Really, how? I should have asked but…
Analogue tacho and boxes?
I’ve only ever used a Digi with Other Work, Driving and Breaks. Why would you use POA and how would you benefit?
OK, ready for the slagging off, just cos I don’t know and should…
Yorkysays:-:
Really, how? I should have asked but…
Analogue tacho and boxes?
I’ve only ever used a Digi with Other Work, Driving and Breaks. Why would you use POA and how would you benefit?OK, ready for the slagging off, just cos I don’t know and should…
POA and break do not count towards the RTD working time
Most will use break if they get paid for recording it because the rules for break are less than the ones for POA
ROG:
Yorkysays:-:
Really, how? I should have asked but…
Analogue tacho and boxes?
I’ve only ever used a Digi with Other Work, Driving and Breaks. Why would you use POA and how would you benefit?OK, ready for the slagging off, just cos I don’t know and should…
POA and break do not count towards the RTD working time
Most will use break if they get paid for recording it because the rules for break are less than the ones for POA
OK, thanks.
So, wouldn’t it be ‘better’ for me just to put it on Break, at least I’ll be ‘OK’ on that side of things? The Chap never said if you’re paid for breaks, guess you must be, or, the most they can take off is 90mins, yes?
Always ask re breaks and being paid because some companies/agencies will deduct a set amount whereas others will deduct all breaks - there is no fixed rule so check your contract before starting or accepting a job
ROG:
Always ask re breaks and being paid because some companies/agencies will deduct a set amount whereas others will deduct all breaks - there is no fixed rule so check your contract before starting or accepting a job
Thanks again, if breaks are paid, then putting it on break is better than poa?
Yorkysays:-:
ROG:
Always ask re breaks and being paid because some companies/agencies will deduct a set amount whereas others will deduct all breaks - there is no fixed rule so check your contract before starting or accepting a jobThanks again, if breaks are paid, then putting it on break is better than poa?
Yes.
Because there are a set of pre-requisite rules associated with POA which make it more complex than Break.
Cheers, strange that he’d say that. Best I check it out with him.
Who the ■■■■ uses analogue nowadays? What’s the point? Gotta get a timer or buy a naffing app, ffs.
Yorkysays:-:
Cheers, strange that he’d say that. Best I check it out with him.
Who the [zb] uses analogue nowadays? What’s the point? Gotta get a timer or buy a naffing app, ffs.
Only newer trucks (post 2006) have to be fitted with a Digi Tacho.
Anything prior to that is analogue.
There are pros and cons to both systems.
Getting a timer is a good plan until you have got your head round it all.
dar1976:
Yorkysays:-:
Cheers, strange that he’d say that. Best I check it out with him.
Who the [zb] uses analogue nowadays? What’s the point? Gotta get a timer or buy a naffing app, ffs.Only newer trucks (post 2006) have to be fitted with a Digi Tacho.
Anything prior to that is analogue.
There are pros and cons to both systems.
Getting a timer is a good plan until you have got your head round it all.
Can’t see any pros for analogue, you can’t just push a button to see what you’ve done or do a printout.
If you have driven 1 hour. Then sat on a bay for an hour on break, then you have cleared that hour driving. If you then have 6 hours drive to your tipping point you will need a full 45 minute break.
If you used half hour break, and half hour poa on the bay, then you won’t have cleared that hour drive, so you can technically do with just a half hour break after the next 3 1/2 hour drive.
I know it doesn’t sound like a big saving, 15 minutes, but it can often mean making a booking time/getting home/getting ferry etc.
Make sure you know what you are paid for. If your contract says £xxxxx for 48 wtd hours then you don’t really want to doing any POA and only those breaks that you must legally take. POA if you’re not paid is simply taking yourself off the clock, and is why you may be encouraged to book lots of it.
Being paid for driving hours only is pretty much the same as being paid by the mile. It would be OK if it is trunking with a quick turnaround, but a disaster if it was RDC work.
happysack:
If you have driven 1 hour. Then sat on a bay for an hour on break, then you have cleared that hour driving. If you then have 6 hours drive to your tipping point you will need a full 45 minute break.If you used half hour break, and half hour poa on the bay, then you won’t have cleared that hour drive, so you can technically do with just a half hour break after the next 3 1/2 hour drive.
I know it doesn’t sound like a big saving, 15 minutes, but it can often mean making a booking time/getting home/getting ferry etc.
Yea I’ve done that before, but used ‘Other Work’ after 20 mins ‘break’.
See what your saying though.
Wiretwister:
Make sure you know what you are paid for. If your contract says £xxxxx for 48 wtd hours then you don’t really want to doing any POA and only those breaks that you must legally take. POA if you’re not paid is simply taking yourself off the clock, and is why you may be encouraged to book lots of it.
Ummm, being tipped is ‘Other Work’, isn’t it? Depending on the next job and drive I’d have first pulled a bread, 20 or 50 then put it on ‘Other work’. You can’t really be on a POA, can you? Wouldn’t you be ‘supervising’ the tip on ‘Other work’?
Yorkysays:-:
Wiretwister:
Make sure you know what you are paid for. If your contract says £xxxxx for 48 wtd hours then you don’t really want to doing any POA and only those breaks that you must legally take. POA if you’re not paid is simply taking yourself off the clock, and is why you may be encouraged to book lots of it.Ummm, being tipped is ‘Other Work’, isn’t it? Depending on the next job and drive I’d have first pulled a bread, 20 or 50 then put it on ‘Other work’. You can’t really be on a POA, can you? Wouldn’t you be ‘supervising’ the tip on ‘Other work’?
If you were tipping yourself then yes, it would be other work, if you were supervising it would be other work. If however you were told to wait in cab/room and it will be 2 hours then that time CAN be booked as POA. Likewise if you were to breakdown and the people coming to assist tell you that it will be 1 hour before they arrive then again that can be booked as POA unless you are having to do something like directing traffic around the obstruction your vehicle is causing.
With POA the key thing is advice as to how long you have to wait or prior knowledge/experience.
Wiretwister:
Make sure you know what you are paid for. If your contract says £xxxxx for 48 wtd hours then you don’t really want to doing any POA and only those breaks that you must legally take. POA if you’re not paid is simply taking yourself off the clock, and is why you may be encouraged to book lots of it.
If you don’t get paid for POA, then refuse to book any at all.
If your firm says “They ignore POA” then they’re actually saying that “they pay for it as ‘other work’, so don’t bother booking it” since the only purpose booking POA would have with a firm like that is so you can book hours elsewhere, having not run out of them. The firm might take exception to that, so hence the blanket “we don’t recognise POA” means on the upside you get paid, but the downside that you’ll run out of hours quicker, so you can’t moonlight elsewhere… Not too unfair a system that. 
POA IS used by some firms to have their drivers at work 15 hour days, but only paying for 9-12 of them. Don’t let them, or you’ve only got yourselves to blame when you get pulled by VOSA, and it turns out you’ve been at work 75 hours in the past 5 days… There’s too many firms out there that consider you only to be “earning” and “on duty” when “wheels are turning”. Load of ■■■■■■■■ that. You’re at work when you turn up at your yard until the time you go home again. Trampers are a special circumstance with additional tax free allowances paid to “compensate” for only being paid for some of the hours you’re actually in the vehicle. Personally, I don’t think it does compensate, but there’s plenty of wagons in laybys that suggest I’m in the minority with that view. 