Wet Nursing the new generation

Don’t agree with the OP

Yes, it’s been done to death but it was in the newbies forum and maybe they could search but also want to tell people they’ve passed their test/got their first job etc. and to an audience that is more likely to be engaged in the topic than maybe their mates at home.

It also gives a chance, with every time the topic resurfaces, for someone who was themselves a new starter a year it two back to pass on what their experiences were and refine with the most useful and up to date information. Otherwise it can end up being a bit like a mechanic’s toolbox when every new tool you buy is the one you struggled without, and could have really done with, on a previous job and nine times out of ten you never need it again.

Tude:
Has anyone advised him to make sure he has enough “smoke” to see him through whilst tramping.
This is because tramping is a thing that is actually damaging to your health, will most certainly shorten your life and be responsible for many diseases whilst you endure it, not to mention the psychological complications that will be endured and the lack of human contact, meaning you will not be properly socialised……FFS, even the RSPCA ensure a dog is socialised before it is allowed out to mix with other dogs, but apparently it is perfectly acceptable to let humans out in to the public without this condition……

I could go on, but it is getting boring…

Dead right mate…■■■■ boring and grossly inaccurate. :unamused:
Ain’t got a scooby what tf you mean by smoke :neutral_face: , but your misguided opinion on tramping is a derisory but classic analysis from someone who has either never done it, or is doing it the wrong way…ie treating it as some sleep deprivation minimal rest maximum work hours, lack of proper food, lack of use of human facilities and a zero social life endurance exercise rather than a job of work, and favouring existing in a cab for 24 hours a day instead of getting out in an evening.
Sure there are idiots who do the job like so, (many of which are on here in fact), but don’t tar us all with the same brush, some of us are a bit wiser to the job, and see it for what it is.
Hope that clears up your misunderstanding.

As for the thread, the lad is a newbie ffs, cut him some slack, we all asked daft questions that had obvious answers to the experienced when we were just setting out on this sh job.
To o/p…if it winds you up so much, don’t go on the ‘NEWBIE’ :bulb: forum.
:unamused:

The newby forum is exactly that, it’s a place where new or wannabe drivers can go and ask others what the craic is, no question is daft as such.

I do post on that forum sometimes, but hopefully helpful stuff, if i can’t post summat useful i don’t post, it’s hard enough getting started in this game anyway.

It’s not the same as it once was out in the real world, going in to a new place when you’ve been doing the job umpteen years can be an eye opener, go in as agency and some of the more miserable (and often incompetent) full timers either ignore you or treat you with derision, ask where to find engine oil or coolant they look at you in bewilderment because they never check the oil or other fluids themselves anyway, and don’t get me started on some of the jumped up little half wits behind the desk in these places who if they spoke to people like that in a pub would soon find themselves on their arses.
Then there’s the wind up crew who who make out a drop is going to be a nightmare where even those of 20 years exp take 20 minutes to get in.

What the older crew tend to forget is that things have changed out on the road, and also in the training game, the roads are chocka block the lemmings are constantly in headlong rush to oblivion, the lorries have got bigger with massive overhangs that only specialised vehicles might have had at one time…eg rigids with the drive axle near enough in the centre of the body and a lifting and/or steering axle behind it, bodies with rear overhangs like that didn’t exist back in the day, if they did they were purpose made for specific jobs and had dedicated drivers.

Training was much longer, when i took my course (fair enough it was straight to class 1 in those days) the course was ten days, so you got a feel for driving large vehicles and there was time to do in depth vehicle handling and control, a whole day maneuvering not just repeating the test exercise, and of course all vehicles were manual gearboxes…which despite what anyone says demanded concentration but made traffic and maneuvering in particular a more controlled experience, after all of which you came out of the driving course with a much better feel for what was happening on the road…remember ABS and stability controls were unheard of so you soon realised how little grip tyres really ave on damp surfaces, so the lorry rat race wasn’t what it is now.
Vehicles had much better visibility too, yes the mirrors were rubbish, often unheated, fixed in place flat glass, no down mirrors, but the lorries had windows all round and generally weren’t so high cabs so your overall vision all around was often better.

