What are we supposed to do about loads?

DeeBee:
simple rule - your truck, your load. If you want it strapped it gets strapped.

I apply this regardless of whether I’m driving my truck or someone elses. And yes I have had the argument of ‘you can’t get up on the bed to strap your load in this yard’ - my response is always ‘Best take it off then mate because I’m going nowhere without that lot strapped down. Your decision.’
As far as I’m concerned if someone is pushing me to get a load out of the yard, they won’t be backing me up when Oswald the 4’6" VOSA examiner with a small man complex is fining me at the side of the road. I’m there to move the load safely for them, not as quickly as possible.

I have been strapping every possible load but is there any common sense applied by VOSA despite them saying ‘everything must be secure’? For example pallets of empty containers shrinkwrapped (you can move the pallet by hand) are flush against curtains and the back of the load cross strapped. Would they accept this as ‘secure’ or would they insist of every pallet strapped?
And what about the large 205 containers. Never taken them myself but I’ve seen companies with curtainsiders filled with them individually. Obviously any fool can see its not possible to secure these but would you be leaving yourself open to a possible fine?

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KarlM:

DeeBee:
simple rule - your truck, your load. If you want it strapped it gets strapped.

I apply this regardless of whether I’m driving my truck or someone elses. And yes I have had the argument of ‘you can’t get up on the bed to strap your load in this yard’ - my response is always ‘Best take it off then mate because I’m going nowhere without that lot strapped down. Your decision.’
As far as I’m concerned if someone is pushing me to get a load out of the yard, they won’t be backing me up when Oswald the 4’6" VOSA examiner with a small man complex is fining me at the side of the road. I’m there to move the load safely for them, not as quickly as possible.

I have been strapping every possible load but is there any common sense applied by VOSA despite them saying ‘everything must be secure’? For example pallets of empty containers shrinkwrapped (you can move the pallet by hand) are flush against curtains and the back of the load cross strapped. Would they accept this as ‘secure’ or would they insist of every pallet strapped?
And what about the large 205 containers. Never taken them myself but I’ve seen companies with curtainsiders filled with them individually. Obviously any fool can see its not possible to secure these but would you be leaving yourself open to a possible fine?

A good halfway house, if you’re worried about VOSA fines but don’t want the frankly unecessary faff of strapping stuff, that’s obviously going nowhere in a curtainsider, is running straps from the headboard to the roof supports then to the back all the way down the sides takes 5 mins rather than 50 pointlessly throwing 13 straps across the bed.

A barrel hitch would secure them ^^^ perfectly. Or is that another forgotten art?

the maoster:
A barrel hitch would secure them ^^^ perfectly. Or is that another forgotten art?

Yep !

To strap full drums lay pallets flat down on top of them, then strap over it. Agree empties don’t need it, but Own Account’s is a good idea.

For the drums I’d suggest a ‘round turn lashing’ with a strap around 4 drums to pull them into a single more stable block - then as suggested a pallet/board or full length edge boards and a strap or two as tie down lashings.

If not able to place against the headboard then a spring lashing to the front.

If most curtain siders are made to EN 12642 L standard then the curtains will take 0.3 of the payload so empties filling the load area side to side etc won’t need strapping for load securing but may to help prevent damage to the load.

shep532:
If most curtain siders are made to EN 12642 L standard then the curtains will take 0.3 of the payload so empties filling the load area side to side etc won’t need strapping for load securing but may to help prevent damage to the load.

That’s interesting. Wasn’t aware of that.

DeeBee:
simple rule - your truck, your load. If you want it strapped it gets strapped.

I apply this regardless of whether I’m driving my truck or someone elses. And yes I have had the argument of ‘you can’t get up on the bed to strap your load in this yard’ - my response is always ‘Best take it off then mate because I’m going nowhere without that lot strapped down. Your decision.’
As far as I’m concerned if someone is pushing me to get a load out of the yard, they won’t be backing me up when Oswald the 4’6" VOSA examiner with a small man complex is fining me at the side of the road. I’m there to move the load safely for them, not as quickly as possible.

