What gets to me is when you are parked up overnight, and in the morning the d.head next to you gets up at stupid o clock,starts up revs the balls off the engine, and sits on tickover for 10mins while he has his tea 
, then looks at you like you are in the wrong when you open your door and tell him what you think of him. 
USING A WHOLE MOTORCYLE BAY FOR BUNK ā ā ā ā ā ā ā SELFISH ā ā ā ā ā ā
Rob K:
ady1:
Fileep:
Fair point on the grammar, but I return to my original remark with Rob K, he shoots people down for having a different opinion to that of his own. Again, inconsiderate and arrogant. Healthy debate is fine, but saying things like you should be banned from driving for not agreeing with him! How old are you 5? I can take constructive criticism, I am far from perfect. I am however a considerate human being and believe in treating others how I like to be treated.dont worry,robk has become a very bitter and twisted individual since his SUPER STAR status got shot too pieces with that episode of getting lost on some docks, still funny as [zb] now,SUPERSTAR TRUCKER my arse
Allow me to refresh your ageing memory Rob 
I think you refered to the ferries as āBig scary boatsā 
Rob K, you are quite right and I am in almost in complete agreement with you and Coffeeholic, re this situation, apart from the fact I do not swerve out in front of oncoming traffic as you stated or implied above. Both lanes should be used to their utmost extent. Itās just that drivers up ahead in this situation are usually not assertive or aware enough to use both lanes and some behind are too impatient. I am in between, patient to wait my turn but not wanting to see others jump the queue. I do not gratuitously hold up traffic at all, merely, ātrundleā eventually to near the front of the queue from a short distance, allowing, almost encouraging, anyone to safely pull out in front of me should they desire, thus properly using all available lanes. This seems to me to be exactly as you drive in this situation, except I usually follow the herd and join the end of the queue to start with. I do not, again presumably as you do not, speed to a stop at the front of the empty lane as this would be potentially dangerous (with others pulling out) and would be seen as trying to jump the queue. See my actions re the Gregory driver as to what I think of people really blocking the lane. Yes, you should have some sort of sanction for that ridiculous standard of driving.
Snudger:
Rob K, you are quite right and I am in almost in complete agreement with you and Coffeeholic, re this situation, apart from the fact I do not swerve out in front of oncoming traffic as you stated or implied above. Both lanes should be used to their utmost extent. Itās just that drivers up ahead in this situation are usually not assertive or aware enough to use both lanes and some behind are too impatient. I am in between, patient to wait my turn but not wanting to see others jump the queue. I do not gratuitously hold up traffic at all, merely, ātrundleā eventually to near the front of the queue from a short distance, allowing, almost encouraging, anyone to safely pull out in front of me should they desire, thus properly using all available lanes. This seems to me to be exactly as you drive in this situation, except I usually follow the herd and join the end of the queue to start with. I do not, again presumably as you do not, speed to a stop at the front of the empty lane as this would be potentially dangerous (with others pulling out) and would be seen as trying to jump the queue. See my actions re the Gregory driver as to what I think of people really blocking the lane. Yes, you should have some sort of sanction for that ridiculous standard of driving.
I found that if I did it in the truck it āencouragedā others to follow my lead (including other truckers) and utilise both lanes, perhaps because itās unusual to still see a non-stationary truck still out in the soon-to-be-closed lane close to the cones, whereas the solitary car trundling along on its own is like the black sheep of the flock and everyone does their damnedest to block it . Imho, the whole āuse both lanesā and āmerge in turnā stuff should be a key part of both the theory and the practical driving tests. A lot of it is down to awareness as you say though. Thereās a huge number of drivers that canāt see past the end of their bonnet and donāt even realise thereās any cones/lane is blocked off until theyāre 10ft from diving into them doing 80. You only have to drive along any roadwork-infested motorway to see this on a daily basis. 
