Westcan Bulk Transport - What A Nightmare!

Westcan Bulk Transport Canada - What A Nightmare !


(This is a Story From BritishExpats.com, It was just put up a few Days Ago.)

A big thank you to all the expat members who tried to help me out Last Year.

I’m back home in the UK now and working again.

It will take me many years now to replace the financial losses I sustained going to work for Westcan Bulk Transport in Alberta, at least that nightmare has finally ended for me, and I can get back to feeling like a decent human being again.

However, even though I am home now and on the up, I can’t help but worry for you lads who might follow me down that same Path … only to find yourselves in exactly the same nightmare I did … and like so many of the lads before me. So this thread is for you British Truckers thinking of going to work for Westcan Bulk Transport in Edmonton Alberta, I only wish I had found something like this prior to me making my decision to move to Canada and work for them … Nevermind.

I cannot stress to you enough right now the nightmare your opening yourself up to … Seriously … I went in 2013, full of enthusiasm and excitement to take on a new challenge after reaching the top of my profession back in the UK. I think if I’m honest … I made too many decisions with my heart instead of my head not investigating it properly prior to coming out here, don’t do what I done.

So I’ll start from the beginning … and please read it for your own sakes !

To get to Canada, I had to invest hundreds and hundreds pounds back in the UK, getting all the necessary certificates, Medicals and various other documentation needed to enter Canada. However the costs didn’t end when I arrived, another 3 Thousand dollars was spent in a Truck Driving school sitting my Canadian class 1 Licence, as your British Class 1 isn’t valid, and then Hundreds more dollars spent on the Air brake endorsement you have to have added to that class 1 Licence so you can drive trucks. Many hundreds of dollars more taking a theory and driving road exams and then more dollars again swapping over your UK Licences at the Registry Office for a new Canadian Licence.

Then hundreds more dollars on a pre-employment medical and drug and alcohol tests etc … You pay for all this … and you haven’t even started work yet ! Also during these weeks your living costs are piling up hotel bills or rent if you have sorted out accommodation. Car hire costs, transport and all the other general day to day living expenses are now mounting up fast ! So eventually if you succeed to overcome all this, and you only will if you’ve the financial means at hand. (I regrettably sold everything I owned back in the UK, just to fund this move to Canada, which in retrospect sadly just allowed me to continue with it).

At this stage you’ve probably invested between $15,000 to $20,000 CAD on your move depending, if your here by yourself or with your family like I was.

So if you successfully negotiate the above obstacles you’ll get a start date with Westcan Bulk Transport Edmonton and you haven’t lost your investment yet.

I arrived as instructed for my classroom training program, what “utter garbage” served to you by a training department only interested in selling Westcan to you, in an attempt to brainwash into not quitting once you finally get out in a truck on your own … If you can last that long. The OTP classroom is a minimum of 2wks of 8 hrs a day power points, presented to you by guys who either have no idea or don’t really care anymore what safety is or what it really means. Remember you will be driving Super “B” (two trailers) Road Tankers of Hazardous Materials on ice and snow for up to six months a year once your out on your own. These guys keep telling you they are the best … But never teach how to be the best

If their safety record is anything to go by … I’d hate to see the rest (

Anyway this is also the time when you find out that contract of employment you have in your back pocket, isn’t worth the paper it’s typed up on … It’s already served its purpose … which was two fold …

  1. To falsely give you a feeling of guarantee that your about to be treated fairly by people, so you commit the effort & investment to actually making the move.

  2. To get you through Canada Immigration with your LMIA, so you can obtain a Work Permit at yet another cost of $155 each … Which again you pay for (

  • You also find out at this stage that your on a “B” Rate of Pay for the next 12 months … which is a much lower rate than their own Canadian Drivers ( Ask them why … And Kassab the trainer will openly tell you in the classroom. This is how the company recouperates the cost of your airfare and training … 30 times over which is actually illegal under Canadian Immigration Law, but no one polices it or ever does anything about it. So this is the point you realize that your not paid by salary or by the hour as mentioned in your contract of employment.

Your paid by the load … and again this is really really bad and I’ll explain why a little further on so I don’t go off track now.

