stobarttrucker:
when i used to get stuck in a bad jam i used to stick it on poa
POA is a period of time of which you know the duration. As you don’t know when traffic will start to move again, it’s not a situation where POA can be used.
Does Eddie not teach you these things? I thought you had driver coaches and everything.
when i passed my test in 1992 we did’nt get any tacho training,basically you learned from word of mouth,wrong i know but that was the way of the day unless you went out with ya dad and learnt that way.
(do’nt be fooled by the name,i only worked on agency for a few years there) 
stobarttrucker:
when i passed my test in 1992 we did’nt get any tacho training,basically you learned from word of mouth,wrong i know but that was the way of the day unless you went out with ya dad and learnt that way.(do’nt be fooled by the name,i only worked on agency for a few years there)
If you have a smart phone then download the Tachomaster app. Has all the hours info there in a fairly easy to understand graph. It does sometimes take a while to get used to all the hours and modes. It’s something that I found easier to understand by actually having to use them.
Don’t you sometimes wish you could just change your username 
not the best choice i know,will have to consider a new username 
had some good times there but the place has its fair share of back stabbers and they sure like their long shifts.
stobarttrucker:
when i used to get stuck in a bad jam i used to stick it on poa because i thought it would clock up a load of driving time,guess that makes me a nob but you live and learn
Next time you find yourself in that situation, stick it on “BREAK”
stobarttrucker:
had some good times there (Stobarts) . . .and they sure like their long shifts.
Me too.
But I always got the kinda shifts I preferred at Barlborough near Chesterfield. 
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redboxer850:
stobarttrucker:
when i used to get stuck in a bad jam i used to stick it on poa because i thought it would clock up a load of driving time,guess that makes me a nob but you live and learnNext time you find yourself in that situation, stick it on “BREAK”
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m1cks:
stobarttrucker:
when i used to get stuck in a bad jam i used to stick it on poa because i thought it would clock up a load of driving time,guess that makes me a nob but you live and learnNot an attack on you but this is what annoys me when people criticise the DCPC. There’s so many people who are unsure of what modes to use or the driving / WTD hours.
Brussels tries to do something about it and everyone complains.
But the EU haven’t tried to do anything about it nor has the UK government, there’s no stipulation in the DCPC rules that states that drivers hours and tachograph regulations should be covered in DCPC courses.
Frankly if they really wanted to do something about drivers lack of knowledge they would have set up a compulsory test not compulsory training.
Compulsory training is just a money making exercise that brings very little to the table considering the overall cost to both the road transport industry and individual drivers.
A simple pass or fail multi-choice test for which drivers could study in their own time, or works time where companies agreed, would ensure that the DCPC fulfilled its intended function and would be seen as a proper qualification rather than the expensive sham that we now have.
Sorry to the OP for going off topic.
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m1cks:
stobarttrucker:
when i used to get stuck in a bad jam i used to stick it on poa because i thought it would clock up a load of driving time,guess that makes me a nob but you live and learnNot an attack on you but this is what annoys me when people criticise the DCPC. There’s so many people who are unsure of what modes to use or the driving / WTD hours.
Brussels tries to do something about it and everyone complains.But the EU haven’t tried to do anything about it nor has the UK government, there’s no stipulation in the DCPC rules that states that drivers hours and tachograph regulations should be covered in DCPC courses.
Granted, although most drivers are covering hours as part of the DCPC.
Should the government have to do anything? We are professional drivers after all and it’s out responsibility to know the regulations and abide by them.
m1cks:
Should the government have to do anything? We are professional drivers after all and it’s out responsibility to know the regulations and abide by them.
I completely agree, but you brought the DCPC into it I never 
does the digi tacho give a warning of the 6 hour rule if say you’ve been parked up doing other work for a few hours after driving but only done say 2 hours work ?
stobarttrucker:
does the digi tacho give a warning of the 6 hour rule if say you’ve been parked up doing other work for a few hours after driving but only done say 2 hours work ?
No, a digital tachograph will not warn you about breaks required solely for the working time regulations.
Dieseldoforme:
m1cks:
Have you asked this manager why it can’t be classed as POA in his opinion?.
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I mentioned this earlier . . .He argued that a Driver cannot be available to work if there is
no vehicle for him to do some work in.In other words, he is UNAVAILBLE to work because there is no truck.
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This is exactly what happens when people make stuff up as they go along. 
The Regs say (very roughly cos I can’t be arsed to look it up) available AND the period must be known in advance.
There’s nothing about whether a truck is available, because the Regs are regulating the driver, NOT a truck.
Regs only become complicated once folk start adding their own stuff to them.
m1cks:
Most drivers are covering hours as part of the DCPC.Should the government have to do anything?
We are professional drivers after all and it’s out responsibility to
know the regulations and abide by them.
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The Transport Ministry will have to issue a strict, five-part syllabus,
to be followed after 2014 if it is to have any true value.
To be able to do five of the same modules at present is just barmy.
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dieseldave:
This is exactly what happens when people make stuff up as they go along.The Regs say . . .available AND the period must be known in advance.
There’s nothing about whether a truck is available, because the Regs are regulating the driver, NOT a truck.
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So what are you saying the mode should be ■■?
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Dieseldoforme:
m1cks:
Most drivers are covering hours as part of the DCPC.Should the government have to do anything?
We are professional drivers after all and it’s out responsibility to
know the regulations and abide by them..
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The Transport Ministry will have to issue a strict, five-part syllabus,
to be followed after 2014 if it is to have any true value.To be able to do five of the same modules at present is just barmy.
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To have to sit in a classroom and listen to an untrained and sometimes uninformed trainer is also “barmy”, lucrative for the trainers though.
For a driver to know all about the drivers hours rules that apply to them does not need to take 7hrs sat in a class room nor should it cost them, all the info needed is freely available. also i m fairly sure that employers have a duty to make sure that drivers are aware of tacho legislation vefore they let them out in a truck is it not something to do with the o’ licence?
I the case posted about in this thread, I would of recorded it as rest, unless i wouldn’t get paid, then it would be other work, which screws them up as you have started your duty time on tacho before your ■■■ is in the hot seat,
tachograph:
To have to sit in a classroom and listen to an untrained and
sometimes uninformed trainer is also “barmy”, lucrative for
the trainers though.
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I’ve done my DCPC Five and I must say that both of the two trainers that I
used were very experienced former truck drivers.
Interesting. Informative. Enjoyable videos.
. . . and seven hours meant seven hours - not one minute earlier.
One was from DHL and one was from Driver Hire.
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As other have stated the answer to what mode is simple …
Was the driving working? = no = cannot be other work
Does the driver know how long the wait will be? = no = cannot be POA
That only leaves break mode which can be used
At least 1 minute other work would be expected to be recorded at the start of the shift
I sometimes get this scenario, mainly if I’m stupid enough to get back to the yard the previous day. If for example I come in for 6am then spend 2 hours waiting for my truck, then once in the truck I’ll do a manual entry from 0600 to 0615 as other work, I’ll then enter 0615 to 0800 as break. Obviously I’ll then show a few mins other work to cover walking to the coffee machine, sorry, that should read vehicle check.