What did/do you drive and how do you rate it?

My first motor was a Leyland Clydesdale 4 wheeler - took along time getting warmed up in winter but went well eventually
AEC Mandator eight year old when i took it over but would pull like a train
Seddon Atk with 220 RR gutless but my first sleeper
ERF B series day cab 250 ■■■■■■■ with jenning bed conversion fitted had to fold down to sleep but must admit one of the best beds have slept in
Sed-Atk 265 RR & 290 ■■■■■■■ getting better
Volvo F88 first as owner driver very hot in summer
Volvo F12 first model great motor
Merc 1628 F******* gutless especially trying to climb Mont Blanc
Man F cab 330 Flying machine
DAF 3300 lorry & drag (Jumbo) day cab with pod on top went like s*** off shovel with out trailer
Scania 113 280 gutless
Scania 113 320 lorry & drag jumbo great motor air suspention all round including front axle best ride ever
ERF EC with twin-splitter brilliant gear box if you are a LORRY DRIVER not a trucker
DAF 105 good roomy cab
DAF 85 crap cab

Bender:
My time behind the wheel of various trucks/lorries/wagons has been brief in comparison to many of you, but I’ve driven quite a wide range of vehicles, and these are the ones I can remember at the mo:

ERF B series - Flippin’ awful, like a shed on wheels *
Ford D1614 - hated it *
Merc 1614 - Loved it ****
MAN (don’t remember the model, late 80s) V. similar to Merc to drive ****
DAF 2500 - Basic, but Ok ***
DAF 3300 - Why’s the gearbox baxk to front? ***
DAF 95 - a massive improvement!*****
Sed/Atk Stratos - V similar to Daf 95 *****
Daf 85 - Comfortable and easy to drive *****
Leyland Roadtrain - It was new, and I liked it ****
Scania - various - liked these a lot *****
Volvo F86/FL6/F7/FL7/FL10/F10 - Can’t understand what all the fuss is about **
Iveco (old shape - 1980s) Horrid *
Iveco (Cargo shape) pretty good but prefer a Scania ****
Ford Cargo (old shape) basic but dull **
Renault (smaller than a Magnum) basic but OK ***
Renault Magnum - roomy, comfortable *****
Bedford TK/TL - Need you ask? *
Merc 1948? EPS - V. nice *****
Merc Actros EPS - also v.nice *****
Merc (the one that Tesco have) Basic, but comfortable ride. ***

That’s all I can remember for now…

Old thread but here goes, not all in order and i’ve missed quite a few out.