So you get your 7hrs @ $18 training pay … That’s $120 a day for the next 2 / 3 or even 4 weeks depending on how switched on you are at this side of things, or when they have a slot for you with a driver trainer to push you out into, so at least now you have your first dollars hitting your bank account even though you will not be covering your costs or anywhere near it yet … If ever !

Now the next hurdle is … The Driver Trainers … These guys get paid a lot of money to babysit you … around $120 a day on top of their wages … and when they get you, they don’t wanna let you go … you are now their cash cow ( You cannot go solo, until a driver trainer has signed you off as good to go, but if they sign you off, their money drops and then they have to get out in the cold and do the job by themselves. You decide who’s interests that’s in. Meanwhile your still on training pay and unable to make ends meet while they are milking sitting in the seat next to you and believe me they continue to keep you next to them long after your ready to go it alone and do the job competently … This again is really a bad situation for you I’ve seen drivers still with their driver trainers after eight weeks and they make no apology for Screwing you like this … It’s brutal.

So if your still with Westcan at this stage … meaning you haven’t quit and gone home because your broke or worse still broken, it’s only because you are locked in … because of the terms and conditions on your Work Permit which say you can “only work in Canada as a Truck Driver” which in itself is fine because thats what your there to do. However your Work Permit will also say you can only work for “Westcan” and that is the really bad bit because your very existence in Canada now depends on you being handcuffed to Westcan Bulk Transport … they have you by the proverbials … and boy they know it !

To work for another company in Canada as a truck driver, you need a new work permit, and to get one of these you need to successfully obtain a new LMIA, this takes time and money and restarting this process from the beginning yourself is a complete nightmare. However the likelihood is you will never get a 2nd LMIA, Because Westcan tell CIC that you quit and that you didn’t follow proper protocol despite at this stage you will have spoken to everyone and anyone you can get to listen. Westcan do this to everyone to cover their own backsides from being reprimanded by the government for being utterly brutal to normal human-beings
CIC now think it’s you that’s a problem … and not Westcan and are therefore a little reluctant to say the least, to issue another company with an LMIA for you.

Westcan really know this system to the point they probably know it better than CIC itself. Westcan’s entire business model has been built on decades exploiting Tempoary Foreign Workers to breaking point … Indeed every driver I met coiled away at the mention of their name and that includes the Canadian Drivers. They have everything sewn up in such away that you have no alternative other than to put up with their terrible treatment and working conditions or go home !

So if your still around at this stage and hoping for Permanent Residency to break the Westcan Shackles then be prepared for a long wait … Drivers are taking well over 4 years to get PR and as much as 5 years in some cases. Westcan won’t tell you this, but as you start talking to drivers they tell you how long they’ve been waiting and its a lot longer at Westcan than anywhere else. Drivers as soon as they get PR simply leave Westcan at the first available opportunity even driver trainers get out as quickly as they can that’s how shocking this company is as an employer.

So you finally get to go solo and the next few months you are either chasing up Westcan to arrange rack tests at the refineries to get your loaders badges or you are sitting around outside refineries waiting for a loader to come load your truck for you … Which you don’t get paid for … Because officially you didn’t load it (

Westcan may decide to put you on a 5 on 2 off 5 on 3 off shift pattern which now puts three drivers on a rolling shift pattern sharing two trucks. The truck handed over to you is invariably broken when you come to it … So usually your first shift is spent in the shop getting it fixed … If you defect it and leave it … It will still be broken then next day … You literally have to stand over the mechanics to get them to do anything, meanwhile your not earning any trip money. I spent nearly every first day on shift in the shop or in the canteen waiting for a truck to return that was stuck out from the day before … This is unpaid work … your in work but not going anywhere because of other people and therefore earning no pay.

If you dare to speak up … for anything and I mean anything, if you try to give a solution to an operational problems in an attempt to get the job moving along so you can become more productive for both yourself the company. You risk what is known internally as “The Treatment” … This is a systematic breaking down of the driver in such away that hes literally starved into submission. He’ll be given the run around for months … Broken trucks, bogus loads, then told to reset hours at home until next needed then left there for weeks on end. All the time he has to pay rent, eat, etc but with no pay coming into his bank … and this is deliberate !