It’s a different game starting out now, cleaner, easier and lighter physically, but the chances are your vehicle in whichever class is going to be a full sized outfit with large overhangs from the start, that alone is daunting…i know how big the lorry is but when i return to work after a couple of week’s holiday it’s seems huge, must be bloody frightening getting up into a 4 metre high cab after only half a week’s total driving course and peering back into the distance to see the back of the thing and realise some 4/5 metres (cor i’m a europhile :wink: ) of the sodding thing is rear overhang to boot…remember a 3 axles trailer pivots on the middle axle, so the rear overhang is the distance from the middle axle to the arse end.

Cut the new lads some slack, its not their fault the training system has gone to pot (in real terms it should be longer and obviously should cost more) and its not their fault that most companies don’t have some sort of mentoring system in place so that new drivers can go out and run with more experienced reliable drivers , with the right attitude ie not whos arse is constantly on fire :unamused: , to help them through the first few weeks/months.

Proper places like mine, ok its a bit specialised, go out for extended training double manned and then generally get to deliver where another of our vehicles will also be so there’s someone to help if needs be…when i started here i’d been on lorries 3 decades but i was glad of that sensible training cos the job is quite frightening when out on your jack for the first few times, it was reassuring knowing someone was keeping an eye on me so i didn’t drop a big bollock.

By the way, now into my 4th decade on the road and i’m still learning every day.

Oh and i met a young driver this week, helped him by being his banksman when he swapped trailers, a tight blind side slalom with a parallel park with little room in front for getting the one out and the other in, it was dark with restricted room (not helping cos i was tipping a tank at the time in his way), so i held my torch lit all the right places up, and made sure he couldn’t hit anything.
Yernow what it was a pleasure, a nice young bloke, looked after his motor (he had clean lights windows and mirrors so he was already winning :bulb: ) and he had a positive attitude, afterwards i shook his hand gave him some encouragement praise (which being a Brit he brushed off of course :sunglasses: :laughing: ) and hope i made a young friend there…if i see him again i’ll give him details of who to ask for a job where i am cos he’s got a good future in this game with that attitude, he took advantage of help offered, and that, young drivers, is half the battle.
He didn’t ask for help, he came and asked me how long i’d be tipping, but i told him i’d be his banksman and watch him in and out, sure enough twenty minutes later he’d done the swapover.

This thread popped up in my newsfeed. I hate Tapatalk.

This week there have been a lot of road closures across the midlands from the Wash to Morecambe Bay and down to Gloucester, what is really scary is the amount of drivers who do not know their local area, some have lived there for over 30 years but have become stranded because of a closed road. These are not just car drivers, try asking anyone under 30 if they have a map, they look at you like you are gone out. ask the same people to point out a river or water course, they cant, forget sat nav training, they need to teach the back to basics. Sat Navs cannot find floods until they get wet through.

An old mentor of mine once told me “you’ll never encounter a problem that someone else hasn’t already solved”. For trucking problems, what better place to find that person than on here?

Wheel Nut:
This thread popped up in my newsfeed. I hate Tapatalk.

This week there have been a lot of road closures across the midlands from the Wash to Morecambe Bay and down to Gloucester, what is really scary is the amount of drivers who do not know their local area, some have lived there for over 30 years but have become stranded because of a closed road. These are not just car drivers, try asking anyone under 30 if they have a map, they look at you like you are gone out. ask the same people to point out a river or water course, they cant, forget sat nav training, they need to teach the back to basics. Sat Navs cannot find floods until they get wet through.

Please tell me how a map find floods? I was using one last week when the A1 was closed at no point did it say there were floods ahead.
However the sat nav did say the A1 was closed, but the alternative was the same one everybody else was on, so we decided to use the paper map as it gave a better overall view of the area and I had a navigator.

Like others have said we all had to start somewhere and no doubt had loads of questions to ask, I was fortunate that my brother was already doing the job and he’d no doubt learnt stuff from working round trucks and getting trips out since he was 14.
I was also fortunate that I didn’t start off on agency work, not sure if they actually existed in Norfolk then, but started with a local family run haulier, working with experienced drivers who’d take the ■■■■, but wouldn’t drop you in the ■■■■, and would also take a bit of time helping you if you were struggling with reversing or securing a load, even on a saturday morning altohugh they’d still be taking the ■■■■ while doing it. :laughing:
And I didn’t know there was a frequently asked questions forum.

I don’t need to write too much here. :smiley:

:bulb: The weight of opinion has sorted this one.

