What logistics will look like in 2030 ( according to experts

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adam277:

jakethesnake:

adam277:
Should be noted though that the UK government currently hates all emmisions and are trying to get them to zero. I don’t think they have set out any plans for trucks yet due to their being no alternatives to diesel that arent a gimmick. If the government does change its mind on this though it could cause quite a big change in the industry.

I don’t see it happening at all though.

You don’t see it happening or you don’t want it to happen?

Im all for change.
But if the government isn’t going to force change then I don’t see it happening and how can they?
I think in a few years time once progress has been made we might see something from the government but atm both electric trucks and self driving trucks are just not feasible.
But that’s my take on it I believe that the self driving and electric truck push will probably happen at the same time.

Why are you all for change? Genuine question, what would you like to see changed?

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Drempels:

adam277:

jakethesnake:

adam277:
Should be noted though that the UK government currently hates all emmisions and are trying to get them to zero. I don’t think they have set out any plans for trucks yet due to their being no alternatives to diesel that arent a gimmick. If the government does change its mind on this though it could cause quite a big change in the industry.

I don’t see it happening at all though.

You don’t see it happening or you don’t want it to happen?

Im all for change.
But if the government isn’t going to force change then I don’t see it happening and how can they?
I think in a few years time once progress has been made we might see something from the government but atm both electric trucks and self driving trucks are just not feasible.
But that’s my take on it I believe that the self driving and electric truck push will probably happen at the same time.

Why are you all for change? Genuine question, what would you like to see changed?

I think autonomous vehicles will be safer simple as that. Also innovation in one field usually has huge effects on otherfields this will definitely be the case here.
Also higher productivity = more growth.

I’m being pretty broad but I just like technological advancements it pushes humanity forward.
Also I think this sort of technology will greatly improve what we can do we Ai and how smart we can get computers to be.
I’m also 27 so I know this will effect me. In the future and I’m OK with that this was never something I wouldn’t to do forever.

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yorkshire terrier:
Well after 24 years working in road transport I class myself as a bit of an expert so,
Here is my expert view of 2030,
It will be mostly the same,
We may be driving Volvo fh version 5,
Pay will be roughly the same,
The new daf xf will still look like the old one,
Eddie stobart will still be going bust,
Probably still be on here bleating about our problems :smiley: :smiley:
Seriously though apart from a few new bits of technology to trucks it will be the same,
Trust me Iv heard all this tripe before.

Yup as above, the big difference by 2030 is that the drivers still doing basically the same job will be servicing an extra 5 million people, and the roads are going to be a piggin nightmare.

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Please elaborate. Driving humanity foward looks like something you’d see on the side of a trailer. What benefit is all this going to be for you or I?

It’s all just buzzwords with no tangible benefit. Tell me how this is going to benefit us.

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Juddian:

yorkshire terrier:
Well after 24 years working in road transport I class myself as a bit of an expert so,
Here is my expert view of 2030,
It will be mostly the same,
We may be driving Volvo fh version 5,
Pay will be roughly the same,
The new daf xf will still look like the old one,
Eddie stobart will still be going bust,
Probably still be on here bleating about our problems :smiley: :smiley:
Seriously though apart from a few new bits of technology to trucks it will be the same,
Trust me Iv heard all this tripe before.

Yup as above, the big difference by 2030 is that the drivers still doing basically the same job will be servicing an extra 5 million people, and the roads are going to be a piggin nightmare.

No because immigration won’t happen after Brexit :unamused:

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Drempels:
Please elaborate. Driving humanity foward looks like something you’d see on the side of a trailer. What benefit is all this going to be for you or I?

It’s all just buzzwords with no tangible benefit. Tell me how this is going to benefit us.

No driver = lower travel time as no breaks. Will be great for trunking runs so should increase productivity.
But for me I think this push for autonomous vehicles will push article intelligence forward massively which can hugely effect everyone in unthinkable ways. You tell me what would a computer that could do what a human can do is capable of? I know we are miles off that but I think autonomous vehicles are one of the building blocks of it.

Ye I’m speaking generally because I don’t know what the future holds lol.

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adam277:

Drempels:
Please elaborate. Driving humanity foward looks like something you’d see on the side of a trailer. What benefit is all this going to be for you or I?

It’s all just buzzwords with no tangible benefit. Tell me how this is going to benefit us.

No driver = lower travel time as no breaks. Will be great for trunking runs so should increase productivity.
But for me I think this push for autonomous vehicles will push article intelligence forward massively which can hugely effect everyone in unthinkable ways. You tell me what would a computer that could do what a human can do is capable of? I know we are miles off that but I think autonomous vehicles are one of the building blocks of it.

Ye I’m speaking generally because I don’t know what the future holds lol.

Ask yourself who is pushing this and why. Whose interest is it in? Who is going to benefit from it?

Why are we so keen to push ourselves? Are we really? Or is it just that we’ve been told that it’s “good for us”?

