To quote Adam277: “I agree with the state pension increase. Life expectancy has soared and the system was not designed for so many ppl living 80+”.
Another reason for the need to increase the age (not as far as 75 though, in my opinion) is that a much higher proportion of young ‘uns stay on in further education of some sort and don’t get a full-time job until their early twenties. That reduces the number of years’ worth of contributions they will pay over their working life, unless they retire proportionately later. In my day (I left at 15 in 1969) most “working class” kids left school at 15 or 16 and started work straight away. College or University was mainly for the more privileged kids, whose parents could afford to send them into higher education.
I would also imagine that the State Pension System was originally set up based on a higher percentage level of employment than the country has had for several decades.
The state pension was set up when people, men especially, didn’t live much past their retirement age, it was also set up when we weren’t keeping and paying the full costs of so many unentitled with the taxes taken from so few net contributors.
It doesn’t matter which brand of the uniparty gets in or who controls them, its all over, the country as it was with all its faults is finished all bar the shouting finger pointing and recriminations…time for a distraction Rupert…oh look Boris attended a party shock horror gasp, carry on, as you were, and another bus went past.
Juddian:
The state pension was set up when people, men especially, didn’t live much past their retirement age, it was also set up when we weren’t keeping and paying the full costs of so many unentitled with the taxes taken from so few net contributors.
It doesn’t matter which brand of the uniparty gets in or who controls them, its all over, the country as it was with all its faults is finished all bar the shouting finger pointing and recriminations…time for a distraction Rupert…oh look Boris attended a party shock horror gasp, carry on, as you were, and another bus went past.
That last bit is interesting.
Engineering distractions by “throwing a dead cat on the table”!
The present Gov are getting a bit confused now though:
Are they distracting us from
Breixt and NI, with Cash for MPs?
Covid parties, with Frost resigning?
Cronyism, with Covid measures?
NHS underspend, with Brexit?
More stinky dead cats than a Reliant Robin rally.
adam277:
Carryfast:
Juddian:
I have no party, the main 2.5 parties are dead and form the uniparty between them.
I’m a natural conservative
The same Conservatives that effectively broke the country in the 1930’s and almost got us overrun by Germany because of defence budget cuts.
The party of Heath, Thatcher, Major, Cameron and now Bozo.
Then just when I thought IDS might be the solution I find out that he is backing a state pension age increase to 75.
While the Party that has stated an intention to end private car ownership/use is now moaning about Kahn ripping off car users by charging them to drive within their own counties.
When it was the Tories who turned them into London Boroughs thereby gifting Kahn his power base.
I agree with the state pension increase. Life expectancy has soared and the system was not designed for so many ppl living 80+.
Why do the baby boomers get it so easy? They have had it pretty good most of their lives
Ironically most of my circle of relatives and friends on average are dying at a younger age than my Grandparents’ generation.Including my own Mum and Aunt who died a lot younger than their Mother.Also numerous cousins that have died before 75.
Now seeing others who are dying of cancer in their 40’s and 50’s and definitely won’t see their 60th birthdays and one who probably won’t make it to see her 30 year old Son’s wedding probably having to go into a Hospice in her 50’s.
Cancer is now taking 1 in 2 people there’s generally no cure and it’s guaranteed fatal and many 30-50’s, let alone the around 70’s baby boomer generation, are going out that way.
Have to say you’re talking self entitled younger generation brainwashed crap and find it offensive.
Juddian:
The state pension was set up when people, men especially, didn’t live much past their retirement age, it was also set up when we weren’t keeping and paying the full costs of so many unentitled with the taxes taken from so few net contributors.
It doesn’t matter which brand of the uniparty gets in or who controls them, its all over, the country as it was with all its faults is finished all bar the shouting finger pointing and recriminations…time for a distraction Rupert…oh look Boris attended a party shock horror gasp, carry on, as you were, and another bus went past.
70 year old knackered ex truck drivers, lost their licence on medical grounds, pushed onto JSA competing for work with 20’s in an over supplied job market.Then dying without ever claiming their pension is the reality of what you’re selling.
The only sensible vote can be Labour in that environment it can only possibly be least worst.
Hopefully then we can get back to a proper income tax regime which takes the most from those who are earning it.
Carryfast:
adam277:
Carryfast:
Juddian:
I have no party, the main 2.5 parties are dead and form the uniparty between them.