Sometimes, less is more. :wink:

Its because of people like you that new drivers find it easier to ask on the internet. I know i did when i first started i found most of the older drivers just miserable and intimidating… if there was a younger driver that i knew had been doing it a year or two id much rather ask them than most of the miserable intimidating sarcastic older drivers that think the world owes them a favour.

Baldy91:
Its because of people like you that new drivers find it easier to ask on the internet. I know i did when i first started i found most of the older drivers just miserable and intimidating… if there was a younger driver that i knew had been doing it a year or two id much rather ask them than most of the miserable intimidating sarcastic older drivers that think the world owes them a favour.

Not all experienced drivers are like that mate tbf.
I’ve helped numerous young and new drivers over the years, in real life and on here,… and do it gladly.
However it works both ways, the new drivers that get on my ■■■■ who I lose sympathy with rapidly are the ones who have done it for all of 5 minutes and think they know it all, when in reality they know the far end of f. all.
I can think of at least one on here…no names, who regularly blows it out of his arse giving it large, blissfully unaware that most on here think he’s a complete knobend.

Doesn’t look like the op got his required response, good to see that the majority of people are still helpful to others. I’m fortunate to work for a company where all the drivers get along and share advice along with a good amount of banter, along with them and the internet my first few years as a driver have been made much easier and thankfully I don’t come across many like the op too often.

Deeside…

Bloke, be fair to the op hey, chap may have no real idea of road life/industry in general, and at times the search function can bring up some truly random threads, thus it’s off topic pretty quick, and yip no toothbrush in cab on first day out [emoji38][emoji38]

Like him I’m off on tramping for my first role and have been ONLY TO ■■■■ GLAD to have had this forum and it’s contributing threads/members to hand, and that’s why I joined, don’t matter what experience/knowledge you may have outside of this forum, the folks on here have a wealth of knowledge, and can/do always teach me something, or fill the gaps my soft head missed, and I’d be first to get a round in for that kindness should I ever cross their paths or any ones who may have left a thread on here that has helped me[emoji108]

To me that’s what it’s about, no matter how soft you may think the question is, to others it can be a ball ache, and I’ve flooded this forum with daft questions, and always had top advice, even though I’m sure the old guard know it’s soft as ■■■■ from the off…[emoji38]

Be the better man hey Deeside, you were a new spoon in the draw at some point I’m sure, so why not take pride in sharing your knowledge to us instead, I’d appreciate it for one fella, genuinely I would [emoji41][emoji106]

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I find the OP comment quite disturbing - I have worked with many talented people, many of whom have done jobs and aquired experience that we can only dream off, every single one of them have always been willing to teach,advise a new person- yes- back in the day we didn’t have the interweb thingy, now we do, so dont knock someone for using it.

I don’t give a monkeys how someone asks for advice, I respect the fact they are intelligent enough to realise that someone has done that before and can assist them- If you think your the super trucker that doesn’t need ever any help, then the words given to me by the instructor who got me through my class 1 you need to take heed off-

" You may have the licence , but from today is when you start learning- and the day you think you know it all is the day you hang your keys up for good - in this job you never stop learning"

I have done more than some on here, and less than others - If its something new - I will ask - those who think they are better than that are normally to be found holding up a low bridge- cos they didn’t need to ask

The silly question is the one that you didn’t ask. Come on folks you were a newbee once.

When I started in transport I knew everything and as I have got older I have realised I know nothing. :laughing:

Seriously the one thing I have always done is to accept help from my fellow workers or help them if I can.

Dave…

I remember picking up a trailer 20 odd years ago and being told to take it and tip and re.load it.

I picked it up on the Sunday (nobody about in yard to ask anything) and faced the prospect of tipping from the side, then re.loading it after a full strip out…It was a Tilt, ! I’d never used one nor had any knowledge of what to do, or been trained or instructed. :neutral_face:
This forum would have been invaluable if it had been on hand then.

Btw I managed with no dramas by asking other drivers on the boat, who were all very helpful, and gave me many invaluable tips for easiness.