There aren’t that many areas that require true expertise. Medicine, air travel, the finer points of nautical navigation, engineering, etc, but not road transport. All we do is move stuff around, it’s not rocket surgery. No need to complicate it by making it “smart” :wink:

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Some interesting posts here from all angles, it would be interesting to come back to this topic in 12 years and just see how much of it was/has been achieved?

I passed my class 1 in 93 aged 23 and had no idea or concern back then how things would develop in our industry, back then I thought a flat roof daf with a lousy ‘wardrobe’ compartment was the business and made me a proper trucker. Auto trucks, what were they, mobile phones, apps, mobile internet, etc, etc,etc. None of these things really existed but these days we just expect and take it all for granted. I had 4 years out of the industry, (2014-2018) due to a head injury and some huge failings at the DVLA/DMG, (■■■■■■■ clowns.)

I came back in January this year and even our very fleet spec trucks have lane control, collision control, adaptive cruise control etc. These days i’m pretty much just a steering wheel attendant. I was a little surprised at how much things had changed in just 4 years, such seems to be the speed these days that things seem to advance.
I still struggle to get my head round the fact that these days you can pass your test in an auto, and then be allowed straight out on the road in a manual wagon :open_mouth:
I guess manual wagons will soon be wiped out completely and in the future people will look back in disbelief and laugh at such vehicles.

I think automation, robots and A.I have come on in leaps and bounds in recent years, just youtube Boston Dynamics to have a nose at what the future may possibly hold?

I think we are still a fair way off of completely driverless trucks, but i am happy to throw my hat in the ring and say it will come. We all have the choice to ignore, accept or acknowledge it but it will happen. Fortunately i think i will probably see my days out in this industry, although it holds no real interest these days as it once did when i was a 23 year old lad.

A huge part of cost these days is the driver ‘itself’, (ooo get me being all non gender specific friendly.) If the fat cat bosses who are only really interested in themselves and their shareholders, can save a huge % of cost by swapping to A.I and driverless trucks then they will. No wages, holiday and sick pay, pensions, no specific terms and conditions to worry about they’ll be signing up at the first available opportunity.

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chilistrucker:
I think we are still a fair way off of completely driverless trucks, but i am happy to throw my hat in the ring and say it will come. We all have the choice to ignore, accept or acknowledge it but it will happen. Fortunately i think i will probably see my days out in this industry, although it holds no real interest these days as it once did when i was a 23 year old lad.

A huge part of cost these days is the driver ‘itself’, (ooo get me being all non gender specific friendly.) If the fat cat bosses who are only really interested in themselves and their shareholders, can save a huge % of cost by swapping to A.I and driverless trucks then they will. No wages, holiday and sick pay, pensions, no specific terms and conditions to worry about they’ll be signing up at the first available opportunity.

Yep the only issue is that driverless trucks really need to be trusted by the public to be on the roads themselves. Which will only make the push in AI advancement come even faster.
It is quite far off though I drove a Scania with emergency braking and it kept warning me I was going to crash every-time it saw brake lights even though they were parked…

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chilistrucker:
Some interesting posts here from all angles, it would be interesting to come back to this topic in 12 years and just see how much of it was/has been achieved?

I passed my class 1 in 93 aged 23 and had no idea or concern back then how things would develop in our industry, back then I thought a flat roof daf with a lousy ‘wardrobe’ compartment was the business and made me a proper trucker. Auto trucks, what were they, mobile phones, apps, mobile internet, etc, etc,etc. None of these things really existed but these days we just expect and take it all for granted. I had 4 years out of the industry, (2014-2018) due to a head injury and some huge failings at the DVLA/DMG, ([zb] clowns.)

I came back in January this year and even our very fleet spec trucks have lane control, collision control, adaptive cruise control etc. These days i’m pretty much just a steering wheel attendant. I was a little surprised at how much things had changed in just 4 years, such seems to be the speed these days that things seem to advance.
I still struggle to get my head round the fact that these days you can pass your test in an auto, and then be allowed straight out on the road in a manual wagon :open_mouth:
I guess manual wagons will soon be wiped out completely and in the future people will look back in disbelief and laugh at such vehicles.

I think automation, robots and A.I have come on in leaps and bounds in recent years, just youtube Boston Dynamics to have a nose at what the future may possibly hold?

I think we are still a fair way off of completely driverless trucks, but i am happy to throw my hat in the ring and say it will come. We all have the choice to ignore, accept or acknowledge it but it will happen. Fortunately i think i will probably see my days out in this industry, although it holds no real interest these days as it once did when i was a 23 year old lad.

A huge part of cost these days is the driver ‘itself’, (ooo get me being all non gender specific friendly.) If the fat cat bosses who are only really interested in themselves and their shareholders, can save a huge % of cost by swapping to A.I and driverless trucks then they will. No wages, holiday and sick pay, pensions, no specific terms and conditions to worry about they’ll be signing up at the first available opportunity.

A thoughtful and well thought-out post. I started my career in this industry in the workshop, doing my best to keep a fleet of knackered ex Royal Mail rigids on the road. A few months ago, I met a driver delivering the same stuff to the same shops in a knackered ex Royal Mail rigid…

The guy I worked for had Leyland Roadrunners, the guy I spoke to was driving a DAF CF.