I’m a natural conservative
The same Conservatives that effectively broke the country in the 1930’s and almost got us overrun by Germany because of defence budget cuts.
The party of Heath, Thatcher, Major, Cameron and now Bozo.
Then just when I thought IDS might be the solution I find out that he is backing a state pension age increase to 75.
While the Party that has stated an intention to end private car ownership/use is now moaning about Kahn ripping off car users by charging them to drive within their own counties.
When it was the Tories who turned them into London Boroughs thereby gifting Kahn his power base.
I agree with the state pension increase. Life expectancy has soared and the system was not designed for so many ppl living 80+.
Why do the baby boomers get it so easy? They have had it pretty good most of their lives
Have to say you’re talking self entitled younger generation brainwashed crap and find it offensive.
Personal experience is unimportant statistics matter. People on average are living longer.
So self entitled younger generation? ■■■■ off. the younger generation have been forced to pay into a private pension since they started work. Something your lot should of done. Instead of coasting in cash in hand jobs without even paying NI or paying into a private pension while expecting the state to look after you.
theguardian.com/money/2010/ … ll-workers
Whereas the boomers not only got cheap affordable housing, a lower pension age and a triple lock pension that thankfully has been suspended. But also a tory government that has gone out of its way to please them. Be it free travel, not having to pay tv licence and ‘winter fuel’ payments that the majority of them dont even need. Including my grandmother.
Oh, and you also got older people who are working for longer while collecting their state pension. Making it more difficult for younger people to find work. Which was a huge problem during the previous recession between 2007-2020. Yea, its a bit better now due to the current climate. But its still an issue.
I have no issue with people working as long as they want. But when I speak to these older guys still working. The majority say they dont even need to work they just do it due to boredom or to many some spending money.
So yea, I do think baby boomers have got it easy. You wont see my generation just working for fun when we end up retiring because no doubt the retirement age will be about 80-85 when I retire. (I am 29 now).
Carryfast:
Have to say you’re talking self entitled younger generation brainwashed crap and find it offensive.
You calling anyone self entitled is hilariously ironic
Well done Adam, insulting whole swathes of decent honourable older people who have never been a drain on the national ■■■■■, too proud to claim what was rightfully theirs and working, like their fathers often worked solidly through illness because they were brought up, like their fathers with a sense of duty to provide for their loved ones and themselves.
I hope you keep that post and look back at it in 30 years time.
Millions of working class baby boomers never got on the gravy train during their lives, you don’t hear them all crying in their soup because the world isn’t a socialist idealists ■■■■■■■■■…when you do get socialism it usually ends up a totalitarian ruined state where life means the square root of bugger all, shortly the present blue shirted team of the uniparty will be treating you to a ringside seat.
As for being allowed to work solidly since age 15, that’s some privelidge.
adam277:
Carryfast:
Personal experience is unimportant statistics matter. People on average are living longer.
So self entitled younger generation? [zb] off. the younger generation have been forced to pay into a private pension since they started work. Something your lot should of done. Instead of coasting in cash in hand jobs without even paying NI or paying into a private pension while expecting the state to look after you.
theguardian.com/money/2010/ … ll-workers
Whereas the boomers not only got cheap affordable housing, a lower pension age and a triple lock pension that thankfully has been suspended. But also a tory government that has gone out of its way to please them. Be it free travel, not having to pay tv licence and ‘winter fuel’ payments that the majority of them dont even need. Including my grandmother.
Oh, and you also got older people who are working for longer while collecting their state pension. Making it more difficult for younger people to find work. Which was a huge problem during the previous recession between 2007-2020. Yea, its a bit better now due to the current climate. But its still an issue.
I have no issue with people working as long as they want. But when I speak to these older guys still working. The majority say they dont even need to work they just do it due to boredom or to many some spending money.
So yea, I do think baby boomers have got it easy. You wont see my generation just working for fun when we end up retiring because no doubt the retirement age will be about 80-85 when I retire. (I am 29 now).
Firstly baby boomers means born mid/late 1940’s maybe early 1950’s.Many of those are already dead if not close to it.
They’re already claiming their pensions the youngest of them are now in their late 60’s or well into their 70’s.They were only lucky because they lived the best years of their lives before this country had thrown its economy away to the Euro and Global free market and they wouldn’t take crap from governments and the employer classes.
