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From The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations 2005
Article6
(4) A period of availability may include a break taken by a mobile
worker during waiting time or time which is not devoted to driving by
the mobile worker and is spent in a moving vehicle, a ferry or a train.
tachograph:
From The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations 2005Article 6
(4) A period of availability may include a break taken by a mobile
worker during waiting time or time which is not devoted to driving by
the mobile worker and is spent in a moving vehicle, a ferry or a train.
Thanks for that
If you want an on-line link.
From Department for Transport
About half way down under āExamples of a PoAā
Unless doing some other work (e.g. navigating), a relief driver who is travelling as a passenger would count this time as a period of availability. This time (or a part of it) could also be counted as a break - but would need to be recorded as such.
grumpybum:
Surely you can just write on the back of the printout that you have taken a break?
No need even to do that. In the case of multi manning operations the first 45 minutes of a POA will be assumed to be break.
Clicky Page 17, 3rd paragraph from the bottom.
tachograph:
If you want an on-line link.
From Department for Transport
About half way down under āExamples of a PoAāUnless doing some other work (e.g. navigating), a relief driver who is travelling as a passenger would count this time as a period of availability. This time (or a part of it) could also be counted as a break - but would need to be recorded as such.
I think that one is out of date now as it seems the first 45 minutes of a POA while multi manning will be assumed to be break. There is no way of recording it as break while the vehicle is in motion and there is no mention of making a manual entry in the current guide from VOSA. That means when checking records VOSA will just count the first 45 minutes as break when checking correct breaks have been taken.
ady1:
much easier to just loose the tacho .
Ayeā¦Iām sure no-one will notice the wires hanging out of the headliningā¦ 
Thanks fellas - I think I have all the ammo I need
If i can be honest here a minute. I think this POA lark is a complete and utter load of toss. Your either on a break, daily rest(ing), driving or other work(ing). Lets face it, if you stop driving and got nothing better to do, put it on break.
pugwash:
Lets face it, if you stop driving and got nothing better to do, put it on break.
I agree with you but if you are unfortunate, or should that be daft, enough to work for a company who donāt pay breaks then POA is the way to go as you will get paid for the time.
ady1:
much easier to just loose the tacho .
Are your brains really up your arse, Adyā ā ? This wonderful comment on what was a very interesting thread goes with your question about sand traps and blue lights. You wonder why I āpickā on you?? It is because you really talk a load of ā ā ā ā ā at times
losing a chart was common 20 years ago, but todayā ā ? different ball game me thinks. ā¦ though having said that many are posted in by regular mail weekly & weāve all heard of the variances of Royal Mail.
Maybe too many mince pies or Iām losing the plotā¦
daft question timeā¦
As far as Drivers Hours Regs go am I still right in assuming that Daily Rest Periods / Weekly Rest Period commence / terminate at the time you start/ stop DRIVING and not duty?
stevel:
Maybe too many mince pies or Iām losing the plotā¦
daft question timeā¦
As far as Drivers Hours Regs go am I still right in assuming that Daily Rest Periods / Weekly Rest Period commence / terminate at the time you start/ stop DRIVING and not duty?
No, daily and weekly rest periods begin when you finish work (end of shift or duty) and end when you resume work (start of shift or duty).
Slighty off tread, but feel I should comment.
quoting Coffeeholic
" I agree with you but if you are unfortunate, or should that be daft, enough to work for a company who donāt pay breaks then POA is the way to go as you will get paid for the time"
The bad news is, Most Agencies (at least the ones I work for)
will pay you for an (basic) 8hr day,
if for any reason you run over 8 hours, any time recorded as Break(s)
is deducted from the over-time payment.
( that makes certant, that if you need to run-over the basic 8hrās
that you make sure its by more than 45 minutes ) 
regards 2xQ
PS: unfortunatly, thereās a whole bunch of us who could be classifed as ādaft, enoughā
who are finding it hard to become attached to a permanent employer
(and hence STUCK in a rut, working Ad/Hoc for agencies)
PPS: my Monday morning āRing Around Listā includes local & Semi Local Transport companies
(not just the Agencies)
No harm in constantly reminding them, your out there and looking for work 
DoubleQ:
Slighty off tread, but feel I should comment.quoting Coffeeholic
" I agree with you but if you are unfortunate, or should that be daft, enough to work for a company who donāt pay breaks then POA is the way to go as you will get paid for the time"
The bad news is, Most Agencies (at least the ones I work for)
will pay you for an (basic) 8hr day,
if for any reason you run over 8 hours, any time recorded as Break(s)
is deducted from the over-time payment.( that makes certant, that if you need to run-over the basic 8hrās
that you make sure its by more than 45 minutes )regards 2xQ
Sorry, just realised I missed a word out. I should have written - āa company who donāt pay for some breaksā. I meant it as in breaks beyond a 45 minute break, I work for a firm who deduct 45 minutes break but only the first 45 minutes and all breaks after that are paid.
Okay maybe iām wrong but I thought the whole point of POA was to help reduce your average weekly hours to 48 or less.
Another point on hours. If I clock on at 06.00 and clock off at 21.45 I have legally gone over my 15 hours, but during that time i will have taken at least one hours break, so surely that should be deducted from my working day? 
This could be asummed as being more of a moral question than a legal one cause I think I already know the legal answer
knight:
Okay maybe iām wrong but I thought the whole point of POA was to help reduce your average weekly hours to 48 or less.
Breaks and POA have the same effect on the 48 hour week, neither of them count as working time when the hours are averaged out over the reference period.
knight:
Another point on hours. If I clock on at 06.00 and clock off at 21.45 I have legally gone over my 15 hours, but during that time i will have taken at least one hours break, so surely that should be deducted from my working day?This could be asummed as being more of a moral question than a legal one cause I think I already know the legal answer
The point is that if you start at 06:00 and finish at 21:45 youāve done 15 and three quarter hours overall and so canāt fit a 9 hour minimum or an 11 hour regular rest period into the 24 hours from the time you started work.
Itās the rest period of a minimum 9 hours that has to fit into the 24 hour period that counts, how much work you do in that time is irrelevant as long as you have the required breaks.
Thanks Tacho, I think my memory cells were attached to the roots of my hair when that disappeared
Lets get the quote thing the right way round shall weā¦
I meant it as in breaks beyond a 45 minute break, I work for a firm who deduct 45 minutes break but only the first 45 minutes and all breaks after that are paid.
I feel quite lucky then to work for a company who only deduct 30mins despite taking a 45min break minimum. Our agencie drivers, on the other hand, get deducted the 1st 45 only.