We are going to starve

Starvation awaits the great British people :open_mouth:

I delivered to the facility in Yorkshire somewhere once
Only the once mind, most unpleasant people to deal with, it is of no surprise to me that once drivers can pick and choose they choose not to go there.

Good.

drover:
Lorry driver shortage threatens Haribo sweets - BBC News

Starvation awaits the great British people :open_mouth:

Their remains only 2 ways to resolve this short term.
Allow training centres to test.
Let Flip Flopski come and go again, to send all wages back home for the upkeep of the paid for, countryside house and wife’s Mercedes.

English driver 1970:
Their remains only 2 ways to resolve this short term.

There is a 3rd option, which is to get the fat lazy dole scrounging scum Brits off their lazy arris and give them jobs

peirre:

English driver 1970:
Their remains only 2 ways to resolve this short term.

There is a 3rd option, which is to get the fat lazy dole scrounging scum Brits off their lazy arris and give them jobs

Do such people exist?
If course they do.
How many of them are there? How much do they cost compared with the money taken (often tax free) by a few rich individuals that would be better paid as wages to workers? Two forms of parasitism but one gets more publicity than t’other.
(Note those few rich are owners of media sites talking up one group, and down playing another)

peirre:

English driver 1970:
Their remains only 2 ways to resolve this short term.

There is a 3rd option, which is to get the fat lazy dole scrounging scum Brits off their lazy arris and give them jobs

The problem here is that anyone on JSA is highly unlikely to be able to afford to pay for the lessons and test.

As to the bigger picture, it’s very simple. The wages need to rise and conditions improve to the point where lots of people want to drive HGVs for a living. Any haulier who says that they cannot raise wages because their clients are not prepared to pay for increased transport costs needs instead to tell their clients that their goods aren’t going to be shifted.

Let’s give that article a nice sprinkling of Truth to take away the bitter whiff of bulls hit:-

“” German confectionery giant Haribo has said it is struggling to deliver its sweets to shops in the UK because of a shortage of lorry drivers.
It said that like many other producers and retailers, it was “experiencing challenges” that were hitting supplies.
The ^ Remainers in the ^ haulage industry has blamed the pandemic and Brexit for thousands of unfilled HGV driver ZHC Agency shifts.
The government ^ lied ^ it had taken action, by ^ stagnating ^ HGV driving test capacity and funding apprenticeships. Show me any “Apprentice” who’s qualified in the past two years please
 Where did that “Funding” go?
The problems affect all Haribo sweets, including Goldbears and Tangfastics. The company said it was “^ Lying ^ with partners across the food and drink industry” to address the problem.
Wider problem
The Road Haulage Association believes there is currently a shortfall of about 60,000 ^ uncovered shifts. ^
It estimates that some 30,000 HGV driving tests did not take place last year because of the Covid pandemic.
Why are lorry drivers getting big pay rises? Not seen any yet, just agency “temporary” mark-ups that could drop back down at any moment once you’ve started at a work location
 NO CONTRACT!!
Where have all the UK workers gone? Outside of Haulage, Onto Universal Credit, Retired, Emigrated, or a combination of all four of those. :stuck_out_tongue:
The haulage industry is one of a number of sectors having trouble finding suitable staff as the economy reopens, leading some experts to talk of the UK’s missing workers.
Kate Shoesmith, deputy chief executive of the Recruitment and Employment Confederation, told the BBC last month that before the pandemic, many lorry drivers in the UK had been nationals of EU countries, particularly Romania and Bulgaria. Poor old Polish - getting taken for granted as usual
 They were here first, don’t forget!
They stayed in the UK after the Brexit referendum, but started leaving when coronavirus struck, she said.
“They have either sourced work in their home countries or they feel it’s not right to return to the UK, either because of Brexit or the pandemic,” Ms Shoesmith added.
A government spokesperson said: "We’re working with industry and have already taken action on HGV driver shortages, including ramping up vocational test capacity, and funding apprenticeships. There’s a big difference between “funding apprenticeships” which often ends up as “hiring a new acting manager”, compared to “Taking on an actual apprentice who’s just finished their apprenticship, and passed their C+E, ready-for-work
”
"However, most of the solutions are likely to be driven by industry, with progress already being made in testing and hiring, and a big push towards improving pay, working conditions and diversity." “”

The easy way to solve this is Wages Inflation.

When firms stop being “Clients to Agencies”, and instead wake up to the fact they are going to need to offer £18-£20ph 40-48 hour per week full time contracts working directly for that former “client” firm - there will be no end to the “Shortage”. How come? - Who on HERE has spoken of “Chucking in a stable full time job - to go agency”
 I’ve been laughed at for saying it, so I imagine it still ain’t the most popular of things one can do in one’s driving career


I believe we may see drivers moving around a lot more chasing wages and also possibly drivers at companies with a shortfall overworked to the point where they have to take time off or actually end up never returning to the industry.

There has actually been a bit of a shortfall for a while of course. The crunch appears to come when food supplies are talked about, which pricks up a few ears. The fact that drivers have been doing stupid hours for decades to make a decent living will go woooosh over the heads of most
 quelle surprise.

Let’s face it, the majority of them are morbidly obese lazy sods who haven’t see excercise for years & would be breathless just opening the bedroom curtains let alone opening the curtains on a trailer. They eat poor diets and spend their evenings drinking in Wetherspoons.

Oh hang on I recon that I’ve just described the average truck driver

peirre:
Let’s face it, the majority of them are morbidly obese lazy sods who haven’t see excercise for years & would be breathless just opening the bedroom curtains let alone opening the curtains on a trailer. They eat poor diets and spend their evenings drinking in Wetherspoons, so they’d make perfect truck drivers

:laughing: :laughing:

Don’t worry Rob I didn’t have you in mind when I mentioned Wetherspoons :laughing:

It’s all down to greed. Simple as.

There is not drive shortage never has been and never will be.

It’s just the egg and chicken scenario over and over again.

Companies want less costs to transport the goods which in turn means less wages and worse terms and conditions.

Consumers want cheaper prices so therefore savings have to come from somewhere to make prices cheaper to the consumer. Usually the workforce wages and transport costs.

Shareholders and companies still need to make obscene amounts of profits and salaries and bonuses.

Funny when you read an article like “x supermarket/business has announced a pre/post tax fall in profits of £32m for the year, down from £323 million to a measly £291m pre tax profits etc”

Maybe one day we might see business for the workers rather than businesses for the shareholders. Oh and we might also live on the moon tomorrow as well. Its called the circle of life it goes round and round and where it stops nobody knows.

anybody who puts out nonsense -we are going to starve-guarantee high death rates- bad storms,beaches are packed ahead etc etc needs a sharp finger poking in their eye . At the very least needs sacking

Winseer:
Let’s give that article a nice sprinkling of Truth to take away the bitter whiff of bulls hit:-

The government ^ lied ^ it had taken action, by ^ stagnating ^ HGV driving test capacity and funding apprenticeships. Show me any “Apprentice” who’s qualified in the past two years please
 Where did that “Funding” go?

30 seconds on google brings up https://www.skillsdevelopmentscotland.co.uk/news-events/2021/january/tp-niven-a-driving-force-behind-modern-apprenticeships/ A small firm with 6 currently on the books and plenty others now earning a living in haulage.
Don’t let facts get in the way of your “truth” Wincy.

Well i’m not gonna starve

simcor:
There is not drive shortage never has been and never will be.

Recently, the TM of a very big name North-east food company was contacted directly by one of the senior guys at the RHA, giving him a heads up that there would (note “would”, not “might”) be disruptions in the supply chain in the near future because of a shortage of drivers. And more than a few TMs have openly said they’re having problems finding drivers, including one that was already paying far more than the average local company.

The managers of Wrings Transport Bristol are out driving their wagons as short of drivers and Willmots in Evercreech Somerset have some of their fleet parked up .
I went to my local Mcoll’s and their shelves were empty and no Red Bull available.

Tarmaceater:
The managers of Wrings Transport Bristol are out driving their wagons as short of drivers and Willmots in Evercreech Somerset have some of their fleet parked up .
I went to my local Mcoll’s and their shelves were empty and no Red Bull available.

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robroy:

peirre:
Let’s face it, the majority of them are morbidly obese lazy sods who haven’t see excercise for years & would be breathless just opening the bedroom curtains let alone opening the curtains on a trailer. They eat poor diets and spend their evenings drinking in Wetherspoons, so they’d make perfect truck drivers

:laughing: :laughing:

How very dare you
?

Ooh


You are not going to starve. What a lot of old twaddle.