W.H.WILLIAMS (spennymoor)

The second vehicle central on left is BSO 172C a 1965 Bedford SB with Marsden body 330 Cu in Bedford diesel engine. I remember it well. We bought it in early 1967 from a company called Fyffes of Forres. They mostly did a weekly run South and back from Forres in Scotland carrying the furniture and effects (Part loads) for soldiers, sailers and RAF personel. It was under two years old when we bought it and just virtually run in. Why Fyffes sold it so young I will never know, but I read some years later they were bought out by White & Co.

The reason I remember BSO so well is tha we wanted it to look exactly like our other SB’s which we had owned from new Fyffes had if I remember a two tone red livery with silver alluminiun strips breaking up the colours, These strips had to come off first of all and then we decided to remove the orriginal paintwork with Nitromors paint remover. (Something we never again tried to do) It was horsework and very difficult to get the paint out of the moulding. It was then re primered and painted as in the photograph.Even then although all the paint had been removed and the alluminium pannels looked like new and then it was primered given two coats of Dulux Coach Finnish undercoat and then 50/50 mix of undercoat and enamel, finally a coat of enamel some times if the sun hit at certain angles you could still see the outline of Fyffes lettering. Fortunatly the glass fibre and paint remover reacted so we just had to rub it down with wet and dry and it was as equally good effect.

We ran BSO for many years and it was replaced along with the remaining SB’s in the mid seventies.

The bottom photo VUP812L is a Seddon Pennine passenger chassis with Perkins 6354 Diesel Engine and Marsden Fibreglass Pantechnicon body. This was the first of 3 Seddon Marsden and 1 Seddon Vanplan w bought new. We also bought 2 second hand with other pantechnicon bodywork.

The Seddon were quite good vehicles with their front wheel set back making them relatively easy to negotiate in tight spaces. however for every two Seddons we could buy three Bedfords and as far as performance they were no better than the Bedford.The driver is Eddy Ramsey, who drove the vehicle from new. Eddy came orriginally from Fred Johnson and sons Durham and stayed with us until his untimely death from a heart attack in our warehouse, just weeks before he reached 65 years old. Some people in Spennymoor may still remember Kenmires Furniture Factory in Spennymoor, and Eddy with this Seddon moved Carl Kenmire one of the Kenmires to Switzerland from his home in North Close Spennymoor. When he came back he never complained and said everything had gone well. A few years later I met Frank Kenmire who’s brother Eddy had moved, and he told me what a mavolous man Eddy was. The new house was in a quiet area up the Alps and Eddy couldn’t get to it as the van was sliding on the snow and ice. In his usual quiet way Eddy had gone and hired snow chains and put them on and reversed to the house. In his time Eddie was never a problem and just got on quietly with his work

Thw lineup on the right of the picture

1st van on left Bedford Kf with Carlight fibreglas pantechnicon body i will tell later about this vehicle

2nd Bedford Marsden KF with Marsden fibreglass pantechnicon body was the van built by Marsden for us especially to be displayed on their stand at Commercial Motor show in Earls Court :Lpndon and was in fact our last Marsden built. It was collected by our driver Cess Ramsey who drove it continually.Cess dod a twice weekly run from Thorn EMI Spennymoor to Thorn EMI Havant. The van went round each department at each location carrying all intenal post and any other products information etc. Thorn EMI Domestic Appliances had used Havant as their head UK office following the merger between Thorn and EMI. Havant was the Kenwood factory where they made small domestic appliances ie Kenwood Chef.Cess was very popular at Havant because he went in person to each Manager to ensure nothing was left. Previous to this vanb he had used a Seddon Vanplan on this work and one Christmas when had everythin parked up we had a frantic call from Spennymoor plant saying there was an envelope with a cheque in it on the fully loaded van that had just returned from Havant. It turned out the cheque was a cheque for Smart & Brown (Engineering) Ltd (Thorn’s Spennymoot manufacturing company) for several million pound that was to cover the plants December Wages ( At one tim Smart & Brown had over 7,000 workers in Spennymoor) It was like looking for a needle in a haystack but it was found.

3rd Van was orriginally identical but our customers Godfrey Syrett who made offuce furniture required two vehicles painting in their Black with silver lettering. The customer is unfortunatly always right so we had the sad task of repainting two vans.