I’m actually end of the 1950’s generations so not a baby boomer and now a few years from pension age which has already been ripped off by a year.
I also paid into a private pension which I couldn’t maintain through the 1980’s and 1990’s crashes before you were born.IE a very different world to the late 1950’s-early 70’s that the ‘baby boomers’ lived through.
You’re 29 you’ve obviously got a lot to learn and personal experience of seeing people around you going before their time, let alone the laughable idea that you’ll generally live until you’re 90, is worth more than lying statistics, put out by those with a financial motive in stealing our pensions from us whether the private or state rip offs.
Even by their own figures life expectancy for men stands at 79 which from experience is on the high side if anything.
Good luck with volunteering to wait until you’re 85 for your pension let alone over 60’s competing for work with those in their 20’s.
As I said 1 in 2 of us will die of cancer and that doesn’t care what age anyone is when it strikes them down.It’s as happy to take the 20-40’s age group as 40’s-60’s or 60’s-80’s.
So not only self entitled youngsters but also deluded ones.
You haven’t got the bottle to fight for your wages so want to steal the pensions and whetever else you can get from anyone who you consider as being too old.
No doubt you’ll change your mind when you reach your 60’s then you’ll want it all changed again to suit you.Luckily I’ll be gone buy then you’ll only have yourselves to fight amongst.At least those who get through the increasing cancer epidemic in which even reaching your 70’s is an acheivement in itself.
If you want to take all the government’s crap then you do it don’t try to take others, who know better, down with you.At least we had respect for our elders.
What Juddian said plus 1. From me aged 75 soon and on behalf of my dad who died aged 63 having spent 6 years of his life trying to avoid being shot by a German.
Carryfast:
Juddian:
The state pension was set up when people, men especially, didn’t live much past their retirement age, it was also set up when we weren’t keeping and paying the full costs of so many unentitled with the taxes taken from so few net contributors.
It doesn’t matter which brand of the uniparty gets in or who controls them, its all over, the country as it was with all its faults is finished all bar the shouting finger pointing and recriminations…time for a distraction Rupert…oh look Boris attended a party shock horror gasp, carry on, as you were, and another bus went past.
70 year old knackered ex truck drivers, lost their licence on medical grounds, pushed onto JSA competing for work with 20’s in an over supplied job market.Then dying without ever claiming their pension is the reality of what you’re selling.
The only sensible vote can be Labour in that environment it can only possibly be least worst.
Hopefully then we can get back to a proper income tax regime which takes the most from those who are earning it.
Dear Carryfast, I feel moved to say that most of your last couple of posts are mostly nonsense. The worst part is your statement that cancer is a certain death sentence-I have survived 2 bouts of different cancers and am back to full health. I do agree that the richer people in society should be taxed more. But that is not easy because they simply up sticks and move to a lower rate country. Then we lose all their tax! Not easy.
Juddian:
Well done Adam, insulting whole swathes of decent honourable older people who have never been a drain on the national ■■■■■, too proud to claim what was rightfully theirs and working, like their fathers often worked solidly through illness because they were brought up, like their fathers with a sense of duty to provide for their loved ones and themselves.
I hope you keep that post and look back at it in 30 years time.
Millions of working class baby boomers never got on the gravy train during their lives, you don’t hear them all crying in their soup because the world isn’t a socialist idealists ■■■■■■■■■…when you do get socialism it usually ends up a totalitarian ruined state where life means the square root of bugger all, shortly the present blue shirted team of the uniparty will be treating you to a ringside seat.
As for being allowed to work solidly since age 15, that’s some privelidge.
Generalisations are easier. It’s easy to get offended but I wouldn’t take what I said as an insult.
Just as on average the older generation i.e baby boomers have a much better work ethic compared to my generation. A lot of my generation now are unwilling to start from the bottom and work their way up. Manual labour type jobs are seen as more for foreign workers then themselves.
I’d also agree that a lot of older people are less willing to claim benefits compared to the younger generation.
Yea, I would also agree alot of the baby boomers did not get it easy. But again averages. On average most did. With exceptions being the miners who got screwed for example. Not only losing their jobs but the houses they owned being reduced in value to basically zero and the very places they live dying out.
Carryfast:
.At least those who get through the increasing cancer epidemic in which even reaching your 70’s is an acheivement in itself.