Ford D300/A series/D707 7.5 tonners, what can i say, the D series on Michelins were lethal in the wet so learned fast about vehicle control, good learning curve prior to getting me class 1.
Foden S39 Gardner 180 Bloody hard work, shook yer fillings out too, no power anything.
Leyland Badger 26t artic, went like hell, i liked it.
Ford D1000 tipper, went like hell, good little 16 tonner.
Foden S40 Gardner 180 Still no power anything but a lot more comfy.
Scammell Routeman Gardner 180, gutless but a very comfy truck, still no power steering as i recall.
Foden S80 ■■■■■■■ 220 power steering at last, bliss, good motor.
Leyland Buffallo I liked 'em, free revving and handled well with superb gearchange, cruise all day at 75 till it blew up.
ERF A, Mk2 A, B series, all except A+ had Gardners so gutless wonders, A+ with 220 ■■■■■■■ went well.
Scania 80, Dreadful.
Foden Haulmaster tipper, excellent tough truck.
MAN 232 column change, good truck, built like brick outhouse and as indestructible.
Scania 110, too low geared but would pull a house down.
Volvo 86, nice to drive, impressive little motor.
Volvo 88, OK, went well if lacking torque but poor all round visibility from tiny high windows.
Scania 111, a great truck.
Scammell Crusaders, 220 Rolls, followed by 290 Rolls, proper trucks these.
GUY Big J rolonoff, way underpowered but tough as old boots, quirky and affectionate memories.
Sed Ack 200, hopeless, wouldn’t pull you out of bed.
Sed Ack 300 Rolonoff, was way underpowered but Northampton Diesels waved their magic wand and it was then a flier.
Leyland Marathon E290 ■■■■■■■■ horrible.
Leyland Roadtrain E290 ■■■■■■■■ not much better.
Leyland Constructor rolonoff, would go anywhere the track layer could go, hardest ride ever, dents in roof from head, best brakes i’ve ever known.
Sed Ack 400, 250 ■■■■■■■■■■ but heavy on fuel, gutsy motor.
Sed Ack 400, E290 ■■■■■■■ good motor, fast and good on fuel considering the speed, poor lock.
Sed Ack 401 twin steer E320 (slightly tweaked) ■■■■■■■■favourite truck of all time, steering lock far better and a big improvement over the 400 in every way, would keep with R E Mason’s new Scania 142’s no problem much to their shock.
ERF C series E320, not as high geared as the Sed Ack or nice to drive and couldn’t match the fuel economy.
DAF 2300, words fail me.
DAF 2500, a good little truck, best handling and steering ever known.
DAF 2600, good truck.
DAF 2800DKTD, brilliant truck.
DAF 2800DKS, another brilliant motor.
DAF 2800 DKSE, down on power.
DAF 3300, disappointing, made better progess with DKTD.
Scania 113 sleeper, not a favourite, no rear dampers so a boneshaker.
MAN 331, what a motor, hewn from granite.
MAN 332 F90, not as tough or torquey as previous model but capable of 95mph cruising, apparently… :wink:
Mercedes 1625/1626, dreadfully underpowered but totally reliable.
Mercedes 1635 powerliner, good truck spoilt by stupid gearbox.
Merceds 1627, surprisingly good, proper gearbox helped, short sleeper on steel springs but best riding artic ever used.
Renault G Manager, simply hopeless, but being so tall could clock the totty in the outside lane with ease.
Scania 113 base model day cab, for small poor access supermarket and local work probably the best artic tractor ever, incredible steering lock and windows all round could put them anywhere.
ERF C series 300 Gardner, OK but banned from job smoked the building out.
Iveco 1624 Drawbar, rubbish.
Volvo FL7 drawbar, gutless.
Volvo FL10 drawbar, not much better but very reliable, all in all a good truck.
Volvo FL12 drawbar, a very underrated truck, prone to overheating but badly maintained, pulled strongly.
Volvo FH, not impressed.
Volvo FM, 380 or 420, good all round truck, auto gearbox best of the bunch by far.
Volvo FM/FH…mirrors designed by the works toilet cleaner, dangerous.
Scania 4 series, 340, 420, 440…ok, not powrful enough imo but very reliable, crap auto box best driven in manual override continually.
Iveco Eurotech drawbar, PTO on fast idle had me throwing up with the fumes, unreliable but fast, used more oil than fuel.
Iveco Stralis 450, auto garbage, more spurious warning lights than enough.
Mercedes AXOR, underrated old school truck, best in 6x2 form with manual box auto spoils it, simple durable drivers truck, i like these a lot.
MAN 480 (i think) with manual box early model of current shape, not a bad truck at all, though poor low speed guts as seems to be the case with many modern engines.
MAN 440, present model with satans auto gearbox, underpowered and troublesome, not a patch on old school MAN’s.
DAF CF, 460, present model , with manual box a proper drivers truck, chuckable and fast, auto box ruins this otherwise good little motor, poor switchgear.
DAF XF, too big and bulky, not for me.
Mercedes Actros 460, comfy and refined, would be good truck with a proper manual box, ruined by poor auto.

All in all i prefer trucks (and cars) of the 80’s and early 90’s, much simpler, able to be fixed without bloody lap tops at the roadside by a proper mechanic.

Thats enough, if you’re still reading you must be as daft as i am.

I drove a Komatsu PC210/3 that wouldn’t pull a chav out of Greggs :laughing:

Forgot to say JCB kit has never impressed me.

