If the car was up the inside then yes I would of seen it and no I wouldnt of hit it. You are a disgrace to the job with an attitude like yours I imagine you dont need to check your mirrors before pulling in level with my windscreen when over taking. Whether I or anyone else checks mirrors or not, you admitting you dont is bad driving. The fact you think anyone else who does should go away and carry on being perfect sums up your bad attitude.
And i bet you never had any skid marks for mammy to wash …
after reviewing the photographic evidence, i can safely conclude that the collision between the aforementioned car driver and yourself was definitely your fault, you drive a scania, enough said
I wouldn’t worry about it. He deserves all he got and some more, and you’re right, you can’t see everything at the same time.
But checking for as much as possible as you can possibly see in the nearside mirrors ‘before’ pulling away from standstill can sometimes mean the difference between an accident or not regardless of who is at fault.
If I had looked I would have seen him, if I hadn’t looked then no. I try to look each and every time, and usually do it without even thinking, but it doesn’t always happen so I could have hit him. I also might have looked, seen him and thought ■■■■■■■■, he shouldn’t be there and carried on regardless*. Who knows, if everybody did everything correct 100% of the time then there would be no accidents and that will be a sad day for the Kangaroo Court on here when that happens.
*Something I may or may not have done on the A414 at the Colney Roundabout in the early part of last year but cannot confirm in case I incriminate myself.
RobRob:
Now, be honest people, would you have seen him?
YES!!! Having looked at the pictures, you are right, it IS effectively a give-way/T-Junction. You should have seen him, but none of us are perfect so stop whining and move on.
I wouldn’t worry about it. He deserves all he got and some more, and you’re right, you can’t see everything at the same time.
But checking for as much as possible as you can possibly see in the nearside mirrors ‘before’ pulling away from standstill can sometimes mean the difference between an accident or not regardless of who is at fault.
You could be right mate, TfL have a job for you, educating lorry drivers so they can avoid killing cyclists.
RobRob:
Now, be honest people, would you have seen him?
YES!!! Having looked at the pictures, you are right, it IS effectively a give-way/T-Junction. You should have seen him, but none of us are perfect so stop whining and move on.
Oh for [zb]'s sake, give the guy a break!
He’s obviously got to concentrate on looking right at the oncoming traffic, and if some [zb] came up on his n/s as he was trying to get out of the junction, then there’s a very high possibility there’s going to be an accident. I dare say most of us on here, despite their years of experience and perfect driving record, don’t always get everything right… This looks like one of those occasions!
The pic he’s posted doesn’t leave much room for either a car on the left, or much doubt about the circumstances. Like some have said, no-one’s perfect, not even you Gogan, despite your accusatory tone.
this thread makes me ■■■■,you get drivers on other threads shouting for solidarity…aint gonna happen coz youve allways got a load of jumped up ■■■■■ like the previous posters who are only to keen to ■■■■ up your back. if that had happened to switchlogic it would be....oh hard luck mate glad you are o.k. etc,if it had been a stobart driver he would be the devils spawn.what a bunch of ego inflated trumpet suckers. i bet my bottom dollar your firms insurance dont pay out,and who would blame them…you`ve taken the correct position(utilised available road space) and your scanning for a gap on a busy a1 when some thick ■■■■ decides to drive around you on the pavement ffs
EastAnglianTrucker:
Oh for [zb]'s sake, give the guy a break!He’s obviously got to concentrate on looking right at the oncoming traffic, and if some [zb] came up on his n/s as he was trying to get out of the junction, then there’s a very high possibility there’s going to be an accident. I dare say most of us on here, despite their years of experience and perfect driving record, don’t always get everything right… This looks like one of those occasions!The pic he’s posted doesn’t leave much room for either a car on the left, or much doubt about the circumstances. Like some have said, no-one’s perfect, not even you Gogan, despite your accusatory tone.Don’t get too wound up RobRob, [zb] happens!
You really haven’t read this thread have you?
I am not condemning the drivers actions as anything other than a mistake, and as I have already said I am not perfect and would never claim to be. I do however take issue with the OP’s insistence that the blame can only be laid on the car driver.
I don’t need to use an accusatory tone, as I am not making any accusations. The OP has already admitted that he failed to check the mirror before moving off, so he has already admitted partial liability.
