The company I work at was bought out by another about a month ago, before the take over we were told nothing will change which everyone assumed would be our original terms and conditions and wage structure.
Now, after a month since the take over we have been informed that we will now have 45 mins a day taken off our pay, which I assume the new company do with their original staff, we had always been guaranteed 10 hours a day at £■■ an hour Monday to Friday and £■■ after 10 paid straight through without any deductions for breaks, would this be acceptable under T.U.P.E?
My self and 2 other drivers only found this out yesterday, we are paid monthly, would they be able to apply this change this change on the current pay month, or would they have to wait until the start of the next pay month?
My understanding is, we will no longer be on a guaranteed 10 hours a day, but paid only for the hours we work minus the 45 mins.
I would contact either Citizens Advice or ACAS as soon as possible and get accurate clarification of your entitlements.
I’m no expert but i think that constitutes a change in contract with i believe they need to give you a notice period but as has been said get legal advise
Another company wanting you to work for even LESS, and hope you don’t notice■■?
Some info can be found here:
acas.org.uk/tupe
weeto:
The company I work at was bought out by another about a month ago, before the take over we were told nothing will change which everyone assumed would be our original terms and conditions and wage structure.
Now, after a month since the take over we have been informed that we will now have 45 mins a day taken off our pay, which I assume the new company do with their original staff, we had always been guaranteed 10 hours a day at £■■ an hour Monday to Friday and £■■ after 10 paid straight through without any deductions for breaks, would this be acceptable under T.U.P.E?
My self and 2 other drivers only found this out yesterday, we are paid monthly, would they be able to apply this change this change on the current pay month, or would they have to wait until the start of the next pay month?
My understanding is, we will no longer be on a guaranteed 10 hours a day, but paid only for the hours we work minus the 45 mins.
I’m under the impression that you have to get 12 weeks notice to any change off T&C’s. Also, under TUPE, I think that they have to compensate you for any change that will adversely affect you. Effectively buy your contract.
Sounds like Jack Richards to pay scheme 
That’s why I drive past their yard every Monday morning on my way to the land of better wages 
eddie snax:
weeto:
The company I work at was bought out by another about a month ago, before the take over we were told nothing will change which everyone assumed would be our original terms and conditions and wage structure.
Now, after a month since the take over we have been informed that we will now have 45 mins a day taken off our pay, which I assume the new company do with their original staff, we had always been guaranteed 10 hours a day at £■■ an hour Monday to Friday and £■■ after 10 paid straight through without any deductions for breaks, would this be acceptable under T.U.P.E?
My self and 2 other drivers only found this out yesterday, we are paid monthly, would they be able to apply this change this change on the current pay month, or would they have to wait until the start of the next pay month?
My understanding is, we will no longer be on a guaranteed 10 hours a day, but paid only for the hours we work minus the 45 mins.I’m under the impression that you have to get 12 weeks notice to any change off T&C’s. Also, under TUPE, I think that they have to compensate you for any change that will adversely affect you. Effectively buy your contract.
Sounds like Jack Richards to pay scheme
That’s why I drive past their yard every Monday morning on my way to the land of better wages
So you worked for the smoke and mirrors setup as well.
Richards Reliably Ripping off their staff? 
waddy640:
eddie snax:
weeto:
The company I work at was bought out by another about a month ago, before the take over we were told nothing will change which everyone assumed would be our original terms and conditions and wage structure.
Now, after a month since the take over we have been informed that we will now have 45 mins a day taken off our pay, which I assume the new company do with their original staff, we had always been guaranteed 10 hours a day at £■■ an hour Monday to Friday and £■■ after 10 paid straight through without any deductions for breaks, would this be acceptable under T.U.P.E?
My self and 2 other drivers only found this out yesterday, we are paid monthly, would they be able to apply this change this change on the current pay month, or would they have to wait until the start of the next pay month?
My understanding is, we will no longer be on a guaranteed 10 hours a day, but paid only for the hours we work minus the 45 mins.I’m under the impression that you have to get 12 weeks notice to any change off T&C’s. Also, under TUPE, I think that they have to compensate you for any change that will adversely affect you. Effectively buy your contract.
Sounds like Jack Richards to pay scheme
That’s why I drive past their yard every Monday morning on my way to the land of better wages
So you worked for the smoke and mirrors setup as well.
No, I turned down their generous offer 12yrs ago.
1 The company I work at was bought out by another about a month ago, before the take over we were told nothing will change which everyone assumed would be our original terms and conditions and wage structure.