My time behind the wheel of various trucks/lorries/wagons has been brief in comparison to many of you, but I’ve driven quite a wide range of vehicles, and these are the ones I can remember at the mo:

ERF B series - Flippin’ awful, like a shed on wheels *
Ford D1614 - hated it *
Merc 1614 - Loved it ****
MAN (don’t remember the model, late 80s) V. similar to Merc to drive ****
DAF 2500 - Basic, but Ok ***
DAF 3300 - Why’s the gearbox baxk to front? ***
DAF 95 - a massive improvement!*****
Sed/Atk Stratos - V similar to Daf 95 *****
Daf 85 - Comfortable and easy to drive *****
Leyland Roadtrain - It was new, and I liked it ****
Scania - various - liked these a lot *****
Volvo F86/FL6/F7/FL7/FL10/F10 - Can’t understand what all the fuss is about **
Iveco (old shape - 1980s) Horrid *
Iveco (Cargo shape) pretty good but prefer a Scania ****
Ford Cargo (old shape) basic but dull **
Renault (smaller than a Magnum) basic but OK ***
Renault Magnum - roomy, comfortable *****
Bedford TK/TL - Need you ask? *
Merc 1948? EPS - V. nice *****
Merc Actros EPS - also v.nice *****
Merc (the one that Tesco have) Basic, but comfortable ride. ***

That’s all I can remember for now…

hiya,
Drove too many different motors to remember,but two that i can remember and hated and rated as rubbish was the Scania 80 and the Volvo f86, if i was presented with either of these “tubs” ever again, would chuck the game and do a proper job.
thanks harry long retired.

I never thought the DAF 95 was an improvement on the 3300, and I don’t remember the gearbox being back to front, mine had a ZF double H, the only Daf with a back to front gearbox I can remember were, the early 2800 DKTD’s, can’t really say which of all the motors I’ve driven I thought was best, I always judged it by the job I was doing, although, I have driven ERF A and B series and would be happy never to set foot in one again, but my Borderer, that was great.

Dieseldogsix:
I never thought the DAF 95 was an improvement on the 3300, and I don’t remember the gearbox being back to front, mine had a ZF double H, the only Daf with a back to front gearbox I can remember were, the early 2800 DKTD’s, can’t really say which of all the motors I’ve driven I thought was best, I always judged it by the job I was doing, although, I have driven ERF A and B series and would be happy never to set foot in one again, but my Borderer, that was great.

Never drove a Borderer, have always wanted to though…

Bender:

Dieseldogsix:
I never thought the DAF 95 was an improvement on the 3300, and I don’t remember the gearbox being back to front, mine had a ZF double H, the only Daf with a back to front gearbox I can remember were, the early 2800 DKTD’s, can’t really say which of all the motors I’ve driven I thought was best, I always judged it by the job I was doing, although, I have driven ERF A and B series and would be happy never to set foot in one again, but my Borderer, that was great.

Never drove a Borderer, have always wanted to though…

hiya,
Bender if you ever get chance to have a go in a Borderer jump at the opportunity, they was one hell of a motor i preferred them to anything else i ever drove, but it was a different era and i am older than tea.
thanks harry long retired.

harry_gill:

Bender:

Dieseldogsix:
I never thought the DAF 95 was an improvement on the 3300, and I don’t remember the gearbox being back to front, mine had a ZF double H, the only Daf with a back to front gearbox I can remember were, the early 2800 DKTD’s, can’t really say which of all the motors I’ve driven I thought was best, I always judged it by the job I was doing, although, I have driven ERF A and B series and would be happy never to set foot in one again, but my Borderer, that was great.

Never drove a Borderer, have always wanted to though…

hiya,
Bender if you ever get chance to have a go in a Borderer jump at the opportunity, they was one hell of a motor i preferred them to anything else i ever drove, but it was a different era and i am older than tea.
thanks harry long retired.

Anybody know someone who has one and would allow me to get behind the wheel?

I’d even call it a lorry!

The worst lorry i have driven was a G290 GT Renault,dont know what the GT stood for but it wasnt speed i had to blindfold it to get it up hills.One of the best was a 1986 Foden with a 320 Gardner in it but i had just come from the Renault so anything would have been an improvement.Ive had various Scanias my favourite being a 380 topliner 113 but that wasnt spectacular on the hills either.Took a spot hire Merc 1729 to Germany and should have left it there,various Volvos i found the F10 comfortable the FL10 cramped FH12 ok.Several 2800 DAFs again gutless ,several Ivecos again cramped (tec and turbostars) but strong pullers

Bender:

harry_gill:

Bender:

Dieseldogsix:
I never thought the DAF 95 was an improvement on the 3300, and I don’t remember the gearbox being back to front, mine had a ZF double H, the only Daf with a back to front gearbox I can remember were, the early 2800 DKTD’s, can’t really say which of all the motors I’ve driven I thought was best, I always judged it by the job I was doing, although, I have driven ERF A and B series and would be happy never to set foot in one again, but my Borderer, that was great.