That is a simple rule and I’ve always gone by it, but some people won’t or feel they can’t.

Driveroneuk:

shep532:
If most curtain siders are made to EN 12642 L standard then the curtains will take 0.3 of the payload so empties filling the load area side to side etc won’t need strapping for load securing but may to help prevent damage to the load.

That’s interesting. Wasn’t aware of that.

SORRY - my bad. TYPO!! :blush: I meant BOX BODY or TILT type. Sorry. A plain old curtain is made to ZERO capacity to the side unless it is made to the ‘XL’ standard in which case it will take 0.4 of the payload.

So basically - I wasn’t thinking straight when I typed my last post, I had a box body in mind. IGNORE ME! A standard curtain made to EN 12642 L is ZERO load capacity to the side.

We carry these without straps.

Dieseldog66:
We carry these without straps.

Go on - give us a clue. What are they and how heavy? Do you know if the trailers are marked up as EN 12642 XL?

shep532:

Dieseldog66:
We carry these without straps.

Go on - give us a clue. What are they and how heavy? Do you know if the trailers are marked up as EN 12642 XL?

Pallets weight 620kg each, that trailer is a top loader and has load bearing curtains, not marked up, although our other trailer are just ordinary curtainsiders.

alder:
http://www.theratchetshop.com/ratchet-s … chets.html

These rated at 5 ton?


Sorry I though you meant the hooks ON the body of the truck, got me wires crossed. :blush:

And these bad boys say on the label LC 2500 DaN or LC 2000 DaN is their actual lashing capacity dependant on the technique on how they are used for restraining. That means they’re only rated for restraining 2.5t or 2t and their breaking strength when new is 5t or 4t respectively. Again as they get older and how they are treated in the mean time means they may not hold their maximum break strength over time.
I think the load restraint industry are shady on these as they say they are 5 ton straps…but that’s their breaking strength and not their designed lashing capacity and makes they straps sound much stronger than the actually are! :imp:

shep532:

Radar19:
You’d roll the truck long before one of those internal straps breaks.

That’ll be why the labels say LC 350 DaN on most of them. That’s 350kg meaning they break somewhere around 700kg when new, obviously less when not so new.

And that’s before we look at what they are attached to - which in some cases is just a little bit weaker than would be ideal.

If they were as strong as you suggest the trailer would be given an XL rating.

Hey Alder,

How you doing bud…sounds like troubling times…but you gotta weigh it up and I’m with these guys. They won’t be lenient on you if you get pulled. :cry:

del949:
you won’t need to tell the nice VOSA man anything…'cos you’ve refused to take it without securing the load.

It’s YOUR licence.

DeeBee:
simple rule - your truck, your load. If you want it strapped it gets strapped.

I apply this regardless of whether I’m driving my truck or someone elses. And yes I have had the argument of ‘you can’t get up on the bed to strap your load in this yard’ - my response is always ‘Best take it off then mate because I’m going nowhere without that lot strapped down. Your decision.’
As far as I’m concerned if someone is pushing me to get a load out of the yard, they won’t be backing me up when Oswald the 4’6" VOSA examiner with a small man complex is fining me at the side of the road. I’m there to move the load safely for them, not as quickly as possible.

Final argument you just don’t know what’s going to happen to you on the road e.g. others and their stunts etc. You could be a 100% safe driver but some zb does something dangerous in the final second your innocent actions could result in a lost load, we see and hear about them every single day, they are not rare occurrences in the slightest!!!

I know the “tough crew” on here say you don’t need straps in curtains etc, but if they weren’t needed no one would have them fitted or insist on their usage either in law or other reasonings.

Like Radar19 I do this too. And know I will be criticised by many on here for being soft and spending money on stuff the boss should be buying and this is the right attitude it rightfully should be his responsbility and not mine to supply all load restraint equipment.