The remainder at this stage i am unable to identify

Myself, Ken Armstrong, and Frank Morgan standing behind the old 2 tonner

Ken Armstrong worked for us about 25 years as a mechanic

Frank Morgan orriginally as a driver
Left to work in a wood yard because his wife was sick of him on long distance work
Within a week he lost his arm with a faulty sawbench
came back to work the Wilcomatic Van wash and did a multitude of other jobs making himself totally unreplacebale and indespencible

I have managed lo locate a vehicle list of reg numbers and vehicle descriptions of quite a few of our vehicles
Bought between 1961 and 1985 I have no complete details 1920-1960
It is not complete but is as accurate as I can achieve

ENK 306 Bedford WS 1938 30cwt
EUG702 Bedford WHG 1937 2 Tonner
4460PT Ford Thames 1961 15cwt van
4479PT Bedford SB 1961 Marsden Pantechnicon
1372UP Bedford SB 1962 Marsden Pantechnicon
6188HN Bedford KD 1962 Marsden Luton Van
367MPT Bedford SB 1963 Marsden Pantechnicon
DPT100B Morris FG 2 Tonner1964 Marsden Pantechnicon
FUP145C Bedford SB 1965 Marsden Pantechnicon
JUP945C Bedford SB 1965 Marsden Pantechnicon First full Fibreglass Body
BSO172C Bedford SB 1965 Marsden Pantechnicon
NPT719D Morris J2 1966 Luton Van
HTY631d Bedford tk 1966 TIPPER
MPT692D Bedford SB 1966 Marsden Pantechnicon
RPT440D Bedford SB 1966 Marsden Pantechnicon
SUP293E Ford Transit 1967 Van
SUP410E Bedford SB 1967 Marsden Pantechnicon
UPT149E Bedford SB 1967 Marsden Pantechnicon
VPT828F Bedford SB 1968 Marsden Pantechnicon
AUP241F Ford Transit 1968 Marsden Luton Van
BUP 312F Bedford KF 1968 Marsden Pantechnicon
KVM155F Bedford KF 1968 Marsden Pantechnicon
SAN831F Ford D800 1968 Tractor unit
YUP492F Bedford KG 1968 Luton Van Northern assemblies Consett Body
BUP692G Bedford KG 1969 Luton Van Northern assemblies Consett Body
DUP574G Ford Transit 1969 Marsden Luton Van
DUP574G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Pantechnicon
EPT614G BMC Laird 1969 Platform
EUP488G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Pantechnicon First van built to TIR Spec for continental work
FPT721G Ford D800 1969 Boxvan
FPt780G Bedford KE 1969 Marsden Luton Van Rebodied from 6188HN
KNM706G Ford D800 1969 Luton Van
LNA426G Bedford KF 1969 Boalloy Pantechnicon
HNB429G Bedford KF 1969 Boalloy Pantechnicon
NED374G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Pantechnicon
NED566G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Pantechnicon
NXG526G Bddford Tk 1969 Tractor unit
RTY5G Dodge !3ton GVW 1969 Marsden Luton Van
RTY6G Dodge 13ton GVW1969 1969 Marsden Luton Van
UBB794G AEC Mercury 1969 Box Van
VDY828G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Pantechnicon
YWT802G Bedford KF 1969 Luton Van
AYH806H Ford D800 1970 Tractor unit
CLL697H Ford D800 1970 Tractor unit
ETN802H Leyland Laird 1970 Boxvan
GPT233H Bedford KF 1970 Luton Van
GPT963H Bedford KF 1970 Marsden Pantechnicon
GPT786H Bedford KF 1970 Marsden Pantechnicon