Never drove a Borderer, have always wanted to though…

hiya,
Bender if you ever get chance to have a go in a Borderer jump at the opportunity, they was one hell of a motor i preferred them to anything else i ever drove, but it was a different era and i am older than tea.
thanks harry long retired.

Anybody know someone who has one and would allow me to get behind the wheel?

I’d even call it a lorry!

hiya,
There’s still a lot in preservation Bender, some generous soul might let you have a bit of a “cabbie” try and get hold of one that John Killingbeck has “doctored” that would go well and you sure would’nt be disappointed.
thanks harry long retired.

Hi … I’ll try a few that I can remember.
Ford D series … hated it.
Volvo f86, hated it.
Volvo f88, loved it.
Volvo f7, not too bad.
Volvo f10, loved it. Ford transcontinental … worshipped it.
merc 1614… made me a lot of money, but very cramped sleeper and bad on hills.
Man (can’t remember the model but it was the biggest made, had Eaton twin splitter) … amazing vehicle.
ERF ‘C’ series, nice.
Scania’s … the full range from 1994 to 1999, … best trucks ever.
DAF 95, the first on the road in UK in 1987. Fairly good.

USA trucks.
Mack … junk pile.
Frieghtliner FLD condo, pile of crap.
Volvo VN, nice.
Frieghtliner Columbia Condo, not too bad but a bit primative.
Frieghtler Columbia single sleeper, not too bad but primative gear box (present vehicle)

I was given a brand new Daf 95 (Rockwell Hire) to use in 87 when I was doing the Indesit contract for DWT (formerly Dartford Wharfage) for a while and was blown away by it.

The cab was modern and comfortable, it had a little fold out flap on the middle of the steering wheel for writing out your discs, the gearbox was easy to use with that sliding and twisting collar, it has a good turning circle and pulled well (I think it was a 360) bu then I was only carrying washing machines and fridges in a step framed curtain sider.

It seemed a million miles away from the older Dafs, and they are still using that cab today.

ramone:
The worst lorry i have driven was a G290 GT Renault,dont know what the GT stood for but it wasnt speed i had to blindfold it to get it up hills.One of the best was a 1986 Foden with a 320 Gardner in it but i had just come from the Renault so anything would have been an improvement.Ive had various Scanias my favourite being a 380 topliner 113 but that wasnt spectacular on the hills either.Took a spot hire Merc 1729 to Germany and should have left it there,various Volvos i found the F10 comfortable the FL10 cramped FH12 ok.Several 2800 DAFs again gutless ,several Ivecos again cramped (tec and turbostars) but strong pullers

The GT in renault, stands for Gutless Tub… :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Foden 4300/Cat engine (8 wheeler) F reg (89) *** It was close to life expired when I got it as a newbie but was brilliant to learn on
Foden 3275/■■■■■■■ (6 wheeler) N reg *** Let down by poor storage space
Foden 4250/Cat (6 wheeler) G reg **** Possibly the best yard spare we’ve ever had
Foden 4340/Cat (6 wheeler) S reg **** Would’ve been 5* but gearbox and clutch were stiff
Foden Alpha 400/Cat (8wheeler) (Daf 85 version) Y reg *** Someone mentioned the fold down mini table in the steering wheel, this one had one too and a nice big steering wheel.
Foden Alpha Next-Gen 345/Cat 54 reg (6 wheeler) *** Pulls like hell, uses no oil and does 9.5mpg but the ABS system’s a joke/ditto the radiator design/cab now rattles/irritating driving position/cab paintwork is hopeless to keep clean
Merc Atego (demonstrator) 280 (6 wheeler) I think 05 reg. * Absolute heap of crap. Driving position was the best part/engine gutless coupled with a crap 8 speed box
Daf 75CF 360 57 reg (6 wheeler) ** Went well but driving position poor/ Needs a 12 speed for mway work/ chassis creaks/Chassis height too low for tipper work
Volvo FE7 320/Mag Deutz (6 wheeler) 08 reg *** Lovely to drive but letdown by poxy cab/ low chassis height/ go above 50mph and the revs go out of the green band
Merc Axor 400 (8 wheeler demonstrator) 07 reg **** Fantastic motor and the best one I’ve driven so far.