You yourself state that there was a high possibility of an accident occuring in that situation, so in the name of common sense the OP should have had the sense to check his mirror before moving off as any decent driver would. He didn’t (by either ignorance or indifference), and so therefore he contributed to the occurence of a preventable accident, and all by his own (very public) admission.
commonrail:
this thread makes me ■■■■,you get drivers on other threads shouting for solidarity…aint gonna happen coz youve allways got a load of jumped up [zb] like the previous posters who are only to keen to ■■■■ up your back. if that had happened to switchlogic it would be....oh hard luck mate glad you are o.k. etc,if it had been a stobart driver he would be the devils spawn.what a bunch of ego inflated trumpet suckers. i bet my bottom dollar your firms insurance dont pay out,and who would blame them…you`ve taken the correct position(utilised available road space) and your scanning for a gap on a busy a1 when some thick [zb] decides to drive around you on the pavement ffs
EastAnglianTrucker:
Oh for [zb]'s sake, give the guy a break!He’s obviously got to concentrate on looking right at the oncoming traffic, and if some [zb] came up on his n/s as he was trying to get out of the junction, then there’s a very high possibility there’s going to be an accident. I dare say most of us on here, despite their years of experience and perfect driving record, don’t always get everything right… This looks like one of those occasions!The pic he’s posted doesn’t leave much room for either a car on the left, or much doubt about the circumstances. Like some have said, no-one’s perfect, not even you Gogan, despite your accusatory tone.Don’t get too wound up RobRob, [zb] happens!
You really haven’t read this thread have you?
I am not condemning the drivers actions as anything other than a mistake, and as I have already said I am not perfect and would never claim to be. I do however take issue with the OP’s insistence that the blame can only be laid on the car driver.
I don’t need to use an accusatory tone, as I am not making any accusations. The OP has already admitted that he failed to check the mirror before moving off, so he has already admitted partial liability.
You yourself state that there was a high possibility of an accident occuring in that situation, so in the name of common sense the OP should have had the sense to check his mirror before moving off as any decent driver would. He didn’t (by either ignorance or indifference), and so therefore he contributed to the occurence of a preventable accident, and all by his own (very public) admission.
So, what exactly is your issue?
So, you pull up, get ready to manouver, check nearside mirror, then check right again, see gap approaching…
Now, do you a) check nearside mirror again, or b) keep looking right incase you’ve missed a motorbike or cycle coming down around the gap you’re about to go for…
Car driver drove up kerb to put himself in danger, deserved all he got, would’ve probably got a slap to boot tbh, self important jumped up prick, endangering people to save a couple of seconds. What could he possibly see from the left hand side of a truck??
waynedl:
So, you pull up, get ready to manouver, check nearside mirror, then check right again, see gap approaching…Now, do you a) check nearside mirror again, or b) keep looking right incase you’ve missed a motorbike or cycle coming down around the gap you’re about to go for…
You need to do both until you can satisfy both conditions. Pulling out without ensuring that it is safe to do so (regardless of where the danger may come from) is dangerous at best, and quite frankly its reckless. If you have to put other peoples lives in danger to “make a gap” then you are in far too much of a hurry, and no load regardless of how important your planner thinks it is warrants a reckless endangerment of someone elses life.
EastAnglianTrucker:
Oh for [zb]'s sake, give the guy a break!He’s obviously got to concentrate on looking right at the oncoming traffic, and if some [zb] came up on his n/s as he was trying to get out of the junction, then there’s a very high possibility there’s going to be an accident. I dare say most of us on here, despite their years of experience and perfect driving record, don’t always get everything right… This looks like one of those occasions!The pic he’s posted doesn’t leave much room for either a car on the left, or much doubt about the circumstances. Like some have said, no-one’s perfect, not even you Gogan, despite your accusatory tone.Don’t get too wound up RobRob, [zb] happens!
You really haven’t read this thread have you?
I am not condemning the drivers actions as anything other than a mistake, and as I have already said I am not perfect and would never claim to be. I do however take issue with the OP’s insistence that the blame can only be laid on the car driver.
I don’t need to use an accusatory tone, as I am not making any accusations. The OP has already admitted that he failed to check the mirror before moving off, so he has already admitted partial liability.
You yourself state that there was a high possibility of an accident occuring in that situation, so in the name of common sense the OP should have had the sense to check his mirror before moving off as any decent driver would. He didn’t (by either ignorance or indifference), and so therefore he contributed to the occurence of a preventable accident, and all by his own (very public) admission.
So, what exactly is your issue?