It was ten years old, just like the ones I had the misfortune to work on

My old 164 did 9.5 MPG, my 2018 R450 does 9.3 MPG.

I first picked up a copy of Commercial Motor when I was 14, 30 years later the world is still going to end because of the driver shortage. Wages haven’t reflected the shortage of drivers in 30 years.

Mercedes had Promote-Chauffeur about 20 years ago, it’s still not finished.

They invented EPS but their gearboxes are still ■■■■■■

As I type this, ■■■■ Robin are on Radio 8FM Brabant, singing Remember The Promise You Made…

How apt.

I’ll leave it there.

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Drempels:

chilistrucker:
Some interesting posts here from all angles, it would be interesting to come back to this topic in 12 years and just see how much of it was/has been achieved?

I passed my class 1 in 93 aged 23 and had no idea or concern back then how things would develop in our industry, back then I thought a flat roof daf with a lousy ‘wardrobe’ compartment was the business and made me a proper trucker. Auto trucks, what were they, mobile phones, apps, mobile internet, etc, etc,etc. None of these things really existed but these days we just expect and take it all for granted. I had 4 years out of the industry, (2014-2018) due to a head injury and some huge failings at the DVLA/DMG, ([zb] clowns.)

I came back in January this year and even our very fleet spec trucks have lane control, collision control, adaptive cruise control etc. These days i’m pretty much just a steering wheel attendant. I was a little surprised at how much things had changed in just 4 years, such seems to be the speed these days that things seem to advance.
I still struggle to get my head round the fact that these days you can pass your test in an auto, and then be allowed straight out on the road in a manual wagon :open_mouth:
I guess manual wagons will soon be wiped out completely and in the future people will look back in disbelief and laugh at such vehicles.

I think automation, robots and A.I have come on in leaps and bounds in recent years, just youtube Boston Dynamics to have a nose at what the future may possibly hold?

I think we are still a fair way off of completely driverless trucks, but i am happy to throw my hat in the ring and say it will come. We all have the choice to ignore, accept or acknowledge it but it will happen. Fortunately i think i will probably see my days out in this industry, although it holds no real interest these days as it once did when i was a 23 year old lad.

A huge part of cost these days is the driver ‘itself’, (ooo get me being all non gender specific friendly.) If the fat cat bosses who are only really interested in themselves and their shareholders, can save a huge % of cost by swapping to A.I and driverless trucks then they will. No wages, holiday and sick pay, pensions, no specific terms and conditions to worry about they’ll be signing up at the first available opportunity.

A thoughtful and well thought-out post. I started my career in this industry in the workshop, doing my best to keep a fleet of knackered ex Royal Mail rigids on the road. A few months ago, I met a driver delivering the same stuff to the same shops in a knackered ex Royal Mail rigid…

The guy I worked for had Leyland Roadrunners, the guy I spoke to was driving a DAF CF.

It was ten years old, just like the ones I had the misfortune to work on

My old 164 did 9.5 MPG, my 2018 R450 does 9.3 MPG.

I first picked up a copy of Commercial Motor when I was 14, 30 years later the world is still going to end because of the driver shortage. Wages haven’t reflected the shortage of drivers in 30 years.

Mercedes had Promote-Chauffeur about 20 years ago, it’s still not finished.

They invented EPS but their gearboxes are still [zb].

As I type this, ■■■■ Robin are on Radio 8FM Brabant, singing Remember The Promise You Made…

How apt.

I’ll leave it there.

Thanks.

I couldn’t agree more on that age old driver shortage malarkey and the Mercedes EPS box :grimacing: God they were awful . I took one from Essex to Shepton Mallet back in 94/95 i think and every time i tried to down change on a steep down hill, N was the only gear it could find :grimacing: As a youth back then i managed to cook the brakes.

Wages also, boils my ■■■■ when you see the amount of firms that still think that in todays so called ‘modern age’ 8 and 9 quid an hour jobs are acceptable in this industry. I suppose though the longer they can get away with it the more it will continue.

There will always be plenty out there happy to exploit the cheaper labour from abroad scenario, I don’t blame the influx of foreign drivers as for them they are i’m assuming doing well out of it from their own financial viewpoint.

Once it was UK drivers turning their noses up at the ‘Poles’, then the Poles and Spaniards were everywhere in their new shiny EU funded wagons and road networks, gone were the days of seeing old Pegasos on the M40 in Madrid, double stacked with bricks. Now they had changed to Volvos and Scanias with fridges travelling Europe wide. I still see a lot of those same motors, still in Spanish livery, but often the tractor units have Bulgarian and Romanian plates these days.

Technology seems to continue to move on in leaps and bounds, but somethings will never change :wink:

God i’m an old ■■■■ :smiley:

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These Spinning Jennys will be the death of us. The Luddites had the right idea; smash the machines, stop the automation that will steal all our jobs. That Hargreaves has a lot to answer for, and I hear some fella called Arkwright has already improved it and made a water-powered model.

Mark my words; no good will come of it. They will be stopping children from working in the mills next.