However I’m really “unlucky” (not really as I couldn’t do curtain/box work - respect to all of you who do it - It’d drive me insance :sunglasses:) I can’t hide my load behind curtains its always in full show and completely in the open for all to see. So for my piece of mind, should I zb up or someone else does, I want to make sure I have all the correct gear on board to hold everything on board like it should be.

Radar19:
I strap as much of it down as I can. I’ve got my own set of ratchet straps now so whatever is in the trailer doesn’t matter.

But and a big but, the company will be issued with the invoice to pay for everything I have bought or will replace like for like when they get their ■■■ into gear and then I will take my own stuff home. From this I shall either keep it for myself should I ever chose to move on (then I have some of my own gear should I need it) or I will sell it accordingly.

God forbid if they don’t do either, then extra hours will be put on the timehseet to cover the cost and said items will then be left with the vehicle accordingly. There’s more than one way to skin a cat. Fortunately this has never come to this in my time, everyone has seen sense in the end.

Currently I am having trouble getting people to see sense I need X2 16mm chains for some of the largest heaviest plant we carry. We are still in talks about necessity of them and I’ve proved the case (maths and all) but we can’t seem to agree on the point of getting them. The next point will be following the above methods again and I shall get my recompense as I don’t personally have a great requirement for x2 6m 16mm chains and tensioners :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: This will be done by hook or by crook.

Either way it’s a hard slog I understand that but persevere it through to the end, its worth it for your own piece of mind alone.

I work in a small company and its hard, I imagine in a big company its even harder. But once you start asking TMs to sign disclaimers for you to have no load restraint and prove these exact terms are stated in their insurances and these said risks are covered and other such laws they have to comply with numerous Road Traffic Act laws, operating licence requirements to comply with general laws etc etc. They are not so ■■■■ sure and bolshy about having no straps especially when you ask for the actual proof of their statements and you are entitled to this information. Its part of their duty of care to you as an employee under H&S law to ensure you are not exposed to unreasonable risks.

Its ■■■■■■ and not the right course to take initally but if you’ve tried the friendly friendly approach, the more concise and direct approach of why they are required, the above is your final hand to play and see what the outcome is. If its not the right one for you, then unfortunately you have to make a hard decision of whether you continue to run the loads at the fate of chance or whether you walk and find a more suitable and more road legal company to work for… :neutral_face:

Hard I know but I only you know the right answer for what you are prepared to risk your freedom and your licence for or not as in might be the case here :confused:

Good thing about having your own set is you know the history, they are brand new and you can take them with you if you change jobs!

Radar19:
Good thing about having your own set is you know the history, they are brand new and you can take them with you if you change jobs!

Very true, you tend to really really look after your own gear you spent your own money on. But Alder is right, the employer should always buy the gear first, but if you want your own kit nothing stopping you unless you know otherwise. I can’t be contradictory as I do have some of my own gear as well as the company’s on the lorry, yet my own gear makes the job even easier for my own needs and gains. :smiley:

C

We should all be driving tippers. Chuck it in and forget it.

That’d sort 'em out at the rdc’s. :slight_smile:

If money was no object I’d keep my own set of straps. In saying that, if money was no object I wouldn’t need them because I wouldn’t be driving trucks :wink:

I don’t take a truck anywhere unless I’m happy with the load security. Sometimes that may be nothing at all… Other times that may be every pallet strapped. If there are no straps in the kit box/under the seats/on the rail etc, I’ll go ask for some. If I’m fobbed off, I’ll raise a no-go defect until the problem is resolved. It then takes as long as it takes to secure it properly. I never leave unless I have a minimum of 6 ratchet straps onboard somewhere, so every other pallet can be strapped at the very least, for example if I have a full load to pick up later in the day.

If the company haven’t factored in the time required to secure a load, that’s their problem, not mine. I do my best, but I do it safely.

the maoster:
A barrel hitch would secure them ^^^ perfectly. Or is that another forgotten art?

Not forgotten; but since the Vostapo no longer regard the simple rope as an adequate method of securing anything, pointless these days.