W.H.WILLIAMS (spennymoor)

Carl Williams:
I wonder if anyone reading this remembers Temp Newton who had a decorators shop in Whitworth Terrace Spennymoor.

When I was very young there was originally only Kells who had a wallpaper shop in one of the premises under the town hall at Spennymoor. They employed a team of staff and had a good reputation for traditional decorating.

Then Temp Newton opened up and he had such modern ideas, using colours that were so 1960’s and unusual for staid Spennymoor at the time. Although he did not advertise it Temp was also an excellent sign writer. With his decorating he brought things like marbleising and rag rolling to Spennymoor.

Both my parents and grandparents used him to decorate. Newton tended to come along with the suggestions and ideas and he had substantial staff to do the physical painting and wallpapering, leaving him time to concentrate on more specialised work.

Somehow it came up about sign writing and when my father discovered he sign wrote Dents Atkinsons we decided to use his services. For those who remember or have seen on this thread, Harry Dent had plain white writing of what was then a modern style on the red cabs of his Atkinsons, with quite a lot of telephone numbers etc on the front next to the radiator. Today it would be so easy for a computer to print off vinyl lettering but in those days it had to be precision hand written, and Newton’s work was very impressive.

He did about five vans for us and as always I enjoyed watching. After setting off his staff with their days work he would start in a very relaxed style, and although he was quite well built he was agile in getting down to write the legal letters on the nearside bottom of body just behind the cab. I was most amused when he went at the end of the day went to our engine oil cabinet and used some oil to oil his brushes, keeping them ready for use the next time he needed them.

I don’t think he came from the north east and he certainly had southern advanced ideas for Spennymoor, and it seemed as quickly as he came he left, but the next thing I heard was when I read in the Northern echo that he was working in Saudi Arabia in the Palaces using all his decorating skills with gold leaf creating artificial columns and bal lustrating, and was popular with the Saudi Royal Family who were paying him highly for his talents

HI Carl I remember Temperley Newton painting Dents motors when i started there in 1960. I carnt remember when he left, and his aprentice took over i think his name was Steve. A couple of examples of Temperley’s work

Hi Carl, do you think this could have been one of his? Seen at a show at Seaburn in the 90s.

night shift bri:
0Hi Carl, do you think this could have been one of his? Seen at a show at Seaburn in the 90s.

Hi this atki was built up by George Gittins from two scrap motors bought in. Dents never had any six wheel double bogies, only twin steers.The writing on it was done by Roger Maughan who helped rebuild it and it dosnt look very professional. regards Ken

kennyjohnson:

Carl Williams:
I wonder if anyone reading this remembers Temp Newton who had a decorators shop in Whitworth Terrace Spennymoor.

When I was very young there was originally only Kells who had a wallpaper shop in one of the premises under the town hall at Spennymoor. They employed a team of staff and had a good reputation for traditional decorating.

Then Temp Newton opened up and he had such modern ideas, using colours that were so 1960’s and unusual for staid Spennymoor at the time. Although he did not advertise it Temp was also an excellent sign writer. With his decorating he brought things like marbleising and rag rolling to Spennymoor.

Both my parents and grandparents used him to decorate. Newton tended to come along with the suggestions and ideas and he had substantial staff to do the physical painting and wallpapering, leaving him time to concentrate on more specialised work.

Somehow it came up about sign writing and when my father discovered he sign wrote Dents Atkinsons we decided to use his services. For those who remember or have seen on this thread, Harry Dent had plain white writing of what was then a modern style on the red cabs of his Atkinsons, with quite a lot of telephone numbers etc on the front next to the radiator. Today it would be so easy for a computer to print off vinyl lettering but in those days it had to be precision hand written, and Newton’s work was very impressive.

He did about five vans for us and as always I enjoyed watching. After setting off his staff with their days work he would start in a very relaxed style, and although he was quite well built he was agile in getting down to write the legal letters on the nearside bottom of body just behind the cab. I was most amused when he went at the end of the day went to our engine oil cabinet and used some oil to oil his brushes, keeping them ready for use the next time he needed them.