I watched a decent grown mature man bullied by the office staff to the point he broke down in front of me like a sobbing child … It was utterly heartbreaking to witness and this was a man just trying to work, a few days later he was gone he just packed up and pulled out clearly a broken man. There were others too, this was by no means an isolated incident one by one the lads are picked off and put on the “treatment table” I was no different, one day from right out of nowhere it was my turn and they made it impossible for me to function. My one day a week in the shop became everyday in the shop, I was taken off my shift pattern and asked to take scrappers everyday. Trucks that were old and literally falling apart inside resembling the inside of a skip you wouldn’t want to sit in let alone live in for a week ( … If you don’t take it … you don’t get any pay … and because it’s illegal to earn money anywhere else because of terms of entry on your work visa you now have some very tough decisions to make.

If you do take them trucks you risk your safety and the safety of everybody else you may come in contact with in your day, not to mention the risk to personal health because of the nature of some of the diseases out here. You also run the risk of being pulled over for inspection by Transport Canada at the weigh-bridges which are mandatory stops on the highways. If you do get checked and they find a problem the fines are huge, trying to pay them on Westcan wages would be a horrendous blow, also you get demerit points on your licence abstract and these would go against you if you apply for a good job, and if you apply for Permanent Residency … Everything works against you at Westcan, if you take a flyer and get caught out breaking the law your days in Canada are numbered. If you keep your head and stay legal Westcan punishes you financially. I’ve kept Bi-Monthly payslips of $700 and that’s for 140 hours worked over two weeks most of them spent frustrated stood in the mechanics shop just trying to get the a truck legal and I don’t mean replacing windshield washer fluid, I’m talking brakes, running gear, ABS and Air system defects. I won’t mention about the type of tyres they use or how bald they have to be before they replace them (smh).

Remember this is a company that transports Liquid Hazardous Materials in Super “B” road tankers (two trailer combinations) across Canada, for half the year road conditions are appalling, the other half of the year you face different challenges. Needless to say, if you are the one who is going to be held responsible if things go wrong out here, then is it too much to ask to be given a fighting chance to do the job professionally, safely and cleanly with properly maintained equipment.

Westcan Bulk Transport business model is built on exploiting Temporary Foreign Workers by paying them the industries lowest wages, dropping that even further in the first year while they illegally recouperate their costs and much more. They use financial hardship like a management tool on the TFW drivers with the view to forcing them into doing literally anything to avoid management conflict or as they call it …“The Treatment Table” This is a merciless bully employer the likes of which I have never experienced before and hopefully never ever see again. So I hope Transport Canada has a close look at this operation soon, In my opinion it’s an major accident waiting to happen … Guys seriously don’t invest in this !

Sounds cool, when can I start with them.?

Not the first tale like this I’ve heard. Its a sobering thought, thanks for posting, good luck with being back in the UK.? :wink:

Very interesting read. All the best with your future plans and I hope you can recoup some of your losses by getting better work back in UK.

Great read. Don’t think I’ll be leaving blighty anytime soon.

Whilst I’m not doubting anything said here, it doesn’t mirror my experience in Canada, and the financial costs he incurred are FAR higher than I paid. From starting the process to my first drivers wage packet I spent maybe £1500. All medical costs, training and license costs were met by my Employer and I was paid a basic weekly wage from the moment I landed.

So the advice to anyone contemplating a move is research, research and more research.

This story is not about me, it’s a story by another driver who posted it on BritishExpats.com, (as I stated at the start of the story.) I just thought it was a good honest story to post here for drivers who are looking at this company and thinking about going to Canada.

I too had a dream of living in Canada and spoke to westcan about 7 years ago now after being impressed looking at there website. A guy I worked for went out there working for them and within 6 months he was back home ,he was a very strong could say selfish character so I thought if he couldn’t hack it I defo couldn’t. He warned me off about them so that was that. Then later that year I went to what I thought was a info day at an hotel in Manchester hosted by Canadian truck company. There was the Canadian MD of the company and a cockney driver and they had a one on one with me telling me how good and easy it was out there and at the end of it they offered me a job. It was all a little to false for me and after having a couple of days to think about it I decided to decline their offer and forget all about Canada .
I worked and still do work 4 on 4 off so to swap that for 12 on 3 off with no guarantee of permanent residency in Canada was to much of a gamble for me
If it’s to good to be true then it usually is