If you want to take all the government’s crap then you do it don’t try to take others, who know better, down with you.At least we had respect for our elders.
So it’s cancer that’s going to kill everyone this week is it? Not the inevitable (in your eyes) nuclear disaster?
In my experience the only people who whine on about respecting your elders are elders not worth respecting. Just getting old doesn’t wipe away a life of being a ■■■. Respect is earned by more than just not dying. God bless x
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Have to say you’re talking self entitled younger generation brainwashed crap and find it offensive.
You calling anyone self entitled is hilariously ironic
For context for those that don’t know he’s been on sick for what a few decades now for a self inflicted bad back 
But ye those pesky younger generation always asking for handouts.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
.At least those who get through the increasing cancer epidemic in which even reaching your 70’s is an acheivement in itself.
If you want to take all the government’s crap then you do it don’t try to take others, who know better, down with you.At least we had respect for our elders.
So it’s cancer that’s going to kill everyone this week is it? Not the inevitable (in your eyes) nuclear disaster?
In my experience the only people who whine on about respecting your elders are elders not worth respecting. Just getting old doesn’t wipe away a life of being a ■■■. Respect is earned by more than just not dying. God bless x
You’re still too young to have the ‘experience’.
The irony of not being able to understand the link between the increase in the levels of background radiation caused by human activety since we learn’t to split the atom and the admission that 1 in 3 will contract cancer was an underestimate just as the ‘revised’ 1 in 2 figure will prove to be.
The Tory work ethic means work until you’re 75 if you don’t die before the age of 60 or 70 all to save the income tax bills of the top earners and for the banker classes to steal our money to fund their early retirement and lifestyles.
What it does prove is what I’ve always thought voting Tory is not the solution to the wrong type of ‘Labour’ Party.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
.At least those who get through the increasing cancer epidemic in which even reaching your 70’s is an acheivement in itself.
If you want to take all the government’s crap then you do it don’t try to take others, who know better, down with you.At least we had respect for our elders.
So it’s cancer that’s going to kill everyone this week is it? Not the inevitable (in your eyes) nuclear disaster?
In my experience the only people who whine on about respecting your elders are elders not worth respecting. Just getting old doesn’t wipe away a life of being a ■■■. Respect is earned by more than just not dying. God bless x
You’re still too young to have the ‘experience’.
You know you can meet old people at any age right? And working in this industry as long as I have, and longer than you means I’ve met a fair few. My comment obviously written by a non geriatric.
Carryfast:
The irony of not being able to understand the link between the increase in the levels of background radiation caused by human activety since we learn’t to split the atom and the admission that 1 in 3 will contract cancer was an underestimate just as the ‘revised’ 1 in 2 figure will prove to be.
The Tory work ethic means work until you’re 75 if you don’t die before the age of 60 or 70 all to save the income tax bills of the top earners and for the banker classes to steal our money to fund their early retirement and lifestyles.
What it does prove is what I’ve always thought voting Tory is not the solution to the wrong type of ‘Labour’ Party.
But not the nuclear holocaust you ramble on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about whenever electric vehicles are mentioned? It’s cancer now? Or you’ve not decided what’s going to consume us all yet? A fiery Holocaust or eaten from the inside out in hospital? Choices choices
I’m more inclined to think it’s because you don’t know your arse from your elbow at the best of times
I’m not Labour or Tory so no comment on rest
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
.At least those who get through the increasing cancer epidemic in which even reaching your 70’s is an acheivement in itself.
If you want to take all the government’s crap then you do it don’t try to take others, who know better, down with you.At least we had respect for our elders.
So it’s cancer that’s going to kill everyone this week is it? Not the inevitable (in your eyes) nuclear disaster?
In my experience the only people who whine on about respecting your elders are elders not worth respecting. Just getting old doesn’t wipe away a life of being a ■■■. Respect is earned by more than just not dying. God bless x
You’re still too young to have the ‘experience’.
You know you can meet old people at any age right? And working in this industry as long as I have, and longer than you means I’ve met a fair few. My comment obviously written by a non geriatric.
Carryfast:
The irony of not being able to understand the link between the increase in the levels of background radiation caused by human activety since we learn’t to split the atom and the admission that 1 in 3 will contract cancer was an underestimate just as the ‘revised’ 1 in 2 figure will prove to be.