Rob K:
I found that if I did it in the truck it āencouragedā others to follow my lead (including other truckers) and utilise both lanesā¦
I find similar encouragement is often needed to get people, and by people I mean truck drivers, to go out to lane 3 when lanes 1 and 2 are being used by a wide load and itās ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle. You often see several trucks all trundling along in lane 2 and not daring to venture out to the forbidden lane. I get out there and go past and within seconds a glance in the mirror shows I am now leading a convoy. I think itās simply a lack of understanding in road use in both cases and all it often takes is someone to show the way forward. Of course you will always get some numpty shaking their fist at you for being in lane 3 or for using a perfectly good and available lane but the some people you just canāt reach.
The state the countryās in.
2 things really get my goat, 1 is peoples lack of using indicators to turn off junctions, or putting indicator on as they are crossing the white line (recently there has been more and more trucks doing this, its not just a car thing)
2 is people who do this
a private taxi
are they really that desperate for people to know their nameā ā ?
why not do it the old fashioned way and put your name/company on a sunstrip in the windscreen like people did years ago?
only getting garanteed 3 days a week and not being able to find another job is getting me goat 
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Doing the agency and finding that the usual bod has left his rancid bedding in place: Though it gets my boots every time, at least I get clean boots
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The fact that traffic is poorly managed, ie, at occasions where the relatively new phenomenon of having to āmergeā confuses the chuff out of folk - many of whom then try their utmost to score points on other road-users, and others who take my windscreen out half a mile before the bottleneck starts.
Surely, itās bad road management that divides us, starts us quibbling and ultimately stops us aportioning the real state of play to the leaders to whom we both pay our taxes and should, if they werenāt busy bossing/bombing/co-ercing towel-heads or smarming in Europe, act upon the rattle of our gums?
Fileep:
We have all been in roadworkās, the traffic going through the roadworkās can only go through as quick as the lead vehicle, if the vehicles were to merge earlier, (in my opinion its mainly car drivers not wanting to get stuck behind a truck) and reduce speed accordingly instead of waiting to the last minute then realising there is no gap then the driver in the left lane has to stop/slow down. Itās called being a considerate driver to get in earlier, I am sick to death of the attitude some drivers; [zb] you jack Iām OK. Thatās whatās wrong with society today, people are just inconsiderate, and you just have to look at this thread to see what bad behaviour shown by others which winds people up! Treat people how you want to be treated, its obvious by Rob Kās attitude he wants to be treated like a [zb] because thatās how treats other users who do not follow his views. We are all entitled to our opinion! Oh and another thing that gets my goat, spelling on here is abysmalThe auto-censor got both of those words as soon as you tried to use them. When it does that, itās your clue that the word isnāt allowed.
Dodging the auto-censor by using asterisks and other methods isnāt allowed, so PLEASE read forum rule 3 (which youāve already agreed to) and then PLEASE donāt do it again. dd.
Soooooā¦ if we follow the logic of your statement then lets say that the Northbound section of the M5 is down to 1 lane between Gloucester and Cheltenham, you must believe that the Highways agency should close the entire Northbound motorway down to 1 lane because that would prevent anyone ājumping the queue and slowing the system downā?
If thats not what you believe then, at what EXACT distance to join lanes would be the best, do you think would the most beneficial to traffic flow, donāt tell me, EXACTLY the point where you decide to join the open lane? Or do you think its maybe a little bit possible the the Highways agency may have put some cones there to mark it and put some signs before that as warning?
That just tells me that youāre one of the ā ā ā ā ā ā ā that thinks they have pushed to the limit and anything else is taking the ā ā ā ā .
The bluā¦ silly WTDand the poa, Ron Web , and stephen hughes euro mp, in small letters they are ā ā ā ā they way they jackbooted over the owner drivers of this country ,15 hour spread over dont make me laugh
What gets my copulating goat, is this child of unmarried parents, small front bottom-ing auto sensor.
Censorship is baad, mKay.
Coffeeholic:
Rob K:
I found that if I did it in the truck it āencouragedā others to follow my lead (including other truckers) and utilise both lanesā¦I find similar encouragement is often needed to get people, and by people I mean truck drivers, to go out to lane 3 when lanes 1 and 2 are being used by a wide load and itās ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle. You often see several trucks all trundling along in lane 2 and not daring to venture out to the forbidden lane. I get out there and go past and within seconds a glance in the mirror shows I am now leading a convoy.