overdrive:
I too had a dream of living in Canada and spoke to westcan about 7 years ago now after being impressed looking at there website. A guy I worked for went out there working for them and within 6 months he was back home ,he was a very strong could say selfish character so I thought if he couldn’t hack it I defo couldn’t. He warned me off about them so that was that. Then later that year I went to what I thought was a info day at an hotel in Manchester hosted by Canadian truck company. There was the Canadian MD of the company and a cockney driver and they had a one on one with me telling me how good and easy it was out there and at the end of it they offered me a job. It was all a little to false for me and after having a couple of days to think about it I decided to decline their offer and forget all about Canada .
I worked and still do work 4 on 4 off so to swap that for 12 on 3 off with no guarantee of permanent residency in Canada was to much of a gamble for me
If it’s to good to be true then it usually is

mate i too went to the H&R Transport recruitment push in Manc…,good few years ago now(when Canada was all the rage for some reason) and had exactly the same doubts as you- …couldnt have put it better myself

I think it says more about the pitfalls of the diabolical draconian immigration regime which historically selectively applies such as in the case of UK workers looking for work in places like Canada as opposed to immigrant labour looking for work here.It would be no surprise that some employers would obviously take advantage of that situation.

Which leaves the question as to why it seems no problem for east Euro or Asian etc immigrants to get work in USA or Oz for example while the the door remains firmly closed to Brits just as it was in Canada not long ago.Or why it seems easier for some chosen ethnic groups to be accepted for Canadian immigration than it is for Brits.IE a hidden quota system which discriminates against emigrant Brits while subjecting the domestic labour market to wholesale immigration without limit.

In which case it seems to have the UK government’s grubby paw prints all over it as part of an agenda of making life as difficult as possible for emigrant Brits while maintaining easy immigration here in order to keep the situation of the rigged UK labour market on track. :bulb:

Yer that was them h&r they tried to fill my head full of wonderful stories . the cockney guy (or was he from Yorkshire can’t remember ) would spiell all the ■■■■ and act as though he was your best friend told me if I didn’t like the 12 days away from my family he would put me on shunting in the yard and I would be home every day …yer right !
Mate we had a lucky escape
Bunch of charletons

bloody hell,i thought my life as a driver here was bad enough,its a walk in the park after your story

Isn’t it just not a million miles away from the tradeplater outfits in this country that rely on a constant churn of staff that don’t know the score?

Westcan offered me a job in 2008/09, but couldn’t sell the house… Thank ■■■■ for that

dm61:

overdrive:
I too had a dream of living in Canada and spoke to westcan about 7 years ago now after being impressed looking at there website. A guy I worked for went out there working for them and within 6 months he was back home ,he was a very strong could say selfish character so I thought if he couldn’t hack it I defo couldn’t. He warned me off about them so that was that. Then later that year I went to what I thought was a info day at an hotel in Manchester hosted by Canadian truck company. There was the Canadian MD of the company and a cockney driver and they had a one on one with me telling me how good and easy it was out there and at the end of it they offered me a job. It was all a little to false for me and after having a couple of days to think about it I decided to decline their offer and forget all about Canada .
I worked and still do work 4 on 4 off so to swap that for 12 on 3 off with no guarantee of permanent residency in Canada was to much of a gamble for me
If it’s to good to be true then it usually is

mate i too went to the H&R Transport recruitment push in Manc…,good few years ago now(when Canada was all the rage for some reason) and had exactly the same doubts as you- …couldnt have put it better myself

overdrive:
Yer that was them h&r they tried to fill my head full of wonderful stories . the cockney guy (or was he from Yorkshire can’t remember ) would spiell all the [zb] and act as though he was your best friend told me if I didn’t like the 12 days away from my family he would put me on shunting in the yard and I would be home every day …yer right !
Mate we had a lucky escape
Bunch of charletons

I came over with H&R nearly 8 yrs ago, Steve was the bloke who was recruiting in Manchester, he come across as a wideboy but was a sound bloke when you got out here.
The shunting job was true, they had just got a new contract and needed 9 shunters.
I was single at the time I moved and IMHO, it’s a job for single people not families. I lived in the truck for 3 yrs.
Many have come and gone from H&R and a fair few, not because of H&R, but because they couldn’t/wouldn’t adapt to the way things work here, wanting to only do the best runs, be home every weekend, then when they get low wages, start whining.
If you run hard, you earn good money.