I don’t think he came from the north east and he certainly had southern advanced ideas for Spennymoor, and it seemed as quickly as he came he left, but the next thing I heard was when I read in the Northern echo that he was working in Saudi Arabia in the Palaces using all his decorating skills with gold leaf creating artificial columns and bal lustrating, and was popular with the Saudi Royal Family who were paying him highly for his talents

HI Carl I remember Temperley Newton painting Dents motors when i started there in 1960. I carnt remember when he left, and his aprentice took over i think his name was Steve. A couple of examples of Temperley’s work

Hi Kenny

It’s so nice to receive your memories and photos. I was always an admirer of how Dents vehicles were painted as it’s difficult to create a recognisable image on platform vehicles but Dents were always so easily noticed and remembered…

With regard to John Henry we never got into direct competition always keeping to our own traffic. However. On one occasion I remember he called at Marmaduke Street to arrange for us to do a removal for one of his drivers and wife, and called afterwards paying cash, not wanting a receipt. The driver’s name was Spence, I seem to remember and rumour was rife for why he was interested in the removal.

John Henry Dent was one of the last real characters in road transport and always sailed close to the wind. In his lifetime he filled pages of Commercial Motor with details of his exploits. To name one when questioned by Hanlon, the traffic commissioner about the cleanliness of drivers’ records, clearly implying that they had been made up afterwards, he stated ‘I always taught my drivers that cleanliness is next to godliness’. But apart from his duelling with the law I never heard that he had bribed or cut rates to take away work from other contractors, like so many that followed him. Similarly I never heard a driver speak ill of him.

Although our dealings with Harry Dent was uncompetitive we did employ several drivers who had in he past worked for him, and the tales were stories that books could be written about. Guinness labels in windows instead of tax disks and two vehicles running with same registration numbers to name just two. One of the more interesting stories was a wagon pulling into Tudhoe Colliery with a boat that was for delivery to London. It was said another wagon was pulled alongside and its load re loaded with items packed into the inside of the cabin and onto the deck so two loads could go for the price of one.

One of the funniest stories was that before he started on his own he briefly worked for his cousins Prouds who were based at Merrington Lane. A driver came to us telling us that he went to Prouds for an interview for a job and was interviewed by John Henry Dent, who I believe was calling himself the company Secretary. Later in the day, as he was out of work he presented himself to the dole to sign on and there, waiting behind him was John Henry himself, also claiming unemployment benefit.

Whatever is the truth of these stories I am sure, although he never showed it life must have given him many worries, and no doubt this would contribute to his untimely death. We banked as Dents did at Barclays on Whitworth Terrace Spennymoor and I will always remember seeing him nearly every Friday, when we both went to collect cash for wages, immaculate in navy suits and with his briefcase.

I wonder Kenny if you could clear my memory. I seem to remember seeing in my school days a Bedford O model boxvan painted in Dent’s livery. and It was quite old at the time, so must have been bought second hand, and also a new Atkinson with a boxvan trailer probably about 33ft painted cream both trailer and tractor with lettering in red. Can you remember these or have I dreamt it.

I was always so disappointed in the later days to see Ford Transcontinental and Seddon Atkinsons in that horrid blue with transfers struck on. I suppose that signalled a sign of the times, but times I was pleased not to be participating in.

Best wishes

Carl

I don’t know how but grandfather made friends with Mr Perry, a representative of Stratstones the London Daimler agents in the nineteen thirties.

Stratstones supplied and maintained the Royal cars at Buckingham palace and whenever a car was needed for the royals Stratstones brought it up, so it was available to meet the royal party as they departed from the train.

Dad says, Mr Perry used to call for tea at Marmaduke Street with my grandparents as he passed by on the A1, and dad who was quite young at the time says he had some magnificent cars. On one such occasion arrangements were made that my grandmother would take dad down to London so that he could be showed round the garages at Buckingham Palace.

Unfortunately Mr Perry from Stratstones suffered a fatal car accident on his way back to London so it never came off. Somehow my grandfather always gained influence and potential power by talking to and meeting people.

Carl Williams:
I don’t know how but grandfather made friends with Mr Perry, a representative of Stratstones the London Daimler agents in the nineteen thirties.

Stratstones supplied and maintained the Royal cars at Buckingham palace and whenever a car was needed for the royals Stratstones brought it up, so it was available to meet the royal party as they departed from the train.

Dad says, Mr Perry used to call for tea at Marmaduke Street with my grandparents as he passed by on the A1, and dad who was quite young at the time says he had some magnificent cars. On one such occasion arrangements were made that my grandmother would take dad down to London so that he could be showed round the garages at Buckingham Palace.

Unfortunately Mr Perry from Stratstones suffered a fatal car accident on his way back to London so it never came off. Somehow my grandfather always gained influence and potential power by talking to and meeting people.

Hi Carl I have a Hooper bodied Daimler supplied by Stratstones of Berkley Sq.in 1951 to G Mohammed from Jesmond. The second owner was the Tyne Manufacturing co. the log book was signd by G. Mohammed (a fiddle?). I bought it from the next owner Sid Blenkingsop (Scarlett Band) It was originaly gold but it had been changed to black when Sidi got it ,i got it in 1973 regards Ken

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kennyjohnson:

Carl Williams:
I don’t know how but grandfather made friends with Mr Perry, a representative of Stratstones the London Daimler agents in the nineteen thirties.

Stratstones supplied and maintained the Royal cars at Buckingham palace and whenever a car was needed for the royals Stratstones brought it up, so it was available to meet the royal party as they departed from the train.

Dad says, Mr Perry used to call for tea at Marmaduke Street with my grandparents as he passed by on the A1, and dad who was quite young at the time says he had some magnificent cars. On one such occasion arrangements were made that my grandmother would take dad down to London so that he could be showed round the garages at Buckingham Palace.

Unfortunately Mr Perry from Stratstones suffered a fatal car accident on his way back to London so it never came off. Somehow my grandfather always gained influence and potential power by talking to and meeting people.

Hi Carl I have a Hooper bodied Daimler supplied by Stratstones of Berkley Sq.in 1951 to G Mohammed from Jesmond. The second owner was the Tyne Manufacturing co. the log book was signd by G. Mohammed (a fiddle?). I bought it from the next owner Sid Blenkingsop (Scarlett Band) It was originaly gold but it had been changed to black when Sidi got it ,i got it in 1973 regards Ken

Hi Ken,

What a loverly car from an era when Daimler was Daiimler under Lord Docker,You must be very proud to own it.Lord and lady Docker were determined to make Daimler the finest cars in the world, and you have a fine example.

Presumably it will have a preselective gear box, and I hope you enjoy driving it from time to time.

You didn’t manag answering my questions as whether dents had an O model Bedford van or cream atkinson, or have I dreampt it.

Kindest regards

Carl

Hi Carl, I can’t recall an ‘O’ model Bedford but I do know they had an Atkinson MPT 684 painted in Bird’s Custard colours. Bird’s later became General Foods from Banbury about 67/68. The driver of the said vehicle was Des Mitchell until a misdemeanour meant he was imprisoned for a while. I can remember John Henry rolling up with a brand new Mercedes one Saturday morning only for Des to shout across to him that he (Des) would have had one of them if he hadn’t been caught■■? While Des was in prison the afore mentioned Arthur Spence used to do the Bird’s run to and from Banbury. The Atkinson was replaced by a Mercedes in 66, also painted in the cream colours of General Foods. Maybe Kenny Johnson can shed some light on the Bedford. Regards Ron.

night shift bri:
0Hi Carl, do you think this could have been one of his? Seen at a show at Seaburn in the 90s.

hinight Shift bri

Thank you for sharing your photograph.

its always nice to see memories of the past

best wishes

Carl

Mysterron:
Hi Carl, I can’t recall an ‘O’ model Bedford but I do know they had an Atkinson MPT 684 painted in Bird’s Custard colours. Bird’s later became General Foods from Banbury about 67/68. The driver of the said vehicle was Des Mitchell until a misdemeanour meant he was imprisoned for a while. I can remember John Henry rolling up with a brand new Mercedes one Saturday morning only for Des to shout across to him that he (Des) would have had one of them if he hadn’t been caught■■? While Des was in prison the afore mentioned Arthur Spence used to do the Bird’s run to and from Banbury. The Atkinson was replaced by a Mercedes in 66, also painted in the cream colours of General Foods. Maybe Kenny Johnson can shed some light on the Bedford. Regards Ron.

Hi Ron,

Thank you for your reply.

I presume the driver and his wife I was referring to in my post was Ron Spence?

Bestv wishes

Carl

In 1983-4 we were contacted by Homeworthy Furniture Sunderland to discuss doing their National mail order furniture deliveries. I had contacted Homeworthy before and we had done one or two loads of furniture to retail outlets in the past, but they had a largish fleet of their own vehicles.

Andrew Scott was the director of Homeworthy who contacted us and was looking at ways of making the Sunderland plant more efficient. Until that time they had sent their vehicles away with a driver and mate and they had then attempted to deliver the load to houses throughout the UK. Each vehicle was taking on average a week to deliver the load, and Scott, following discussions with all the major mail order companies was impressed by what he had been told and liked our depot system throughout the UK.

It was the most difficult set of negotiations I have ever completed as Scott wanted to know the far end of everything. One problem that came up in the very early days of discussion was that Homeworthy had made an agreement with its workforce that every piece of furniture had to leave their furniture on their vehicles driven by their staff drivers. This was to be resolved by us building at green lane an unloading/loading platform where we could reverse their vehicle into a dock, with our vehicle reversed up to this and the load then could be transhipped under cover.

All Homeworthy furniture was vacuum packed/shrunk wrapped so damage would be kept to a minimum. When Scott took me on a tour of Homeworthy their vacuum packing plant was the largest in Europe, meaning that large wardrobes and chests were vacuum packed in polethine and relatively easy to handle.

Once we had got a price at which we were prepared to carry each item they produced Scott arranged with me to visit our three depots in London, Wellingborough, and Sheffield, and our sub contractor depots at Midsummer Norton and Edinburgh. Finally after he was satisfied and assuring himself that we had the financial clout to undertake the work wanted me to do a presentation to his fellow directors at Green Lane Spennymoor where we presented Buffet Lunch and I explained our companies history and how I felt not only could we improve their service, from that provided with their own vehicles, at a much more efficient price.

Once a contract was signed Scott explained the downside. First was that he was employed directly by Tiny Roland the world famous financier, who owned Lonrho and he had negotiated a management buyout by his fellows directors, who would soon own Homeworthy.

Scott explained that Tiny Rowland had given Scott the task of sorting homeworthy out, and he had come tom the conclusion that there was no long term prospects and it never could be profitable and the best way out was to persuade the directors that they could make a go of it, and persuade them to buy the company, thus letting Lonrho get out with a clean record.

Once Andrew Scott had achieved his object he went back to see Tiny Rowland and see what was to be his next task and was stunned to hear Rowland say that he was, at about 62 too old and was not offering him a further task.

Andrew Scott joined us as a Director, as we felt we lacked experience and he could help us develop I will continue this theme and tell things that happened and how although I admired Scott’s abilities I found him almost impossible to work with.

I wonder if any ex homeworthy drivers who remembered Scott or any of our drivers would share their thoughts and experiences, as I understand he was disliked by Homeworthy staff, and in our case perhaps he didn’t have direct involvement with our drivers, but perhaps they felt the atmosphere between him and me…

Note from Wikipedia on Tiny Rowland

Roland “Tiny” Rowland (27 November 1917 — 25 July 1998) was a British businessman and chairman of the Lonrho conglomerate from 1962 to 1994. He gained fame from a number of high-profile takeover bids, in particular his bid to take control of Harrods

Rowland was recruited to the London and Rhodesian Mining and Land Company, later Lonrho, as chief executive in 1962. Under his leadership, the firm expanded out of its origins in mining and became a conglomerate, dealing in newspapers, hotels, distribution, and textiles, and many other lines of business. During 1973, Rowland’s position was the subject of a High Court case in which eight Lonrho directors sought Rowland’s dismissal, due to both his temperament and to claims he had concealed financial information from the board.[4] Rowland failed in his legal attempt to block the move[5] but was subsequently backed by shareholders and retained his position.[6] British Prime Minister, Edward Heath, referring to the case, criticised the company in the House of Commons and described events there as “the unpleasant and unacceptable face of capitalism”.[7]
In 1983, Rowland took over The Observer newspaper and became its chairman. He also campaigned to gain control of Harrods department store in Knightsbridge, but was defeated by the Egyptian-born tycoon Mohamed Al-Fayed.[8]
A December 1993 Financial Times article revealed that Hemar Enterprises, makers of documentary film The Maltese Double Cross — Lockerbie was owned by Metropole Hotels, controlled by Rowland. The film stated that Libya had no responsibility for the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103. Shortly after the indictment of Libya in the Pan Am Flight 103 incident, Rowland had sold a percentage of his interests to the Libyan Arab Foreign Investment Company (Lafico), controlled by the Government of Libya. For this reason, Susan and Daniel Cohen, parents of Pan Am Flight 103 victim Theodora Cohen, claimed that Libya had backed the film.[9

Andrew Scott and myself travelled all over the UK during the time we worked together and had to develop a\working relationship but I never would describe him as a friend, knowing that he would gladly stab me in the back if it suited what he would consider business interests. However he was loyal to our company, if you understand but not necessary me or my father. I think the description of Lonrho and tiny Rowland gives a clue to his business ethics.