Perhaps these other truckers might be thinking āif heās getting away with it then so can Iā, not realising it is legal in those circumstances. Getting off-topic butā¦ This (load of exceptional width thing) is only one of the legitimate circumstances where an HGV may use the outer lane of a 3 or more lane motorway where all lanes are active in the same direction, is it not? i.e. What are the precise āexcept in prescribed circumstancesā mentioned in the highway code? I know one other is āwhere joining the carriageway from the right hand sideā (canāt immediately think where Iāve ever noticed that!) and presumably where directed to do so by a traffic officer in uniform (or have i got that bit wrong?). Gritters in the middle lane have been debated on here before and it was understood that you may safely, carefully (and legally) pass on their left?
Coffeeholic:
Rob K:
I found that if I did it in the truck it āencouragedā others to follow my lead (including other truckers) and utilise both lanesā¦I find similar encouragement is often needed to get people, and by people I mean truck drivers, to go out to lane 3 when lanes 1 and 2 are being used by a wide load and itās ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle.
I always wonder: why the wide load do not use lane 1 and hard shoulder and leave two lanes free?
If there will be any obstruction, the ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle can then stop traffic on lane two to let the big one pull out.
orys:
Coffeeholic:
Rob K:
I found that if I did it in the truck it āencouragedā others to follow my lead (including other truckers) and utilise both lanesā¦I find similar encouragement is often needed to get people, and by people I mean truck drivers, to go out to lane 3 when lanes 1 and 2 are being used by a wide load and itās ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle.
I always wonder: why the wide load do not use lane 1 and hard shoulder and leave two lanes free?
If there will be any obstruction, the ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle can then stop traffic on lane two to let the big one pull out.
Come on Horace, youāre not that dim surely? Itās obvious. If theyāre trundling along the HS and then suddenly a broken down vehicle looms into view then the ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle would have to act extremely fast to shift all the traffic from lane 2 so that the wide load could move over, and as most drivers canāt see past the end of their collective bonnets, itās a recipe for disasterā¦
orys:
Coffeeholic:
Rob K:
I found that if I did it in the truck it āencouragedā others to follow my lead (including other truckers) and utilise both lanesā¦I find similar encouragement is often needed to get people, and by people I mean truck drivers, to go out to lane 3 when lanes 1 and 2 are being used by a wide load and itās ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle.
I always wonder: why the wide load do not use lane 1 and hard shoulder and leave two lanes free?
If there will be any obstruction, the ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle can then stop traffic on lane two to let the big one pull out.
the hard shoulder isnt a runing lane its an āemergency laneā eg breakdowns orā emergency services.
gogzy:
orys:
Coffeeholic:
Rob K:
I found that if I did it in the truck it āencouragedā others to follow my lead (including other truckers) and utilise both lanesā¦I find similar encouragement is often needed to get people, and by people I mean truck drivers, to go out to lane 3 when lanes 1 and 2 are being used by a wide load and itās ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle.
I always wonder: why the wide load do not use lane 1 and hard shoulder and leave two lanes free?
If there will be any obstruction, the ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle can then stop traffic on lane two to let the big one pull out.
the hard shoulder isnt a runing lane its an āemergency laneā eg breakdowns orā emergency services.
Yeah, I know.
And the vehicle should fit into one lane - thatās the other law.
So where this vehicle is an extemption, why they canāt go that way?
Rob K:
Come on Horace, youāre not that dim surely? Itās obvious. If theyāre trundling along the HS and then suddenly a broken down vehicle looms into view then the ā ā ā ā ā ā vehicle would have to act extremely fast to shift all the traffic from lane 2 so that the wide load could move over, and as most drivers canāt see past the end of their collective bonnets, itās a recipe for disasterā¦
Somehow itās working in Polandā¦ Are the Polish drivers smarter? Donāt think soā¦
what gets on my goat is when your on the M25 doing the 50mph, In the road works area, and you get people driving past you at a rate of knots. Even the Lorryās do it.
How do the average speed cameraās work?