit for.
Just that we might reject and accept different parts of the narrative.Overall that still means a deep seated mistrust of the control freaks who are running this circus.
Just found out recently that I’ve got Covid you can’t mistake it every breath is like someone is chopping up my lungs, especially the right one, with a hot knife.
But it didn’t fit any of the bs sore throat and temeperature narrative.Was sitting watching the tele when suddenly felt like I’d run a marathon, heart rate suddenly jumped to 95 pm blood pressure went to 190 over 80 and feels like there’s an elephant sitting on my chest and every breath is like red hot needles.Did two lateral flow tests the second one is a much clearer positive than the first one all that happened feeling fine to like a respiratory case in a matter of a few hours.
Weapons grade crap just like I thought but that obviously doesn’t mean that I trust the government who allowed it in, to fix it all.
Just like I don’t buy Boris’ nuclear and biomass fuelled utopia at 26p per kwh so he can export our cheap safe oil and gas.