The most interesting things I enjoyed as to how he described all the different companies he had ‘put right’ for Lonrho.It was amazing from importing Audi cars into countries to spectacle makers.

Interesting post Carl, keep them coming… :wink: :smiley:

Hi Carl
Although it was before my time what I was told about Prouds was that John Henry worked in Prouds office, after working at a Spennymoor factory during the war. He married Olga, Prouds sister, and the firm became Proud and Dent. Then by hook or by crook it became Dents. Prouds carried on as Proud Brothers.

When I started there, there was two Bedford O’s normal control motors. Although there was only one on the road the other one was just used for parts. They were nicknamed ‘The Big Bomb’ and ‘The Little Bomb’. I think they had 4’D Ford engines in them.

At the end of 1963 he bought three Atki units 684,5 and 6 MPT and a York Freightmaster van. 684 was painted cream with red letters, the other two were painted the normal red with white letters, the trailer was not painted just lettered all by Temperley. 684 and 685 went straight onto the road. I was asked to call at Durham tax office to tax 686 (not with a Guinness label) for the 1st Feb 1964. I was told it had to have a new reg number AUP 170B. A long wheel base unit KUP —C and a longer York trailer was bought with it and later up lifted to 32T.GW. This unit was also painted cream. A Merc unit was bought in 1966 and a Craine trailer the unit was also painted cream.

The story about loading a boat was true. When he got his first new 8 wheel Atki he loaded 15T of Armstrong Cork on the floor (it was just a low load) then he began loading carpets on top of it, it had well over 20T on and had still not gone down on the springs. John Henery said “I am restricted to length and width” pointing upwards he said “all up there is mine.”

Regards Ken

woodstock:
Interesting post Carl, keep them coming… :wink: :smiley:

Hi Woodstock,

Thank you so much for your encouragement

Best wishes

Carl

kennyjohnson:
Hi Carl
Although it was before my time what I was told about Prouds was that John Henry worked in Prouds office, after working at a Spennymoor factory during the war. He married Olga, Prouds sister, and the firm became Proud and Dent. Then by hook or by crook it became Dents. Prouds carried on as Proud Brothers.

When I started there, there was two Bedford O’s normal control motors. Although there was only one on the road the other one was just used for parts. They were nicknamed ‘The Big Bomb’ and ‘The Little Bomb’. I think they had 4’D Ford engines in them.

At the end of 1963 he bought three Atki units 684,5 and 6 MPT and a York Freightmaster van. 684 was painted cream with red letters, the other two were painted the normal red with white letters, the trailer was not painted just lettered all by Temperley. 684 and 685 went straight onto the road. I was asked to call at Durham tax office to tax 686 (not with a Guinness label) for the 1st Feb 1964. I was told it had to have a new reg number AUP 170B. A long wheel base unit KUP —C and a longer York trailer was bought with it and later up lifted to 32T.GW. This unit was also painted cream. A Merc unit was bought in 1966 and a Craine trailer the unit was also painted cream.

The story about loading a boat was true. When he got his first new 8 wheel Atki he loaded 15T of Armstrong Cork on the floor (it was just a low load) then he began loading carpets on top of it, it had well over 20T on and had still not gone down on the springs. John Henery said “I am restricted to length and width” pointing upwards he said “all up there is mine.”

Regards Ken

Hi Ken,

I seem to remember hearing he worked at Kenmire’s before starting in haulage.

I thought I had seen an O model Bedford in my youth, and thank you for confirming. Did Dent’s have the same problems that we had with the 4D engine. In 1956 we had a ford Thames 4D reg TPT918 and it was a disaster.

We have all overloaded from time to time but we were limited to the height in vans, but I remember one of our drop frame van trailers coming in loaded with a very large removal with long rolls of carpets tied under the body to the trailer chassis.

All in all I’m sure that harry Dent was a much better employer than the type that exist today and he was very fortunate in having someone as loyal and conscientious as you

Best wishes

Carl

In 1972 we had our first modern drop frame trailer built. The trailer chassis was made by Brockhouse and supplies by ■■■■ Barret —Atkin who was hen with Turvey’s of Sunderland and the body was purpose built for us by Marsden’s of Warrington.

The result was a 33 ft single axle van trailer of 3,000 cu ft. This was very handy for very large removals and also could take a load from one of our standard pantechnicons and give us considerable space to fill with lucrative part loads.