Carryfast:
I think it says more about the pitfalls of the diabolical draconian immigration regime which historically selectively applies such as in the case of UK workers looking for work in places like Canada as opposed to immigrant labour looking for work here.It would be no surprise that some employers would obviously take advantage of that situation.

Which leaves the question as to why it seems no problem for east Euro or Asian etc immigrants to get work in USA or Oz for example while the the door remains firmly closed to Brits just as it was in Canada not long ago.Or why it seems easier for some chosen ethnic groups to be accepted for Canadian immigration than it is for Brits.IE a hidden quota system which discriminates against emigrant Brits while subjecting the domestic labour market to wholesale immigration without limit.

In which case it seems to have the UK government’s grubby paw prints all over it as part of an agenda of making life as difficult as possible for emigrant Brits while maintaining easy immigration here in order to keep the situation of the rigged UK labour market on track. :bulb:

Carryfast you really are in the wrong job, you should apply to be a labour MP, as you are so full of Verbal diarrhoea.
You know absolutely nothing about the immigrant work process in either the USA or OZ so best you keep your fantasies to yourself, and to be fair this thread was here to warn other drivers about following this route. And not here for you to bleat on with your moronic political clap trap.

I ‘at the risk of agreeing with carryfast for once’ am certain another post on the ex pat forum stated EXACTLY what his point in question is!

Canada is now over run with eastern euro/Asian cheap labour.

but either way am glad I backed out when I looked into it, to me if they need to come over here to promote the job that much its certainly too good to be true.

War 1974 pretty much hit the nail on the head. If Canadian companies cannot recruit Canadian drivers then the job is not going to be very good. I came to Canada in 2006 and have seen many Brits come and go. If you are single and want to do it for the craic then it will suit you fine. If you have a family and are looking for a new life then it is going to be a long hard slog. But it can be done. Volvo in Winnipeg have sold more than a dozen trucks to Brits who have started as Owner/Operators in the last 18 months.

yoyo5:

Carryfast:
I think it says more about the pitfalls of the diabolical draconian immigration regime which historically selectively applies such as in the case of UK workers looking for work in places like Canada as opposed to immigrant labour looking for work here.It would be no surprise that some employers would obviously take advantage of that situation.

Which leaves the question as to why it seems no problem for east Euro or Asian etc immigrants to get work in USA or Oz for example while the the door remains firmly closed to Brits just as it was in Canada not long ago.Or why it seems easier for some chosen ethnic groups to be accepted for Canadian immigration than it is for Brits.IE a hidden quota system which discriminates against emigrant Brits while subjecting the domestic labour market to wholesale immigration without limit.

In which case it seems to have the UK government’s grubby paw prints all over it as part of an agenda of making life as difficult as possible for emigrant Brits while maintaining easy immigration here in order to keep the situation of the rigged UK labour market on track. :bulb:

Carryfast you really are in the wrong job, you should apply to be a labour MP, as you are so full of Verbal diarrhoea.
You know absolutely nothing about the immigrant work process in either the USA or OZ so best you keep your fantasies to yourself, and to be fair this thread was here to warn other drivers about following this route. And not here for you to bleat on with your moronic political clap trap.

Really.Feel free to explain exactly which bit I’ve got wrong at least in terms of the situation regards USA for one example.Or for that matter Brits being retrospectively deported from NZ the government there having retrospectively changed the immigration status of Brit truck drivers.As for Oz who knows but I don’t think it is any better than NZ.While the Brit-Canadian immigration situation is clear to all as to the way in which it stinks.When compared to the obvious open door immigration policy of either country regards other ‘Commonwealth’ or east Euro Labour which lets just say has lower ‘expectations’ regards working conditions. :unamused:

As for Labour no I think my ideas have more in common with UKIP (now wait for the usual racist bs ).

Think ill give this one a miss then. Anyone know if Van denBosch are any good to work for? :smiley: :smiley: