Wages

[yourhavingalarf]

dozy:
my depot wouldn’t allow split rests but the planner was always on about them

WOW!..

Your depot HAS to allow what ever YOU choose to take as your breaks that would include parking up (let’s say for arguments sake) 25 minutes from base if you’re feeling tired, want a widdle or get some grub.

When I did agency for them (all those years ago) I took all the breaks I wanted to when I wanted them and despite the planners whinning every time I went in to collect the keys, they couldn’t do anything about it.

You’re Eddies poodle… please try and grow a pair!

[robroy]

yourhavingalarf:
You’re Eddies poodle… please try and grow a pair!

At least I was tactful

Just say what you mean mate, don’t sit on the fence.

[andrejs]

yourhavingalarf:

dozy:
my depot wouldn’t allow split rests but the planner was always on about them

WOW!..

Your depot HAS to allow what ever YOU choose to take as your breaks that would include parking up (let’s say for arguments sake) 25 minutes from base if you’re feeling tired, want a widdle or get some grub.

When I did agency for them (all those years ago) I took all the breaks I wanted to when I wanted them and despite the planners whinning every time I went in to collect the keys, they couldn’t do anything about it.

You’re Eddies poodle… please try and grow a pair!

My planners at Stobart the best.They never talk what time i need start,never hate if taked break early.But from my side not one delivery was done later or refused.I plan what time i will start and finish,i will do 15 hours or just 13 or 12.In 4 month get overworked 1 shift(15h01 min) and one time 10h07 driving time.But this was not my but not Stobart fault…Last 4 month for Stobart tramper from agency was enjoy and one from best job in last 6 years…

[andrejs]

dozy:

Andrejs:
I now work for tramper at Stobart.I have plenty 9-12 hours shift.In last 4 month i had just 2 really closed to 15 hours shift.Can you teach me how to need work to get everyday 13 or 15 hours shift??What i do wrong??

you don’t need to do anything the planner will run you to the maximum in my experience , I’ve had them ringing up when I’d parked up at 14 hrs , parked at depot and gone home after 14 hrs as I was apparently wasting time , I could of gone a hour more up road , then got more done the following day , my depot wouldn’t allow split rests but the planner was always on about them .
I find it hard to believe you do 9 hr days tramping , my mate who starts at 7 am on days was going ape [zb] after sitting down for his x5 re- heated tea at 11 pm after getting back at 10 pm
I’d get a 13 mon / tues ( I’d turn it into a 15 ) on a regular basis but that was only because they’d want to give you 15 on a Friday which they could [zb] right off
,
what work do you do

Where you work at Stobart??Who is you planner??I can make foto of my timesheet.I can do this Friday.When i do delivery to Homebase store with Homebase trailers and collect di kit that most time 9-11 hours.

[andrejs]

dozy:

Andrejs:
I now work for tramper at Stobart.I have plenty 9-12 hours shift.In last 4 month i had just 2 really closed to 15 hours shift.Can you teach me how to need work to get everyday 13 or 15 hours shift??What i do wrong??

you don’t need to do anything the planner will run you to the maximum in my experience , I’ve had them ringing up when I’d parked up at 14 hrs , parked at depot and gone home after 14 hrs as I was apparently wasting time , I could of gone a hour more up road , then got more done the following day , my depot wouldn’t allow split rests but the planner was always on about them .
I find it hard to believe you do 9 hr days tramping , my mate who starts at 7 am on days was going ape [zb] after sitting down for his x5 re- heated tea at 11 pm after getting back at 10 pm
I’d get a 13 mon / tues ( I’d turn it into a 15 ) on a regular basis but that was only because they’d want to give you 15 on a Friday which they could [zb] right off
,
what work do you do

i record all my shift.In last 5 week.
1 week–14.45min,10.30,13,12.30,10,9h.
Week 2.-10,13,11.15,12,12.
Week3-14.30,15,13,14,11.30,12
Week4-11.30,11.15,10,13,11
Week5 -13,12.30,12,15,12.45,9.And in this last week i not done so much Homebase job.If i show you another April 5 job that there much more short job.But i like this hours.I wiill do 15 hours if requared but i not dream about this.I do mix work.Most time Britwic,Ag bar,Coke,PG,Homebase. And just couple time was do Knauf from Sittingbourne and not been at Tesco store delivery when tramping.

[rjan]

Andrejs:

yourhavingalarf:

dozy:
my depot wouldn’t allow split rests but the planner was always on about them

WOW!..

Your depot HAS to allow what ever YOU choose to take as your breaks that would include parking up (let’s say for arguments sake) 25 minutes from base if you’re feeling tired, want a widdle or get some grub.

When I did agency for them (all those years ago) I took all the breaks I wanted to when I wanted them and despite the planners whinning every time I went in to collect the keys, they couldn’t do anything about it.

You’re Eddies poodle… please try and grow a pair!

My planners at Stobart the best.They never talk what time i need start,never hate if taked break early.But from my side not one delivery was done later or refused.I plan what time i will start and finish,i will do 15 hours or just 13 or 12.In 4 month get overworked 1 shift(15h01 min) and one time 10h07 driving time.But this was not my but not Stobart fault…Last 4 month for Stobart tramper from agency was enjoy and one from best job in last 6 years…

Given the hours you do I’m not surprised they don’t complain! Why should they wish to!?

I agree though that Stobarts is not the worst firm you can work for. They’re better than most on some things (like maintenance, wagons, and safe systems of work), and on other things (like long hours and bad attitudes to drivers) they’re generally just as bad and reflect the industry as a whole.

[andrejs]

Rjan:

Andrejs:

yourhavingalarf:

dozy:
my depot wouldn’t allow split rests but the planner was always on about them

WOW!..

Your depot HAS to allow what ever YOU choose to take as your breaks that would include parking up (let’s say for arguments sake) 25 minutes from base if you’re feeling tired, want a widdle or get some grub.

When I did agency for them (all those years ago) I took all the breaks I wanted to when I wanted them and despite the planners whinning every time I went in to collect the keys, they couldn’t do anything about it.

You’re Eddies poodle… please try and grow a pair!

My planners at Stobart the best.They never talk what time i need start,never hate if taked break early.But from my side not one delivery was done later or refused.I plan what time i will start and finish,i will do 15 hours or just 13 or 12.In 4 month get overworked 1 shift(15h01 min) and one time 10h07 driving time.But this was not my but not Stobart fault…Last 4 month for Stobart tramper from agency was enjoy and one from best job in last 6 years…

Given the hours you do I’m not surprised they don’t complain! Why should they wish to!?

I agree though that Stobarts is not the worst firm you can work for. They’re better than most on some things (like maintenance, wagons, and safe systems of work), and on other things (like long hours and bad attitudes to drivers) they’re generally just as bad and reflect the industry as a whole.

I was worked from agency in some 15-20 place in different company.All very very similar.In Stobart just one small minus .If get refusec,return than need call to Customer services,after to planner ,again to Customer services.What minus for drivers you can see in Stobart??What plus in another companies??But delay at customer promises can same to Stobart ,Culina or small family company.

[rjan]

Andrejs:

Rjan:

Andrejs:
My planners at Stobart the best.They never talk what time i need start,never hate if taked break early.But from my side not one delivery was done later or refused.I plan what time i will start and finish,i will do 15 hours or just 13 or 12.In 4 month get overworked 1 shift(15h01 min) and one time 10h07 driving time.But this was not my but not Stobart fault…Last 4 month for Stobart tramper from agency was enjoy and one from best job in last 6 years…

Given the hours you do I’m not surprised they don’t complain! Why should they wish to!?

I agree though that Stobarts is not the worst firm you can work for. They’re better than most on some things (like maintenance, wagons, and safe systems of work), and on other things (like long hours and bad attitudes to drivers) they’re generally just as bad and reflect the industry as a whole.

I was worked from agency in some 15-20 place in different company.All very very similar.In Stobart just one small minus .If get refusec,return than need call to Customer services,after to planner ,again to Customer services.What minus for drivers you can see in Stobart??What plus in another companies??But delay at customer promises can same to Stobart ,Culina or small family company.

I know a lot of guys have different opinions, and my impressions could be years out of date, but I wouldn’t say Stobarts is uniquely or especially bad in all respects - the worst aspects of the driving game are whole-industry issues, which it wouldn’t be fair to tar Stobarts with specifically. On pay, on hours, on bureaucracy, all terrible, they’re about par for a large firm doing general haulage.

But one of the main things seems to be that it’s one of the very worst firms for tolerating poor attitudes amongst the staff towards drivers.

[andrejs]

Rjan:

Andrejs:

Rjan:

Andrejs:
My planners at Stobart the best.They never talk what time i need start,never hate if taked break early.But from my side not one delivery was done later or refused.I plan what time i will start and finish,i will do 15 hours or just 13 or 12.In 4 month get overworked 1 shift(15h01 min) and one time 10h07 driving time.But this was not my but not Stobart fault…Last 4 month for Stobart tramper from agency was enjoy and one from best job in last 6 years…

Given the hours you do I’m not surprised they don’t complain! Why should they wish to!?

I agree though that Stobarts is not the worst firm you can work for. They’re better than most on some things (like maintenance, wagons, and safe systems of work), and on other things (like long hours and bad attitudes to drivers) they’re generally just as bad and reflect the industry as a whole.

I was worked from agency in some 15-20 place in different company.All very very similar.In Stobart just one small minus .If get refusec,return than need call to Customer services,after to planner ,again to Customer services.What minus for drivers you can see in Stobart??What plus in another companies??But delay at customer promises can same to Stobart ,Culina or small family company.

I know a lot of guys have different opinions, and my impressions could be years out of date, but I wouldn’t say Stobarts is uniquely or especially bad in all respects - the worst aspects of the driving game are whole-industry issues, which it wouldn’t be fair to tar Stobarts with specifically. On pay, on hours, on bureaucracy, all terrible, they’re about par for a large firm doing general haulage.

But one of the main things seems to be that it’s one of the very worst firms for tolerating poor attitudes amongst the staff towards drivers.

Attitudes changed everywhere.Now all Flt drivers,warehouse staff work with scanners.Shop assistant as well with Cctv,customer request all the time.People want buy trousers today and get tomorrow by parcel.If not that complain .20 years ago was not possible check what drivers was do 1 week ago or why parcel was delayed.Now can check everything who was do not correct or no so much. Plus due global competition everyone want save,cut corner.If Stobart start cross finger that Tesco give contract to someone.

[andrejs]

If we not happy now that as soon we will be much more not happy logisticsmanager.com/german … als-start/

[dozy]

kcrussell25:

dozy:

Andrejs:
I now work for tramper at Stobart.I have plenty 9-12 hours shift.In last 4 month i had just 2 really closed to 15 hours shift.Can you teach me how to need work to get everyday 13 or 15 hours shift??What i do wrong??

you don’t need to do anything the planner will run you to the maximum in my experience , I’ve had them ringing up when I’d parked up at 14 hrs , parked at depot and gone home after 14 hrs as I was apparently wasting time , I could of gone a hour more up road , then got more done the following day , my depot wouldn’t allow split rests but the planner was always on about them .
I find it hard to believe you do 9 hr days tramping , my mate who starts at 7 am on days was going ape [zb] after sitting down for his x5 re- heated tea at 11 pm after getting back at 10 pm
I’d get a 13 mon / tues ( I’d turn it into a 15 ) on a regular basis but that was only because they’d want to give you 15 on a Friday which they could [zb] right off
,
what work do you do

I am doing agency tramping and have had several 12 hour days. I have also had several long ones but they have been as much my choice as theirs. I find it ok.

I think they have you down as the yes man who will do it, probably because you always have

if I was a yes man he wouldn’t of ring up when the truck got parked up and I went home for the night would he he , the reason I got planned for max hours is the farther you go , the more loads you move in a day the more money they earn , which is why I cant see why they would plan 9 hrs , the trucks earning jack ■■■■ when it’s sat idle for 15 hrs is it , it’s not bloody rocket science is it

[dozy]

yourhavingalarf:

dozy:
my depot wouldn’t allow split rests but the planner was always on about them

WOW!..

Your depot HAS to allow what ever YOU choose to take as your breaks that would include parking up (let’s say for arguments sake) 25 minutes from base if you’re feeling tired, want a widdle or get some grub.

When I did agency for them (all those years ago) I took all the breaks I wanted to when I wanted them and despite the planners whinning every time I went in to collect the keys, they couldn’t do anything about it.

You’re Eddies poodle… please try and grow a pair!

Wtf are you on about , I didn’t want to do bloody split breaks , I did enough bloody hours as it was , I’m not going to stand up and say I want to work split breaks when I don’t I’d rather agree with my depot boss , the wage bill is through the roof I’m not paying any more out , that’ll do for me

[rjan]

Andrejs:

Rjan:
But one of the main things seems to be that it’s one of the very worst firms for tolerating poor attitudes amongst the staff towards drivers.

Attitudes changed everywhere.Now all Flt drivers,warehouse staff work with scanners.Shop assistant as well with Cctv,customer request all the time.People want buy trousers today and get tomorrow by parcel.If not that complain .20 years ago was not possible check what drivers was do 1 week ago or why parcel was delayed.Now can check everything who was do not correct or no so much. Plus due global competition everyone want save,cut corner.If Stobart start cross finger that Tesco give contract to someone.

But “bad attitude” in respect of time constraints is expecting or pushing the driver to do something that he cannot do (such as magicking away congestion on the road, or forcing the warehouse to work faster than they can work), or is unreasonable to expect as a routine matter. We have had a successful system of next-day post for hundreds of years, and so have most other developed countries - it’s not like moving goods quickly and on-time is a new problem.

But that’s not mainly what I have in mind. I mean the dripping contempt that some staff display towards drivers, even in the absence of any problem, even if it’s just at the level of ignoring you when you present yourself, and when experience shows that it’s not apparent whether they have noticed your presence or failed to hear your announcement (if they’re at some distance from the porthole or desk).

Even a person who is concentrating hard on something, is rarely in a situation where they cannot say “I’ll be with you in a minute”, or hold a finger out in acknowledgement, without taking their eyes off their task.

The contempt is built into the environment also. Tall desks (presumably to stop drivers launching over them to throttle staff), small portholes, lack of seating when long waits are routine, and so on.

I’ve been to firms (this wasn’t Stobarts) where the porthole was outside, and there wasn’t even the consideration of providing an awning and a small counter (even though drivers were routinely handling paperwork or having to write things down, or wait several minutes, sometimes in stormy or freezing weather).

They’re small irritations taken in isolation, and you’d give a guy a break if it was just occasional or a bad day, but they happen frequently and widely, and often represent the majority of the interactions that drivers have at work (since it is otherwise a job where lots of time is spent alone on the road).

[winseer]

(a) Look for jobs that pay over this “average” HGV pay level
(b) When you find one - STOP.

It is hardly rocket science.

It is also important to work out the real hourly rate for the job, as taking a 40 hour week at one yard marked up at say, £15ph might mean you actually only get £525 gross per week, with no overtime paid - but still expected of you.

(40 hours, minus 5x1 hour meal reliefs per da = only 35 hours paid @ the £15ph.)

That would make Supermarket work the “best” in terms of both hourly rate, and number of paid overtime hours available - but who is singing and dancing about THAT?

[toonsy]

It’s all about what works for an individual.

I get paid clock to clock with no breaks deducted. I could earn an extra 50p an hour at one of the blue chips but then is be monitored/complied and all that rubbish while at the minute I get left alone and because I get paid through I’m no worse off than I would be if I moved to a blue chip but without all the ■■■■■■■■ that goes with it.

[andrejs]

dozy:

kcrussell25:

dozy:

Andrejs:
I now work for tramper at Stobart.I have plenty 9-12 hours shift.In last 4 month i had just 2 really closed to 15 hours shift.Can you teach me how to need work to get everyday 13 or 15 hours shift??What i do wrong??

you don’t need to do anything the planner will run you to the maximum in my experience , I’ve had them ringing up when I’d parked up at 14 hrs , parked at depot and gone home after 14 hrs as I was apparently wasting time , I could of gone a hour more up road , then got more done the following day , my depot wouldn’t allow split rests but the planner was always on about them .
I find it hard to believe you do 9 hr days tramping , my mate who starts at 7 am on days was going ape [zb] after sitting down for his x5 re- heated tea at 11 pm after getting back at 10 pm
I’d get a 13 mon / tues ( I’d turn it into a 15 ) on a regular basis but that was only because they’d want to give you 15 on a Friday which they could [zb] right off
,
what work do you do

I am doing agency tramping and have had several 12 hour days. I have also had several long ones but they have been as much my choice as theirs. I find it ok.

I think they have you down as the yes man who will do it, probably because you always have

if I was a yes man he wouldn’t of ring up when the truck got parked up and I went home for the night would he he , the reason I got planned for max hours is the farther you go , the more loads you move in a day the more money they earn , which is why I cant see why they would plan 9 hrs , the trucks earning jack [zb] when it’s sat idle for 15 hrs is it , it’s not bloody rocket science is it

i think you not right.Yes truck earn money when move load.But some time truck can earn much more money when driver work just 9 hours or 10 and get big loose money when driver work 15 hours.Because we can drive just up to 9/10hours.If you seating and waiting for load 4 hours that truck not earn nothing but company pay money to you.In some day i work 10 hours but drive 300-400miles and move full one or 2-3load per day.In some day
I drive with 10 pallets 200 milles but waiting for customer,traffic and but my shift 14hours.Yesterday i was worked 14h30 min .This job can be done with 10-11 hours but was waiting for this load 3 hour.Nobody for Stobart will pay any extra penny .

[andrejs]

Rjan:

Andrejs:

Rjan:
But one of the main things seems to be that it’s one of the very worst firms for tolerating poor attitudes amongst the staff towards drivers.

Attitudes changed everywhere.Now all Flt drivers,warehouse staff work with scanners.Shop assistant as well with Cctv,customer request all the time.People want buy trousers today and get tomorrow by parcel.If not that complain .20 years ago was not possible check what drivers was do 1 week ago or why parcel was delayed.Now can check everything who was do not correct or no so much. Plus due global competition everyone want save,cut corner.If Stobart start cross finger that Tesco give contract to someone.

But “bad attitude” in respect of time constraints is expecting or pushing the driver to do something that he cannot do (such as magicking away congestion on the road, or forcing the warehouse to work faster than they can work), or is unreasonable to expect as a routine matter. We have had a successful system of next-day post for hundreds of years, and so have most other developed countries - it’s not like moving goods quickly and on-time is a new problem.

But that’s not mainly what I have in mind. I mean the dripping contempt that some staff display towards drivers, even in the absence of any problem, even if it’s just at the level of ignoring you when you present yourself, and when experience shows that it’s not apparent whether they have noticed your presence or failed to hear your announcement (if they’re at some distance from the porthole or desk).

Even a person who is concentrating hard on something, is rarely in a situation where they cannot say “I’ll be with you in a minute”, or hold a finger out in acknowledgement, without taking their eyes off their task.

The contempt is built into the environment also. Tall desks (presumably to stop drivers launching over them to throttle staff), small portholes, lack of seating when long waits are routine, and so on.

I’ve been to firms (this wasn’t Stobarts) where the porthole was outside, and there wasn’t even the consideration of providing an awning and a small counter (even though drivers were routinely handling paperwork or having to write things down, or wait several minutes, sometimes in stormy or freezing weather).

They’re small irritations taken in isolation, and you’d give a guy a break if it was just occasional or a bad day, but they happen frequently and widely, and often represent the majority of the interactions that drivers have at work (since it is otherwise a job where lots of time is spent alone on the road).

if you or any from us buy truck,open company,employ drivers ,staff that we as well will think how to improve service,how to make production faster,how to reduce damages and more.If we will not do this that we will bankrote.But Stobart not pushing drivers.All truck limites for 56 m/h
.Never hearth who they sacked any drivers if hepick up trailers to slow.But if driver come to work and want sleep ,want stop every single services for coffee for 15 minute that this is no good.Why need pay money if drivers want extra 5 break.If he need to stop and taked extra rest that this must be unpaid.If you taked plumber to repair you house and will pay him per hours .If he will smoke every hours that you will not happy.

[kcrussell25]

dozy:

kcrussell25:

dozy:

Andrejs:
I now work for tramper at Stobart.I have plenty 9-12 hours shift.In last 4 month i had just 2 really closed to 15 hours shift.Can you teach me how to need work to get everyday 13 or 15 hours shift??What i do wrong??

you don’t need to do anything the planner will run you to the maximum in my experience , I’ve had them ringing up when I’d parked up at 14 hrs , parked at depot and gone home after 14 hrs as I was apparently wasting time , I could of gone a hour more up road , then got more done the following day , my depot wouldn’t allow split rests but the planner was always on about them .
I find it hard to believe you do 9 hr days tramping , my mate who starts at 7 am on days was going ape [zb] after sitting down for his x5 re- heated tea at 11 pm after getting back at 10 pm
I’d get a 13 mon / tues ( I’d turn it into a 15 ) on a regular basis but that was only because they’d want to give you 15 on a Friday which they could [zb] right off
,
what work do you do

I am doing agency tramping and have had several 12 hour days. I have also had several long ones but they have been as much my choice as theirs. I find it ok.

I think they have you down as the yes man who will do it, probably because you always have

if I was a yes man he wouldn’t of ring up when the truck got parked up and I went home for the night would he he , the reason I got planned for max hours is the farther you go , the more loads you move in a day the more money they earn , which is why I cant see why they would plan 9 hrs , the trucks earning jack [zb] when it’s sat idle for 15 hrs is it , it’s not bloody rocket science is it

Maybe because you have always done it there is an expectation that you will and shock when you didn’t

[kcrussell25]

Andrejs:
think you not right.Yes truck earn money when move load.But some time truck can earn much more money when driver work just 9 hours or 10 and get big loose money when driver work 15 hours.Because we can drive just up to 9/10hours.If you seating and waiting for load 4 hours that truck not earn nothing but company pay money to you.In some day i work 10 hours but drive 300-400miles and move full one or 2-3load per day.In some day
I drive with 10 pallets 200 milles but waiting for customer,traffic and but my shift 14hours.Yesterday i was worked 14h30 min .This job can be done with 10-11 hours but was waiting for this load 3 hour.Nobody for Stobart will pay any extra penny .

This is very true. I spent 5 hours waiting Monday night and 3 last night. I am paid so don’t mind but Monday they had to do a trailer change and tonight will be a 15 that should have been a 13 that may reduce work they could do else where later in the week

[dozy]

it quite amazing really , we’ve anjesis doing 9 hrs a day , robroy mates doing not a lot then we’ve got a day shift driver starting at 2.30 am and still collecting at 22.00 and delivering at 2 am
maybe I should say it’s a great job , I only do between 15-23 1/2 hrs a day
I must of really picked the short straw when it commes to planners