richmond:
Limiters get checked without fail,exhaust brake never.
Do you do MOT Inspections then What’s Item 58 mean then
Just because your test station doesn’t check it doesn’t mean they aren’t suppossed too
Steve
I have to say I’ve never seen it checked and not sure if they could fail it on a missing stalk (assuming this made the stalk inoperative) if it was a model of truck that just still automatically applies it under heavy braking any way over-riding whatever’s selected on the stalk. I’ve never heard of a prohibition for it at a roadside pull.
If VOSA were bothered about it as a road safety issue they could always ask you to apply it when the drive axle’s on the rollers and see if it registers a bind, so they obviously aren’t really.
Regarding the OP though there’s a difference between broken stalk and inoperative I would expect there was a metal stub left that could operate it if required. How ever you cut it though all that needed doing was a defect sheet filling in not a refusal to drive.
I was only saying it is now part of the MOT - On a Eurocargo they operate the dash switch and the light comes on - On a Renault they pull the stalk down and the blue section of the rev counter lights up - I didn’t mean they drive round the test station making sure it works but it is part of the MOT
richmond:
Limiters get checked without fail,exhaust brake never.
Do you do MOT Inspections then What’s Item 58 mean then
Just because your test station doesn’t check it doesn’t mean they aren’t suppossed too
Steve
so, you are saying that the VOSA examiners at your local test station are not doing their job properly?
Let’s just say with the difficulty getting a test at our local station and having to use a number of other ones it’s opened our eyes to how the test is done depending where you go
Steve
We took a customer’s unit to an ATF and it failed on parking brake knew it wasn’t brilliant but was more than good enough to pass and not bad enough to justify an unnecessary chunk on parts. Brought it back and put it on our rollers again, and same result so booked it in to an actual VOSA test station for a re-test, without doing any work, and it passed.
So now that operator’s got a dent in their first time pass for OCRS and your left with the dilemma of whether it’s worth the aggro of pursuing it with VOSA as previously it’s always been grief and frankly they don’t want to know about inconsistencies in their operation.
I just been out to
My office there is item 58 but i think that is for like a manual ratchet hand brake or like a secondary trl brake on the old scanias,an exhaust brake is not part of the braking system,if it was then it would have to fo over the rollers and be measured.it is actually amazing what is not includes in test.i regulary have a drivers defects for items which are not testable such as heated mirrors and also get regular ones for cuts in tyres which are not deep and dont go through to cords and another favourite bald tyres with 5mm of tread on…yes i have sent them all on a course yes it was a waste of time
Dont get me started on roller brake testing…each set has there own readings which bear no relation to anyone elses, we have 6 month rolling brake tests done next door but if we have an mot, we have them done next door,if it needs anything we do it,then we have another brake test at the actual test station where it will be tested then when it has passed at that station we then park it up until its tested and present it for twst with the same unit that we have had the previous brake test with. Most of rhe time this works,however every brake test will produce differant readings
Own Account Driver:
We took a customer’s unit to an ATF and it failed on parking brake knew it wasn’t brilliant but was more than good enough to pass and not bad enough to justify an unnecessary chunk on parts. Brought it back and put it on our rollers again, and same result so booked it in to an actual VOSA test station for a re-test, without doing any work, and it passed.
So now that operator’s got a dent in their first time pass for OCRS and your left with the dilemma of whether it’s worth the aggro of pursuing it with VOSA as previously it’s always been grief and frankly they don’t want to know about inconsistencies in their operation.
we took a 17 tonne rigid for MoT to a VOSA test station, it ended up on the brake rollers three times on the test, the last one of which had the chief examiner of the centre doing the brake test, and we had three different test results
the initial one failed, then the chief examiner over ruled the result and passed it, due to the inconsistency of the results shown on the rolling road
IIRC, they also closed that particular lane until the rolling road was examined and tested fully
richmond:
I just been out to
My office there is item 58 but i think that is for like a manual ratchet hand brake or like a secondary trl brake on the old scanias,an exhaust brake is not part of the braking system,if it was then it would have to fo over the rollers and be measured.it is actually amazing what is not includes in test.i regulary have a drivers defects for items which are not testable such as heated mirrors and also get regular ones for cuts in tyres which are not deep and dont go through to cords and another favourite bald tyres with 5mm of tread on…yes i have sent them all on a course yes it was a waste of time
richmond:
I just been out to
My office there is item 58 but i think that is for like a manual ratchet hand brake or like a secondary trl brake on the old scanias,an exhaust brake is not part of the braking system,if it was then it would have to fo over the rollers and be measured.it is actually amazing what is not includes in test.i regulary have a drivers defects for items which are not testable such as heated mirrors and also get regular ones for cuts in tyres which are not deep and dont go through to cords and another favourite bald tyres with 5mm of tread on…yes i have sent them all on a course yes it was a waste of time
I would repair heated mirrors if a driver defected it but, would reserve the right to wait until the next six weekly and certainly wouldn’t be sending a fitter out to the roadside.
Edit: Re exhaust brakes, just grabbed mine, and I would read it as only applying to a mandatory braking system. It only directly refers to exhaust brakes in terms of watching out for them as a source of air leaks. We would always sort an exhaust brake on pre-mot, or six weeklys, so wouldn’t make any odds if it does mean they’re tested.
richmond:
I just been out to
My office there is item 58 but i think that is for like a manual ratchet hand brake or like a secondary trl brake on the old scanias,an exhaust brake is not part of the braking system,if it was then it would have to fo over the rollers and be measured.it is actually amazing what is not includes in test.i regulary have a drivers defects for items which are not testable such as heated mirrors and also get regular ones for cuts in tyres which are not deep and dont go through to cords and another favourite bald tyres with 5mm of tread on…yes i have sent them all on a course yes it was a waste of time
I would repair heated mirrors if a driver defected it but, would reserve the right to wait until the next six weekly and certainly wouldn’t be sending a fitter out to the roadside.
Edit: Re exhaust brakes, just grabbed mine, and I would read it as only applying to a mandatory braking system. It only directly refers to exhaust brakes in terms of watching out for them as a source of air leaks. We would always sort an exhaust brake on pre-mot, or six weeklys, so wouldn’t make any odds if it does mean they’re tested.
Yeah thats about the same as us. See that post regrding the cpc course but i havent had anything from vosa about it and nobodys said anything at test so has anybody got any literature from vosa about it.!
Own Account Driver:
We took a customer’s unit to an ATF and it failed on parking brake knew it wasn’t brilliant but was more than good enough to pass and not bad enough to justify an unnecessary chunk on parts. Brought it back and put it on our rollers again, and same result so booked it in to an actual VOSA test station for a re-test, without doing any work, and it passed.
So now that operator’s got a dent in their first time pass for OCRS and your left with the dilemma of whether it’s worth the aggro of pursuing it with VOSA as previously it’s always been grief and frankly they don’t want to know about inconsistencies in their operation.
we took a 17 tonne rigid for MoT to a VOSA test station, it ended up on the brake rollers three times on the test, the last one of which had the chief examiner of the centre doing the brake test, and we had three different test results
the initial one failed, then the chief examiner over ruled the result and passed it, due to the inconsistency of the results shown on the rolling road
IIRC, they also closed that particular lane until the rolling road was examined and tested fully
I’m always reluctant to kick up too much of a fuss in case you turn up to the yard in the morning and all of a sudden find they’re there to go through everything with a fine tooth comb as you’ve just come up for a ‘random’ inspection.
George@ASDA driver:
christ you guys would cry at the stuff we VOR a unit for.
I don’t see it unreasonable expecting a truck with everything working as it left the factory.
so, broken engine brake, you would refuse to drive it?
Daf CF, yes. They’re no better than those ones that were fitted to Foden 3000s. I think the op simply jumped the gun, being a newbie they took the eb control for the indicator stalk. Easy mistake to make, and he might’ve been over zealous in defecting said lorry. I’ve driven wagons with dusty interiors, ripped gators and a hole in a cupholder that you could see the engine.
richmond:
I have a truck with no heater motor,no night heater and no heated mirrors,its off to scotland next week for a two week contract up there, i guess he wouldnt want to be driving that truck then. Also i shall be up there in a transit van and im sleeping in the back of the van, no night heater in there either…
A truck with no functioning heater, in cold weather, isn’t leaving the yard.
A truck with no functioning night heater, isn’t getting used for nights out.
I couldn’t give a [zb] what people put up with 50, 30, or even 20 yrs ago. This is today, and as such, drivers have a right to expect some basic things like a functioning heater.
Any driver who boasts about driving these sort of vehicles, in an attempt to prove how “old school” they are, is actually revealing what an utter prat they are.
Just because it “used to be that way” doesn’t mean it is right or proper or even to be aspired to.
And all of the above is why i don’t work for an agency i have a full time job because i can be relied up on to get it done and sort any problems on my own along with all the other prats on here
ok from the gist of the last few pages i would just like to clarify a few things
the truck in question is a 9 year old renault premium 4x2 unit which until about a year ago had a regular driver who looked after it kept it clean didnt crash it every ten minutes that driver had a fall and is now on long term sick and unlikely to return to work
since then it has been used as the spare truck ie every tom ■■■■ and beryl has had it hence the state of it i have on occasion drove it myself when my regular truck has been off the road…
as for the stalk in question it has been broke for a while and as the exhaust brake is still in full working order and has been through several mots since then oh and is also if rumours are to be belived due to be sold sometime in the near future is unlikley to be replaced
to give you a little bit more insight into things we are not a logistics company or a company that looks like we have just ram raided the local halfords we are a haulage company basic bog standard the trucks are tools to earn money they get bashed about by agency drivers and some of our own a fair few do get looked after and are kept spotless inside and out
as and agency driver coming in its luck of the draw what you get depends on whats in the yard or what driver is off …
in the ops absence as far as i could see no defect for that vehicle was issued on friday
chester:
As a non smoker I have refused to drive trucks which are in a tip and stink of smoke and with the backing of my company, they can’t be seen to condone an illegal activity you see ask yourselves if the office bods would work in such squalor? Then why should we.
What would VOSA chap say to a stinking cab and over flowing ashtray as they is clear evidence of illegal activity, or is it local councils who enforce smoking in the workplace?
after driving trucks for30 yrs woudnt want to work with you after your comments to say your a driver your havin a laugh lol
richmond:
I just been out to
My office there is item 58 but i think that is for like a manual ratchet hand brake or like a secondary trl brake on the old scanias,an exhaust brake is not part of the braking system,if it was then it would have to fo over the rollers and be measured.it is actually amazing what is not includes in test.i regulary have a drivers defects for items which are not testable such as heated mirrors and also get regular ones for cuts in tyres which are not deep and dont go through to cords and another favourite bald tyres with 5mm of tread on…yes i have sent them all on a course yes it was a waste of time
I would repair heated mirrors if a driver defected it but, would reserve the right to wait until the next six weekly and certainly wouldn’t be sending a fitter out to the roadside.
Edit: Re exhaust brakes, just grabbed mine, and I would read it as only applying to a mandatory braking system. It only directly refers to exhaust brakes in terms of watching out for them as a source of air leaks. We would always sort an exhaust brake on pre-mot, or six weeklys, so wouldn’t make any odds if it does mean they’re tested.
Yeah thats about the same as us. See that post regrding the cpc course but i havent had anything from vosa about it and nobodys said anything at test so has anybody got any literature from vosa about it.!
TBH the company at that link is trying to flog inspection sheets very much doubt you’d end up at PI for having 1 & 58 missing .
DonutUK:
Bottom line is the company has already broken the law by allowing employees to smoke in the company vehicle
No the drivers break the law by smoking in them get your facts correct if you are going to winge about something.
its funny how this “law” only gets enforced by jumped up council officials and traffic wardens
i regard my truck as my home i spend more time in it than i do my house and i’m buggered if i’m gonna stop smoking in it just because some over excited premaddonna might on the off chance decide to throw a hissy fit about it on the off chance he ends up with the keys on my days off
What’s Item 58 mean then
inspection.