Got to think back a bit here!

Before 21 when you could drive up to 3 tons unladen, Ford Thames Traders, forward control and normal control. (descriptions of the day)

First HGV: Bedford TJ (bonnet job) 5 cubic yard tipper. Utter crap! vague steering, 4 speed box + eaton 2 speed axle, ■■■■■■■■ brakes.
promoted to a newish Bedford TK, what a motor, loved it!! good steering, top brakes, good visibility and NO BONNET!!!

After a couple of years I graduated to long distance, before the days of HGV license when you had to show experience, drove an Albion Reiver 20 ton tipper on coal. Mixed memories on that one as it introduced me to going ‘up the road’ but no power steering, poor heater, multipull handbrake and badly placed gear lever, but I stuck with it for a year.

Then did 5 years on flatbeds roping and sheeting, mainly D series Fords, good cabs and with the bench seats it was always possible to get a nights kip if you were parked in the right place. Remember this was the time when the old bill would wake you up and make you go and find digs if they caught you, although some would turn a blind eye. (Taunton market comes to mind)

Then came back to bulk tippers for 5+ years, Firstly on a Guy Big J with a Gardner 180 plated at 32 tons, super motor, pulled well, stopped well, good heaters (2), but no power steering. In hindsight a top motor.
The Guy was then traded for a Leyland Buffalo, a real flier, good heater, 10 speed range change box and power steering (luxury). Sadly it had the troubles that they just about all got and it went on its way after a couple of years to be replaced with a RollsRoyce engined Scammell ,
In its day that was an ok motor although it was a bit noisy in the cab.

About that time I moved onto ‘foreign’ motors starting with a DAF 2800 with a 13 speed fuller box, compared to what I had been driving for the past 12 years or so it was like winning the lottery, always thought the ‘flat screen’ DAFs were good motors and later went on to drive 2300 and 2500 on drawbar work.

The fleet also had ‘F’ ‘FL’ and ‘FH’ Volvos, quite liked those but the interiors were never the quality of the Scanias I went on to drive for many years.

Scania, top of the shop for me, drove them for 8 years on national/international tank work and loved every mile.

My last year before retirement was with a MAN fully automatic unit which was replaced with the same but new in November 2008, all buttons and displays so all the driver has to do is aim it! but I suppose that’s progress.

Along the way I have also driven other makes and models short term, including in 1978 a 12 speed column change MAN with a very worn linkage, what gear you ended up with was a lottery to say the least!
Also had Atkinson, Seddon, AEC, Mercs (with and without EPS) ERF etc.

Best one? as said earlier, got to be SCANIA King of the Road. :sunglasses:

The one I enjoyed the most, New AEC Marshall, 7.7 engine, Hendrickson rear suspension. 5177 WY. Great motor. The worst one? 4 wheel Seddon with a Perkins P6. 1960’s

I always found it was much more enjoyable driving trucks/lorries before the speed limiters became compulsory.

The way an engine ‘pulls’ is now largely lost as they are much more powerful, but because the majority seem to have automatic transmission you just stick your foot flat on the floor and off it goes until you reach 56mph.

Bender:
I always found it was much more enjoyable driving trucks/lorries before the speed limiters became compulsory.

The way an engine ‘pulls’ is now largely lost as they are much more powerful, but because the majority seem to have automatic transmission you just stick your foot flat on the floor and off it goes until you reach 56mph.

hiya,
Never drove anything automatic except a 2 pedal ergo Leyland thingy years ago and that was for only a short distance did’nt like it one bit, but if the fancy new stuff only creeps along at 56 mph i don’t think i could do with that either, i did go through the crawling about period as a young wag and drag driver but have had motors that have flown since, i think the best i could do at todays speed would be the nearest bus stop and use my bus pass to get home, i’d nod off stuck at that speed especially having no gearstick to fiddle about with, when i was still a driver I did have a home made cruise control which i transferred from motor to motor very simple,a length of broom shank which i used to wedge the throttle down but i would have been doing a darned site more than 56 mph more like 70+.
thanks harry long retired.