HUP329H Bedford KF 1970 Luton Van Chassis extended to accommodate Coachskill 27 ft Demountable Boxvan
JPT336H Bedford KF 1970 Marsden Luton Van
JUP271H Bedford KF 1970 Marsden Luton Van
KPT65H Bedford CF 3.5ton GVW 1970 Marsden Luton Van
LEX905H Leyland Laird 1970 Boxvan
LEX915H Leyland Laird 1970 Boxvan
LEX919H Leyland Laird 1970 Boxvan
MPT393H Leyland FG 3.5ton GVW 1970 Marsden Luton Van
RDC975H AEC Mandator 1970 Tractor unit
TPT926H Bedford TK 1970 Boxvan
WFD975H BMC Laird 1970 Boxvan
GPT620H Landrover 1970
GPT658H BMC JU 1970 Luton Van
ABB953J AEC Mercury 1971 Boxvan
CBB271J Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
DNB866J Bedford KG 1971 Boxvan
ENP864J Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
ENP765j Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
enp766j Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
ENP767J Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
EUP834J Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
LPT865J Bedford KF 1971 Marsden Luton Van
LPT866J Bedford Kf 1971 Marsden Luton Van
LPT878J Bedford KF 1971 Boxvan
LUP315J Seddon Pennine 1971 Pantechnicon
MPT784J Leyland Masttiff 1971 Tractor unit
MUP577J Bedford KF 1971 Marsden Pantechnicon
MUP578J Bedford Kf 1971 Marsden Pantechnicon
NUP865J Bedford Kf 1971 Marsden Pantechnicon
VED488J Bedford KF 1971 Marsden Pantechnicon
EVK818K Leyland Laird 1972 Boxvan
KYY798K Bedford KF 1972 Coachskill Boxvan
RPT498K Bedford KF 1972 Coachskill Boxvan
RUP799K Ford D800 1972 Tractor unit
RPT xxxK Ford Transit 1972 Van
TPT927K Bedford KG 1972 Boxvan
XED393K Bedford KG 1972 Boxvan
CUP305L Bedford KG 1973 Marsden Boxvan
CPT404L Leyland FG350 1973 Marsden Luton Van
CDC325L GUY BigJ 1973 Tractor unit
SUY276L Leyland Super Comet 1973 Tractor unit
SUY278L Leyland Super Comet 1973 Tractor unit
VUP184L Bedford TK 1973 Boxvan
VUP708L Bedford TK 1973 Boxvan
VUP812L Seddon Pennine 1973 Marsden Pantechnicon
YPT630L Dodge 24Ton 1973 Tractor unit
YPT631L Dodge 24Ton 1973 Tractor unit
YUP194L Seddon Pennine 1973 Marsden Pantechnicon
No reg Bedford KF Breakdown truck
NRR878M Atkinson Borderer 1974 Tractor unit
OFK64M Bedford KF 1974 Vanplan Pantechnicon
OFK93M Bedford KF 1974 Vanplan Pantechnicon
OGR744M Ford D800 1974 Boxvan
NUP647M AEC Mercury 1974 Tractor unit
PCN451M Leyland Super Comet 1974 Tractor unit
PKW475M Bedford KF 1975 Marsden Pantechnicon
PPT909M Bedford KF 1975 Coachskill Boxvan
RPT601M Seddon Pennine 1975 Vanplan Pantechnicon
RPT602M Ford Passenger Chassis 1975 Pennine Pantechnicon
RPT603M Leyland Boxer 1975 Coachskill Boxvan
SPT256M AEC Mercury 1975 Tractor unit
SUP417M Bedford KF 1975 Coachskill Boxvan
SWT332M GUY BigJ4T 1975 Tractor unit
WTF305M Bedford KF 1975 Vanplan Pantechnicon
CBR475N Seddon 4 wheel 1976 Marsden Luton Van
GND71N Bedford KF 1976 Vanplan Pantechnicon
GVN474N Leyland Super Comet 1976 Tractor unit
HBR484N Commer Comando 1976 Marsden Luton Van
UPT268N Bedford KG 1977 Boxvan
UPT454N Seddon 4 wheel 1977 Boxvan
HOH13N Dodge 1977 Luton Van
UPT839N Bedford KG 1977 Boxvan
KDB997P Bedford KF 1978 Vanplan Pantechnicon
KDB998P Bedford KF 1978 Vanplan Pantechnicon
KDB999P Bedford KF 1978 Vanplan Pantechnicon
KDB938P Bedford KF 1978 Vanplan Pantechnicon
LWP39P Bedford KF 1978 Luton Van
LWP97P Bedford KF 1978 Luton Van
MND463P Bedford KF 1978 Carlight Pantechnicon
MND467P Bedford KF 1978 Carlight Pantechnicon
NDJ426P Bedford TM 26Ton 1978 Tractor unit
NDJ429P Bedford TM 26Ton 1978 Tractor unit
NDJ430P Bedford TM26Ton 1978 Tractor unit
RPT338P Leyland Lynx 1979 Tractor unit
VGR686P Leyland Boxer 1979 Coachskill Boxvan
XUP998P Bedford KF 1979 Coachskill Boxvan
OJL288R Bedford TM 26Ton 1979 Tractor unit
OJL269R Bedford TM 26Ton 1979 Tractor unit
OVR561R Bedford KF 1979 Vanplan Pantechnicon
OVR563R Bedford KF 1979 Vanplan Pantechnicon
SGS333R Bedford KF 1980 Marsden Pantechnicon
SNB175R Bedford KF 1980 Luton Van
SVN516R Bedford KF 1980 Luton Van
TNE47R Bedford KF 1980 Luton Van
TPT531R Leyland Lynx 1980 Tractor unit
WGR640R Bedford TM 26Ton 1980 Tractor unit
AUP996S Bedford TM26Ton 1981 Tractor unit
AUP997S Seddon 16 Ton 1981 Boxvan
BPT732S Bedford TM 26Ton 1981 Tractor unit
EBR710S Bedford TM26Ton 1981 Tractor unit
GPT733S Bedford TM26Ton 1981 Tractor unit
OJR482S ERF B Gardner 1981 Tractor unit
RFT338S Leyland Super Comet 1981 Tractor unit
YNC401S Bedford KF 1981 Coachskill Boxvan
ADB590T ERF B Gardner 1981 Tractor unit
ADB867T ERF B Gardner 1981 Tractor unit
CAC602T Bedford KD 1981 Luton Van
CND402T Ford D1314 1982 Luton Van
KBR503T ERF B Gardner 1983 Tractor unit
NBR289T ERF B Gardner 1983 Tractor unit
NGR168T Bedford KF 1983 Tractor unit
EJW877V Ford 24 ton 1983 Tractor unit
EJW878V Ford 24 ton 1983 Tractor unit
JLP148V Ford D710 1983 Boxvan
SGR951V Bedford TK1470 1983 Coachskill Boxvan
TPT19V Bedford TK1470 1983 Marsden Pantechnicon
VWP652V Ford D710 1983 Boxvan
XBR650V Bedford TK140 1983 Marsden Pantechnicon
BPT602W ERF B Gardner 1983 Tractor unit
VBR690W Bedford 1983 Boxvan
DBR246W Bedford TK1470 1983 Marsden Pantechnicon
HNL227W Bedford TK1470 1984 Marsden Pantechnicon Special Chasis & Body Displayed in our livery Commercial Motor Show
NED965W Bedford TK1479 1984 Boxvan
OPT463W Bedford TK1470 1984 Boxvan
NED35W Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider
NED36W Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider
NED96W Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider
PCN451W Leyland 1984 Tractor unit
VOO581W DAF 1600 1984 Tractor unit
LRG829X ERF B Gardner 1984 Tractor unit
RDC439X Magirus DeutZ 90M79 1984 Luton Van
RDC440X Magirus DeutZ 90M79 1984 Luton Van
A501XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
A502XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
A503XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
A504XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
A505XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
A506XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
B290MDC Mercedes 1213 1985 Boxvan with tailift Last new vehicle we bought

can remember but not reg nos

3 guy Otters c regwith Gardner engines ex Cooprative Cabinate works With 1600 cu.Ft Luons
These were replaced with the bodies put onto three Bedford KD Ex Watsons carriers
BMC EA Van about Jreg
Bedford J Model 30 cwt Van about c reg
There also was Bedford M Dropsided 4 wheel drive which we used to tow out vehicles in snow
Also a New leyland Boxer 13 tonGVW with Coachskill Glassonite 24ft body with Taillift about T Reg
New Leyland 350 FG With Coachskill Alluminium box Van Body about V reg
Service vans from Memory
Mini van
Morris Minor van
BMc FG 350 platform used by tyre fitters
3 ■■■■■■ vans
Bedford CA Van used by Coachskill
Bedford diesel pickup truck

About 35 assorted trailers Majority Coachskill Glassonit bodies with Tailifts

In either 1975 or 1976 we were involved in one of the first unfair Dismissal cases which we subsequently lost, and had to pay a large sum in compensation. We took it very hard mainly because we had good industrial relations and a good relationship with the Transport and General Workers union. I have never spoken to an ex employee who hasn’t said the best job they ever had was with us and all have described my father as a gentleman.

Around about the same time we were in discussion with Thorn Electrical Industries, the parent company, about taking over all their transport at the Thon Heating Factory at Gateshead. This is a story I will tell at a subsequent date. However I was out for lunch with a senior Thorn Executive when our discussion came round to Trade Unions and industrial disputes and I should have taken more notice of what he said.

In the sixties, the days of all the strikes and industrial unrest Thorn had bought out Fisher Bendix, makers of the famous Bendix washing machine that had made its name back in the nineteen thirties. The Fisher Bendix factory was at Liverpool and Thorn got together a team of senior managers, whom the person I was speaking to was one, and they spent a month at Liverpool, deciding what was wrong with the company as they were intending to continuing manufacturing automatic washers at the site.

They discovered that all the trouble was with one man who was an agitator. There was no way they could get rid of him and they decided if they carried on employing this one man the problems would spread into the whole of Thorn manufacturing facilities in the UK.

They took the startling position of closing down the plant and making everyone redundant including this one man. Manufacturing was then sourced abroad and all Bendix washing machines and dishwashers were imported from Europe

The old West Auckland Clothing Company had been bought out by a company based in Milton Keynes, called Stenberg and they had a truncking service where a driver left both factories at the same time and changed over trailers at the first motorway service area on M! (From North) My memory doesn’t allow me to remember the name now but it may have been Trowl…

They approached us to ask us if we would be interested in the Bishop Auckland to Milton Keynes and return section. They were buying a new AEC Mercury and wanted us to do likewise, but one of the conditions was we employ the driver who had for several years been in their employ.

We arranged a price and had talks with the driver where we agreed he was paid 8 hours plus 1 hour at time and half making nine hours per day, a fixed wage. They both left their destinations at 7.00Am so it was not unreasonable for us the expect the tractor back with us at about 2.00PM each day, which would be very handy as it gave us an extra tractor unit we could use, with a different driver each afternoon

The AEC arrived and we painted it Black and had it lettered as Steinberg specified. We also had to have a burglar alarm system fitted as it was carrying very high value loads. .Steinberg were covering the Goods In Transit insurance and the conditions were that one the vehicle left Bishop Auckland the vehicle didn’t stop till it arrived at the first service station after travelling on the M18 into the M!. Changeover was to take place there and any driver’s breaks were to be taken in this service area then non stop back to West Auckland. I’m sure that many drivers who are retired would welcome such a cushy job.

Things went well for about a year, and then he started returning later and later and was claiming overtime as he couldn’t do it within his nine working hours. I don’t recall exactly what happened but we dismissed him. I cannot remember the name of the chap from the Transport & General Workers Union who came but we spoke and met many times over the years. He was sympathetic to us but asked us to give the driver a second chance with us preparing strict conditions regarding stopping etc which would save any future misunderstanding. I drew up the conditions, without a solicitor, but I sent a copy to the transport & general workers union for their agreement and subsequently the sacked employee came back and we all signed them.

For the first two days things were Ok but as the week progressed things started to get back to where they were before.

I don’t know how communication between drivers worked in those days as I think it was before CB radio, but as soon as I went onto the A! At Thinford, with my car all our drivers seemed to be informed that I was out and about, so it was decided I would hire a self drive car from Adams & Gibbon at Durham to make myself anonymous. I left on the morning with the hire car and waited in a lay-by about at Catterick until I saw the AEC with the tailor which was emblazed with Alexon, which was one of their clothing brands. I followed discreetly until he pulled into Wentbridge Service area, where he stayed for about 20 minutes. He then drove onto the M18 and onto the M1. When we reached the service area the Milton Keynes AEC was there having gone further north and returned into the south facing HGV parking area. Our driver pulled in I parked in the car park and watched. They quickly changed trailers and parked next to each other and went into the service area café for a 45 minutes break.