Training was much longer, when i took my course (fair enough it was straight to class 1 in those days) the course was ten days, so you got a feel for driving large vehicles and there was time to do in depth vehicle handling and control, a whole day maneuvering not just repeating the test exercise, and of course all vehicles were manual gearboxes…which despite what anyone says demanded concentration but made traffic and maneuvering in particular a more controlled experience, after all of which you came out of the driving course with a much better feel for what was happening on the road…remember ABS and stability controls were unheard of so you soon realised how little grip tyres really ave on damp surfaces, so the lorry rat race wasn’t what it is now.

A little off topic (sorry) but the truth always comes out!

Many’s a time I have said how HGV/LGV training has changed over the years only to be told it’s always been the same. Thank you Juddian for the confirmation.

jakethesnake:
A little off topic (sorry) but the truth always comes out!

Many’s a time I have said how HGV/LGV training has changed over the years only to be told it’s always been the same. Thank you Juddian for the confirmation.

It’s the old saying Jake, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, it wasn’t broke but they had to interfere.

Proper in depth training costs money, full skills training cannot be done quickly nor on the cheap, nor should lorry training be in any way influenced by apparent advanced car driving techniques ie brakes to slow gears to go, lorries are not cars and the two should never ever be confused.

Juddian:
Training was much longer, when i took my course (fair enough it was straight to class 1 in those days) the course was ten days, so you got a feel for driving large vehicles…

You’ll have to excuse me Juddian, that was a little before my time. But does going straight for the class 1 entitle you to drive class 2 as well? If it does, you could almost say that modern tests where class 2 is a weeks training and class 1 is a separate weeks training, so training time is pretty much the same. Also, with hazard perception and theory tests there is now even more to learn before going on the road.

Add to that, I had to wait a month between tests which meant I got some experience of handling a large vehicle on the road before going for the artic licence. Experience which I found invaluable.

I have no experience of the test regime that you went through so cant really compare, but I dont think the current issues we have on the road are due to the differences in training.

Nite Owl:

Juddian:
Training was much longer, when i took my course (fair enough it was straight to class 1 in those days) the course was ten days, so you got a feel for driving large vehicles…

You’ll have to excuse me Juddian, that was a little before my time. But does going straight for the class 1 entitle you to drive class 2 as well? If it does, you could almost say that modern tests where class 2 is a weeks training and class 1 is a separate weeks training, so training time is pretty much the same. Also, with hazard perception and theory tests there is now even more to learn before going on the road.

Add to that, I had to wait a month between tests which meant I got some experience of handling a large vehicle on the road before going for the artic licence. Experience which I found invaluable.

I have no experience of the test regime that you went through so cant really compare, but I dont think the current issues we have on the road are due to the differences in training.

Good points, and yes a class 1 meant you got 2 and 3 and 4 as well.

Thing is i had 9.3 days actual concentrated driving with an instructor intent on teaching you to control that one artic, so hard going was he that the examiner on the late morning of the tenth was a blessed relief after Jimmy rather than the opposite.
The test route was obviously covered, but things like making you perform steep hill starts on slippery country roads where wheelspin was a given, daily full gearchanging exercises, going from crawler up to top and back down to crawler have all been dropped since, test standard emergency braking remember we had no ABS so it had to be a properly controlled stop not just plant your foot on the brake and hold on
Anyone who advocated ‘brakes to slow gears to go’ would have received the mother of all Glaswegian tongue lashings from Jimmy Morrison, i can still hear him barking ‘clear the hazard’, which meant you were past the junction/parked vehicles, whatever, so get your foot down and go.
Jimmy’s idea of the maneuvering exercise was to place a long chicane of cones out on the airfield with a target spot to end up in after you’d zig zagged through, once you’d perfected it going forwards you had to reverse the same route.
There was time for all of this in a full 9 and a bit days of driver training, that valuable time is missing now, it can’t in my honest opinion be replaced by theorising or paper tests.

I was like many young drivers of the time in that i’d spent years and hundreds of thousands of miles driving large vans and 7.5 tonners around the country until i was 21 and could take my HGV, those little old Ford D series shod on Michelins were one of the most lethal vehicles out there in the wet, it was like having 4 wheel steering and pointless brakes which would lock up without any effort at all.
I still think getting some expereince out on the road in smaller vehicles is invaluable, not just in learning the ropes and the roads, but by the time you’ve covered 100k or so in a large van restricted (voluntarily?) to 55mph would help stop those for whom lorry driving isn’t the answer from throwing their hard earned into the wind.