So, you pull up, get ready to manouver, check nearside mirror, then check right again, see gap approaching…
Now, do you a) check nearside mirror again, or b) keep looking right incase you’ve missed a motorbike or cycle coming down around the gap you’re about to go for…
If you’ve reached the stage where you’ve decided to drive over a give way from standstill then it’s obvious that you’re sure at that point that the road is clear both ways by looking right,left and right etc etc.
It’s just that with a truck you’ve got the added problem of anything that might be at the sides of it such as when making a left turn from a T junction onto a main road etc and you can’t establish that without checking the mirrors before you move off.If a cyclist or whatever gets alongside in the wrong place at the wrong time it’s often/usually their own fault but at least it’s worth trying to avoid the worst case scenario if possible by trying to see the zb’s and not moving if they are there.
commonrail:
this thread makes me ■■■■,you get drivers on other threads shouting for solidarity…aint gonna happen coz youve allways got a load of jumped up [zb] like the previous posters who are only to keen to ■■■■ up your back. if that had happened to switchlogic it would be....oh hard luck mate glad you are o.k. etc,if it had been a stobart driver he would be the devils spawn.what a bunch of ego inflated trumpet suckers. i bet my bottom dollar your firms insurance dont pay out,and who would blame them…you`ve taken the correct position(utilised available road space) and your scanning for a gap on a busy a1 when some thick [zb] decides to drive around you on the pavement ffs
I agree, before I read this post I was thinking about posting something about “what happened to us all singing from the same song book ?”, it doesn’t have to be the same hymn sheet but there’s enough flak from every angle in this job without the silly arguing. In my opinion, if the original post is true and who are any of us to not believe him or her, then the ‘driver’ of the car is a moron, but we all see things that so called ‘drivers’ of cars do and it doesn’t shock any of us anymore because some driving is that bad but is normal because it happens so frequently, I’m a highly experienced truck driver and even though I wasn’t there, I probably wouldn’t have been looking at the near side mirror incase somebody was driving over the grass, only a glance to make sure the trailer was clear of the corner is what I would have probably done, which also sounds like what our man has done here. If the car driver has driven over the grass then there is only one person to blame.
commonrail:
this thread makes me ■■■■,you get drivers on other threads shouting for solidarity…aint gonna happen coz youve allways got a load of jumped up [zb] like the previous posters who are only to keen to ■■■■ up your back. if that had happened to switchlogic it would be....oh hard luck mate glad you are o.k. etc,if it had been a stobart driver he would be the devils spawn.what a bunch of ego inflated trumpet suckers. i bet my bottom dollar your firms insurance dont pay out,and who would blame them…you`ve taken the correct position(utilised available road space) and your scanning for a gap on a busy a1 when some thick [zb] decides to drive around you on the pavement ffs
I agree, before I read this post I was thinking about posting something about “what happened to us all singing from the same song book ?”, it doesn’t have to be the same hymn sheet but there’s enough flak from every angle in this job without the silly arguing. In my opinion, if the original post is true and who are any of us to not believe him or her, then the ‘driver’ of the car is a moron, but we all see things that so called ‘drivers’ of cars do and it doesn’t shock any of us anymore because some driving is that bad but is normal because it happens so frequently, I’m a highly experienced truck driver and even though I wasn’t there, I probably wouldn’t have been looking at the near side mirror incase somebody was driving over the grass, only a glance to make sure the trailer was clear of the corner is what I would have probably done, which also sounds like what our man has done here. If the car driver has driven over the grass then there is only one person to blame.
It might be an idiot driving a car or it might be an idiot cyclist.One will probably mean a lot of bent metal and scratched paint and swearing the other might mean a lot worse.Especially if the idiot went under the wheels without noticing at all and the next thing you know is when the law come looking for you and you’ve got to explain to them that you didn’t know anything about it before driving off honest ocifer.
RobRob:
Friday 13th, I’m pulling out of a service station on the A1 Northbound. Quite a short slip road, so almost a give way as opposed to a slip road.
[zb] moron, gentleman of Indian origin that works in the garage has just finished his shift. As the A1 is busy, he becomes impatient and squeezes between the nearside of my trailer and a lamp post, mounts the pavement and proceeds to drive along the pavement in order to get in front of me on the slip road.
Trouble is, the first I knew of this, is when I go to pull away, accelerating hard in 2nd with a full load of sugar beet on board…just happened to glance in nearside mirror to see this moron being dragged along by my trailer mudguards!!!
Upon questioning this prick, it turns out, ‘they always do it when it is busy’!!!
Is it me or has the world gone mad?
Wouldn’t mind, it it was my first week in the job and really coulda done without that!