The Tory work ethic means work until you’re 75 if you don’t die before the age of 60 or 70 all to save the income tax bills of the top earners and for the banker classes to steal our money to fund their early retirement and lifestyles.
What it does prove is what I’ve always thought voting Tory is not the solution to the wrong type of ‘Labour’ Party.
But not the nuclear holocaust you ramble on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about whenever electric vehicles are mentioned? It’s cancer now? Or you’ve not decided what’s going to consume us all yet? A fiery Holocaust or eaten from the inside out in hospital? Choices choices
I’m more inclined to think it’s because you don’t know your arse from your elbow at the best of times
I’m not Labour or Tory so no comment on rest
You don’t think that dying of radiation poisoning and a long term ticking time bomb of cancers caused by radioactive compound leakage and making a large part of this small Island uninhabitable and useless for agriculture, equals a nuclear holocaust.
The rest of your comments are as credible as that.
Out of the 4 other drivers I worked with for 15 years two went out of the job on medical grounds one with heart problems and lung cancer the other with heart problems.One died shortly after retirement age the other died before reaching it.
Good luck with your ongoing long term Jobseekers claim when you are 70 +.You’ll probably have been sanctioned off their books long before that.
Gidders:
What Juddian said plus 1. From me aged 75 soon and on behalf of my dad who died aged 63 having spent 6 years of his life trying to avoid being shot by a German.
A German who probably retired on a better pension in a better health care system and certainly not expected to join the queue at the Jobcentre looking for a job at the age of 66 let alone 70+.
Carryfast:
Gidders:
What Juddian said plus 1. From me aged 75 soon and on behalf of my dad who died aged 63 having spent 6 years of his life trying to avoid being shot by a German.
A German who probably retired on a better pension in a better health care system and certainly not expected to join the queue at the Jobcentre looking for a job at the age of 66 let alone 70+.
A German who unless he does as he’s told may well find himself on the wrong side as 1930’s central european history gradually repeats itself both there and elsewhere, the current leader of the EU (Germany by other means as well summaried by Peter Hitchens) wanting a ‘conversation’ about whether the Nuremberg laws pertaining to medical experimentation should be suspended or repealed.
You couldn’t make this crap up, but with what envious eyes are our awful govt looking on and judging the timescale they can salami slice or ratchet the now obvious western world agenda in.
I was brought up in an old fashioned way and went to an old fashioned school, probably 20 years behind the time at the time.
I believed truly that such people as would inform-on harass humiliate violate attack then cheer on and in some cases help force the demonised of the period onto trains to their eventaul doom could never have happened in these isles, how bloody idiotically naive have i been, the last 22 months has been an eye opener to me, i never thought i’d find myself recoiling from so many who i thought of previously as my countrymen, they show all the same traits as those who went along with the persecutions of the Jews of the time, some through abject fear and surrender/cowardice, some feeding the crocodile hoping they’ll be safe, some gaining wealth and position at the downfall of others, foul creatures i wouldn’t want to be within 100 miles of, some plain members of the public/forums some media types some politicians.
If and when the current world wide power play has reached its conclusion, whichever way it goes, i shall never trust millions of my own countrymen again, finding increasingly i have more in common with a certain type of native dissident and foreigners who know what freedom means truly, having had either personal or recent family experience of totalitarian rule and want no part of where we are heading.
Carryfast:
You don’t think that dying of radiation poisoning and a long term ticking time bomb of cancers caused by radioactive compound leakage and making a large part of this small Island uninhabitable and useless for agriculture, equals a nuclear holocaust.
The rest of your comments are as credible as that.
Out of the 4 other drivers I worked with for 15 years two went out of the job on medical grounds one with heart problems and lung cancer the other with heart problems.One died shortly after retirement age the other died before reaching it.
Good luck with your ongoing long term Jobseekers claim when you are 70 +.You’ll probably have been sanctioned off their books long before that.
Thanks, much appreciated, but I’m not like you to be fair. You saw a bad back as reason to ditch the career you’d always dreamed of, I’m not like that. Retiring, medically or otherwise at 44 even if as it looked at one point I’d never walk again and could only see out of one eye was never considered for a second. I spent my recovery thinking about jobs I could do if I never walked again, in addition to forcing myself to walk again, not how much my parents house was worth and how long it would fund me 
