Juddian:
citycat:
In tonight’s paperNow let me think, which overpaid hypocrit edits that rag
Err, I think you’ll find that’s a spoof of that rag. 
I wonder… Could it have anything to do with the fact that train drivers have a strong Union who looks after their member’s interests.
Nah it can’t possiblly be, you must have read all the anti Union comments on here (from the guys on 10/11 quid an hour 
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Unions are a waste of ■■■■ time apparentlly according to them. 
What was that hourly rate/salary again?
Piece of ■■■■ getting the wages you want when you are all united in wanting the same thing & one individual workforce have the ability to hold a whole city to ransom to get it. When London Underground workers down tools, there is no Stobart Rail or whatever to wade in and take over operations.
Lorry drivers could collectively hold the country to ransom, but don’t agree on wanting the same thing. We wouldn’t even get agreement in our yard over a fight for less hours, the trampers mostly want to do 60-70 and don’t want to go home. Nor would you get the guys in good jobs walking out for the sake of the poor saps in crap ones.
Keep dreaming fellas.
No nationally it wouldn’t work on the lorries, but it can work on a depot/company basis.
Unions can be one answer, and generally where the best terms and conditions are found the job is unionised, but we’re not talking the days of ‘all out’ cos the tea machine has run out of milk.
Generally common sense applies in most good places, and where the job is good and well paid most of the drivers realise they are on to a good thing and put the effort in to make the job pay for the company, cos if they don’t make a profit the job aint going to last, and i dunno about you but i want good jobs to stay not be just another one lost down memory lane.
Unfortunately you always find that growing minority of fools who don’t appreciate what they have, damage? pah it aint my lorry, don’t look after the equipment as if its their own, don’t take a pride in their job or the product or their appearance and general demeanour, don’t try to save fuel and run economically, and if the job supports full sick pay boy do they bloody milk it forgetting ( ie not giving a flying one) that not only are they being paid the company have had to hire in someone who may not be trained so the costs escalate massively and their reliable colleagues as usual have to pick up the slack…we have another thread running currently which highlights exactly what i’m talking about…and before you know it they’ll be wondering why the same rat hole logistics mob they were glad to leave 3 years earlier has ‘won’ the contract where they are now because the company owners have had enough of banging their heads against the bloody wall 
and decided to hand the transport out to a contractor.
Ironically you often find the game players won’t join the union anyway (but have no trouble trousering the long won benefits), and child like think the money trees of Croydon are still in full bloom because they dropped on a pukka job, often coming from one of the rag tag of logistics rat holes where they were a number and spoken to like a kiddie fiddler might reasonably expect, amazed at how good the new job is, and they’ve forgotten how the real world was before when they were outside the good gates in about 5 minutes flat
Its £55,011 no extra for Saturdays and B. holidays.
https://www.aslef.org.uk/article.php?group_id=3449
Don`t believe the newspaper BULL.
Transport for London (TfL) is a local government body an not a Private company.
merc0447:
London tube drivers are on 100k from what I’ve read. I’ve applied twice to be a train driver, once to ScotRail and once to freightliner. I’ve never had any joy though.I really don’t know why it isn’t some computer driving them, surely it would be easier to have a self driving train than a self driving car/truck.
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Keep trying they get hundreds and hundreds of applications for each vacancy, if you got a job as a conductor or platform staff it would help, I was a signalman and was offered an interview twice in 11 years but that was in the early 80s. and they have silly o’clock starts, where I was on a 2/3 shift system depending on which box I was at, as I was General Purpose/Holiday Relief (King Gobbler) signalman.
I saw a post on the Daily Mail from a reader saying “and they dont even have Degrees” as if to say no Degree and your an halfwit incapable of anything slightly complicated.
I was surprised at the amount of automation on the Tube now, and I would suspect there are plans to thin them out waiting for the right time to be brought in
Scotrail indeed.co.uk/m/viewjob?jk=8 … 3&dupclk=0
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sammym:
albion:
sammym:
edd1974:
I know there on good money same as train drivers.Only problem is it’s a closed shop. Got know the right people to get in there.
Plus not many vacancies as if your in there on a good job it’s highly unlikely your Gona leave unless your forced out.To be honest I’m surprised the tube hasn’t become driverless automatic
Go to london and get on the DLR.
The driverless trains exist - with the right tracks and infrastructure. The unions quite rightly are stopping their further role out.
On health and safety grounds? Or because it puts people out of work?
Health and safety grounds don’t appear so important on the DLR albion…
Or on any of these: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a … ay_systems
As I’ve said I think the infrastructure would need improving on the underground. Although I’m no expert.
And I have no problem with the unions protecting their members jobs. It’s what they are there to do. I was just responding to someone who said he was surprised it hadn’t become driverless.
And I was just asking since h&s was often cited in the case of guards losing their jobs, so I wondered if it was that or the jobs issue. Trouble with progress is that it will come one day, and to more and more of us.
This thread really shows how the divide and conquer strategy has worked so well for the ruling classes.
Here we’ve got an example of workers, probably about as closely related to lorry drivers as you can get, on properly good money for doing their jobs. Instead of being pleased for them, and wanting to learn how they’ve done it and what lessons our industry could take from it… for the most part, we’ve got outrage and wishing automation take their jobs! 