2 Now, after a month since the take over we have been informed that we will now have 45 mins a day taken off our pay, which I assume the new company do with their original staff, we had always been guaranteed 10 hours a day at £■■ an hour Monday to Friday and £■■ after 10 paid straight through without any deductions for breaks,
3 would this be acceptable under T.U.P.E?
4 My self and 2 other drivers only found this out yesterday, we are paid monthly, would they be able to apply this change this change on the current pay month, or would they have to wait until the start of the next pay month?
5 My understanding is, we will no longer be on a guaranteed 10 hours a day, but paid only for the hours we work minus the 45 mins.
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1 That is correct your terms and conditions remain the same
2 If the new company have deductions from there day, then this has nothing to do with you ( they cannot harmonise your contract down too lesser T&Cs)
3 You keep your existing T&Cs
4 They cannot unilaterally change your T&Cs
5 Now here is where it gets interesting your new employer is offering your a change in your T&Cs, it is known as OCA (offer,consideration,acceptence). He is offering you a change in your T&Cs, he will wait a set length of time which will be the consideration period, then after that period and YOU DO NOTHING then you have accepted the change in your T&Cs.
You need to act now and threaten them with an illegal deduction of wage claim, as they have deducted 45mins per day. Write to them and inform them that as you was tuped across your T&Cs remain unchanged and you think that it must be a mistake to have been deducted 45mins and pls correct the mistake, otherwise you will make an illegal deduction of wage claim against them. TUPE regs have no time limit on them, but they can change them with a very good ETO(Economical,technical or organisational) reason. Tupe regs are very much case specific but it looks like it may be a mistake or your employer is chancing his arm.
If your in a union ring your regional officer.
codge123:
You need to act now and threaten them with an illegal deduction of wage claim, as they have deducted 45mins per day. Write to them and inform them that as you was tuped across your T&Cs remain unchanged and you think that it must be a mistake to have been deducted 45mins and pls correct the mistake, otherwise you will make an illegal deduction of wage claim against them. TUPE regs have no time limit on them, but they can change them with a very good ETO(Economical,technical or organisational) reason. Tupe regs are very much case specific but it looks like it may be a mistake or your employer is chancing his arm.
If your in a union ring your regional officer.
Ah that makes some sense to a couple of companies I’ve worked for.
1 company(though I had recently left at the time) gave all the Drivers 12 weeks notice to change their wage structure, which would reduce overall Pay. The drivers were informed (in writing) that if they carried on working after the set date, then their wages would be under the new(worse) terms with continuation of service, but that if they did not wish to work under the terms, then they would be paid off at basic redundancy levels. 
I could not believe that this was legal, but it was said to be, and the firm had union representation, so I would have thought that their lawyers would have been all over it
the other case I came across, was at a firm I went to work for. 6 mths or so prior to Me starting, this company had brought out another firm, that firm had worse pay, and many off their drivers thought they were in for a substancial pay rise. To get around this, the purchasing company parked their current pay scheme, leaving all their current drivers on that pay. They then started new drivers at the pay level off the firm they’d brought out, thus negating the need to increase the pay for those drivers who’d transferred on tupe. Again, apparently all legal, but very divisive
Thanks for the replies, turns out one of the drivers is a member of unite so I’ve told him to ask them for advice as well.
eddie snax:
weeto:
The company I work at was bought out by another about a month ago, before the take over we were told nothing will change which everyone assumed would be our original terms and conditions and wage structure.
Now, after a month since the take over we have been informed that we will now have 45 mins a day taken off our pay, which I assume the new company do with their original staff, we had always been guaranteed 10 hours a day at £■■ an hour Monday to Friday and £■■ after 10 paid straight through without any deductions for breaks, would this be acceptable under T.U.P.E?
My self and 2 other drivers only found this out yesterday, we are paid monthly, would they be able to apply this change this change on the current pay month, or would they have to wait until the start of the next pay month?
My understanding is, we will no longer be on a guaranteed 10 hours a day, but paid only for the hours we work minus the 45 mins.I’m under the impression that you have to get 12 weeks notice to any change off T&C’s. Also, under TUPE, I think that they have to compensate you for any change that will adversely affect you. Effectively buy your contract.
Sounds like Jack Richards to pay scheme
That’s why I drive past their yard every Monday morning on my way to the land of better wages
I always assumed JR was a good place to work, but in many an RDC I’ve come across a little guy that works for them. A very angry chap he is too. They are falling out because he won’t use POA to max his hours out.
Maybe he won’t book it as break because he keeps whipping out a box of baby wipes the size of pillow cases, and then starts cleaning up the waiting room before he converts it into his mobile office.
If I had a pound for every time I’ve heard him say “they tell me I’m being militant” I could buy a laptop the size of his. Mind you he is really tiny, it might just be a smartphone,