Weekly/Daily rest question

Hi all

This is my first post, so be gentle :open_mouth:
I’m reading up for my theory test at the moment, and i’m paying a lot of attention to the drivers hours section so i’ve got it all straight in my head.

At the moment i’m a taxi driver and as i’m not expecting big money when I pass class 2, I was planning on doing a bit of taxi’ing on my rest days etc. One point in the drivers hours document (downloaded from here :sunglasses: ) states that you can’t do any other form of official work, so I’m wondering if i’ll have to sell the cab when I start driving Tonka toys??

Robster_1981:
Hi all

This is my first post, so be gentle :open_mouth:
I’m reading up for my theory test at the moment, and i’m paying a lot of attention to the drivers hours section so i’ve got it all straight in my head.

At the moment i’m a taxi driver and as i’m not expecting big money when I pass class 2, I was planning on doing a bit of taxi’ing on my rest days etc. One point in the drivers hours document (downloaded from here :sunglasses: ) states that you can’t do any other form of official work, so I’m wondering if i’ll have to sell the cab when I start driving Tonka toys??

There’s no such regulation.

Is this the document that you read ?

Perhaps you could let us know which part of the regulations you think says this and someone here will be able to clarify it for you :wink:

You could do taxi driving and lorry driving in the same week, but you would need to be careful of what hours you work.

**:D :smiley: :smiley: Welcome Robster_1981 :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:**

Robster_1981:
At the moment i’m a taxi driver and as i’m not expecting big money when I pass class 2, I was planning on doing a bit of taxi’ing on my rest days etc. One point in the drivers hours document (downloaded from here :sunglasses: ) states that you can’t do any other form of official work, so I’m wondering if i’ll have to sell the cab when I start driving Tonka toys??

Any other work done in a week (Sun midnight to Sun midnight) where you came under EU LGV driver regs at any time in that week, must be put onto a seperate tacho disc with your name, start & finish time on it.
This is because you must show that you have complied with the WEEKLY rest regulations.
For most people this usually means that they can work for one day every other weekend if their usual job is Mon to Fri. This does depend on what exacly you are doing, hours wise, in your usual job.

If you click the link in my signature it will lead you to an index where you can access a lot of info which may be of use to you :smiley: :smiley:

To book any LGV training I suggest the trainee-to-be, visits the training school, meets the head person(s) and has a quick look at the truck BEFORE parting with any money.

Using the site Search facility at the top of this page and putting the words TRAINING AND WHERE you wish to train may turn up some recommendations. :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

GENERAL DRIVING TIPS BEFORE STARTING LGV C TRAINING

A number of LGV instructors, myself included, are finding that the general driving standard of many trainees coming to do their LGV ‘C’ course is not at a very high standard.
I have had a number who ‘THINK’ they are good but find myself having to go ‘BACK TO BASICS’ before they can really start learning how to handle a truck.
For the trainee this means wasted time on the course and that means that the trainee is paying good money to be taught how to drive again :exclamation:

There are a number of things that a driver can do before starting their first LGV training course to improve their general driving.

The obvious ones are to practise the DSA procedures, which could mean losing the rear view mirror, and then, every time to set off, doing the mirror, mirror, blind spot routine. Checking BOTH side mirrors before moving within the lane you are in, signalling or before the increasing & decreasing of your speed.

The less obvious is to practise forward planning — the THINKING bit.

A good way of doing this is to use your brakes a lot less than what you do at present — sounds daft but think about it — to use the brakes less then you will have to ease off earlier — to ease off earlier you will have to plan ahead more.
I don’t mean by changing down through the gearbox either as that will waste fuel.
A good example would be when approaching a queue of standing traffic, which is waiting for traffic lights to change or waiting to enter a roundabout.
The moment you see the queue, check mirrors and ease off in the gear you are in. let the vehicle slow down on it’s own, dipping the clutch as necessary to control any possible stalling. If the vehicle gets to the lowest gear speed (usually first gear) then engage that gear.
If, whilst easing off, you anticipate that the traffic is going to proceed, then engage the gear that will take you with them without rushing up to the rear of the queue.
You will be leaving a large area of tarmac in front of your vehicle when you ease off early. If another vehicle goes into the gap then re-adjust to accommodate it. If you curse at the vehicle that went into your forward space then decide if a few feet of tarmac is worth getting stressed over!!

When following other traffic, do you touch your brakes when they touch theirs? — If yes, then you are too close. Back off so that you can ease off without the use of brakes. Again, this requires a good deal of forward planning, which will be very useful when you drive a truck.

The general idea is to never stop but to keep moving forward even if at a very slow pace.

If you have to use the brakes then plan to use them gradually. Start by taking up the play of the pedal then resting the weight of your foot & leg on the pedal. That is then followed by squeezing down onto the pedal and squeeze down to a depth that will do the job during the middle of your braking so that you can ease off the pedal well before you actually need to come to a stop.

tachograph:
Perhaps you could let us know which part of the regulations you think says this and someone here will be able to clarify it for you :wink:

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from dft document:
A rest is an uninterrupted period where a driver may freely dispose of his time. Time spent working in
other employment or under obligation or instruction, regardless of the occupation type, cannot be
counted as rest, including work where you are self-employed.

That was the document I read and the above paragraph is copied directly from it, so it just got me thinking :confused: Obviously I’m not going to be working round the clock, but I was planning on a couple of evenings in the week and one day/night at weekend (depending on my shifts of course!)

By the way, thanks for the welcome Rog :slight_smile:
I’ve signed up with Stockport LGV and I’m rareing to get going with the training as soon as my theory test is out of the way!!

You cannot count time spent at work, or “on duty and available for work”, as rest.

However, that doesn’t necessarily prohibit you from driving.

For example - you could have a 9-5 office job Monday-Friday, and still do one Saturday or Sunday driving LGVs every other weekend.

Some things to remember:

  • Days spent doing taxi work are “other work” - i.e. each counts for a working shift.
  • No more than 6 working shifts in a row, after which you need an unbroken weekly rest of a minimum of 24 hours. This is why I said Saturday OR Sunday. The 5 office shifts Monday-Friday all count.
  • You must have a minimum unbroken 45-hour weekly rest every fortnight. That’s why I said every OTHER weekend.
  • If you drive LGVs under tacho regs on any day during a week (Monday-Sunday), you must create a complete record of all hours worked for the whole week, in an approved manner (on tacho cards, digital tacho paper, or by entering the data into the digital tacho itself

Robster_1981:
That was the document I read and the above paragraph is copied directly from it, so it just got me thinking :confused: Obviously I’m not going to be working round the clock, but I was planning on a couple of evenings in the week and one day/night at weekend (depending on my shifts of course!)

The best thing you could do is to put on here exactly what hours of each job you intend to do and then see if the gurus on here tell you whether it is legal or not :bulb: :bulb:

I won’t really know what hours i’ll be doing until I get a job driving Rigids, which I can’t do until I pass my test :unamused: I’m worrying about it far too early I think lol

At a guess, I’ll be looking for a full time driving job, and then hopefully being able to do a 10-12 hour stint on the cabs on a Saturday night. If the money on the LGV’s covers me for my bills then i’ll just jack in cabbing as I can’t be doing with it anymore anyway!!

I really didn’t realise there was so much involved with recording work…how do you guys keep a track of everything? I guess it’s just a case of being methodical and keeping on top of things as you work