When the trailer arrived coupled to our mastiff 26 ton tractor unit, which we had put on the road a few months earlier to use with a forty foot Brockhouse platform, I couldn’t resist having a drive round the yard at Green Lane, clipping the front of a parked Bedford with the drivers side rear of the trailer and the rear of another parked Bedford simultaneously with the nearside front of the trailer as I turned. I was skitted for years after this mishap.

We soon added our second new tractor unit RUP798K supplied by Elliott’s motors Bishop Auckland. I cannot remember the reps name but he had a Newcastle Accent and lived on the right hand side heading down towards the bridge at South Church. A nice chap who was very persistent at visiting us without pestering. Part of his charm was that you couldn’t help but feel sorry for him, as he, at the time always seemed tired and quite old.

Rup798K tended to regularly pull the drop frame Marsden and I am not sure whether it was Harry Blatchford or Allan brown that went on an extra large removal with it and packed the van expertly, but were left with long rolls of carpet and the trailer was full, so they tied them underneath the body on the trailer frame. Wrapping them to keep them clean.

The two drivers mentioned in the last post, Harry Blatchford and Allan Brown, both lived in Chilton and joined us as Class 3 HGV drivers.

Harry joined us in the late 50’s and early 60’s and would qualify as Class 3 from his driving with us and would not need to take a test. We then will have sent him to Dennis Gooder at Darlington Driver Training to take a conversion course to class one and pass his class 1 HGV test. Harry left usv in the late seventies and joined John Dee where he progressed to be a foreman shunter.

Allan joined us in the mid 60’s and again qualified by experience for class 3 HGV, again passing to Darlington Driver Training to pass class 1. Allan’s son Darren also worked for us driving a non HGV small van in his late teens and early twenties.

To be honest I don’t know how many trailers we had. The first three were a forty foot platform single axle, drop frame Marsden already mentioned and 40ft single axle York van trailer.

It was not until drivers complained that with the single axle on the back it made them difficult to manoeuvre in tight access locations that we switched to Tandem axles. We had thought that as weight was not a problem the single axle would be cheaper and cheaper operating costs, but we found that the 40 ft York in particular scrubbed off the rear tyres.

Our next three were 40ft tandem axle York van trailers and two of these were sold later to Ken Devereux Billingham, when for a period we found we were not using our trailers to capacity.

We bought a few second hands including seven we inherited from Thorn domestic Appliances. These were all 28ft single axle van trailers.

However the majority we had built for us by a chap at Fossett near Richmond North Yorkshire. He built us new 40 ft tandem trailer chassis, using second hand refurbished running gear. At the time 33 ft trailers were being disposed of everywhere and we could pick them up very reasonably. That is how we got the running gear. The axles were stripped and completely refurbished and Fletcher built us new trailers, and we never had one problem with them.

Originally we had bodies built by both Marsden and Van Plan and then we commenced with our own company Coachskill. I have attached a photo of a TM pulling a Fletcher trailer with bodywork by Coachskill.

We also had three 40 foot curtainsiders built for us on Fletcher trailers but I cannot remember the company that did this body building for us.

As I said I don’t think anyone knew how many trailers we actually had, all I know we built a lot and only parted with the two we sold to Devereux.

It must have been about 1966 that Fyffes opened the banana factory at Shildon.

They contacted us to ask if we had a van available to take a load down to a market in Manchester to be there at 5.00Am the following morning. They said the load would weigh about 7 ton.

We sent BSO172C, a 1965 Bedford SB with pantechnicon bodywork by Marsden of Warrington. Now I know when the SB was introduced in 1952 it was known as a 7 ton passenger chassis, but when the van returned to Marmaduke street after loading the load seemed to be nearer 10 ton. BSO172C was a large van and Fyffe’s had filled every bit with bananas.

The springs were settled on its stops and dad told the driver to ‘Take it easy’ as not only was he worried that the springs would hold up but also that the brakes would work.

The old bus made it down to Manchester for the 5.00am deadline and delivered the goods and on its return seemed to have suffered no lasting damage.

When plating and testing was introduced BSO 172C was plated at 9.5 ton gross and it must have been overloaded by nearly 50 per cent. On the other hand dad had been used to overloading Bedfords as they had been traditionally advertised as being able to overload by 50% and right throughout the war they had used the old 2 tonners well and truly overloaded.

Although we were offered more work by Fyffes we declined as we had no suitable vehicles at the time. BSO 172C was nicknamed ‘The Banana Van’ and this stuck for many years.

Hello Carl.I have not been on here long but some great tales.Would your dad be lay awake dreading the phone going of or did he always sleep well.Good stuff.Regards Mike.