Returning to his tractor our driver followed his Milton Keynes colleague until he turned back northwards at the next interchange. Again I followed thinking I had a wasted day as he would be back at West Auckland before 2.00PM. However I was soon to find out differently. Correct me if I’m wrong but it is the Woodlands I think that is or was set back off the A1 near Doncaster. He pulled in there and I parked next to a row of houses which gave me a good view of the café car park. He was in there for over two and a half hours. I noticed someone keep looking out from their window as I must have looked suspicious, but there was no where I could move to without going into the café car park. I kept expecting the police to come back at any time. When eventually he pulled out and carried on with his journey. I followed and when he veered off to go to West Auckland I carried on back to Spennymoor waiting for his return.

He came back at 6-00PM saying he had been delayed and I took out my log of his journey and gave him immediate dismissal. Not only had he attempted to get 1 hour extra at time and half but he had put the goods o the trailer at risk as he had broken the terms of the insurance.

We were contacted by the Transport and general Workers Union, who although unofficially agreed with me but said they had to represent him as he was claiming unfair dismissal.

Never for a moment until we got to court did I think we could loose but our solicitor was completely useless and the panel of three were obviously biased against our side. The case lasted three weeks and I was in the witness box for one and a half days. The chairman of the tribunal said I had been uncaring at the Woodlands café by not going in to see if he had taken ill, even though as all lorry drivers would know it was a very busy establishment, and also our ex employee had, in his evidence never given any reason for calling there or staying so long, or never claimed of feeling unwell or could show of any medical records that showed he had any latent illness. It was also alleged by the tribunal chaiman that I should have had a solicitor draw up the conditions even though everyone had agreed with them.

As I have already said we lost, and I can only say that if the three people who stood in judgement had my wishes they will have had dreadfully painful deaths especially the disgraceful chairman, a chap called Cohen, in my mind the Devil incarnate.

Incidentally the AEC carried on this work for 5 years, producing a fuel consumption of 12 mph pulling fairly heavy laden loads both ways in 40 ft trailers. Tyre wear was unbelievable and when we renewed the contract it was repainted in our livery.

At renegotiation it was decided to use 32gvw tractor units and Steinberg wanted Seddon Atkinson with Gardner 180 engines which they did indeed buy for our part we argued and got agreement on ERF with same engine. We could do some good comparison between the tractor units and the ERF won on every count.

Revised vehicle List still not complete
Bought between 1961 and 1985 I have no complete details 1920-1960

JUP653H BMC JU Luton van
1 ENK 306 Bedford WS 1938 30cwt
2 EUG702 Bedford WHG 1937 2 Tonner
3 4460PT Ford Thames 1961 15cwt van
4 4479PT Bedford SB 1961 Marsden Pantechnicon
5 1372UP Bedford SB 1962 Marsden Pantechnicon
6 6188HN Bedford KD 1962 Marsden Luton Van
7 367MPT Bedford SB 1963 Marsden Pantechnicon
8 DPT100B Morris FG 2 Tonner1964 1964 Marsden Pantechnicon
9 xxxxxxB Guy Otter 1964 Coop Luton Van Gardner 4 cylinder
10 xxxxxxB Guy Otter 1964 Coop Luton Van Gardner 4 cylinder
11 xxxxxxC Guy Otter 1965 Coop Luton Van Gardner 4 cylinder
12 FUP145C Bedford SB 1965 Marsden Pantechnicon
13 JUP945C Bedford SB 1965 Marsden Pantechnicon First full Fibreglass Body
14 BSO172C Bedford SB 1965 Marsden Pantechnicon
15 NPT719D Morris J2 1966 Luton Van
16 HTY631d Bedford tk 1966 TIPPER
17 MPT692D Bedford SB 1966 Marsden Pantechnicon
18 RPT440D Bedford SB 1966 Marsden Pantechnicon
19 SUP293E Ford Transit 1967 Van
20 SUP410E Bedford SB 1967 Marsden Pantechnicon
21 UPT149E Bedford SB 1967 Marsden Pantechnicon
22 VPT828F Bedford SB 1968 Marsden Pantechnicon
23 AUP241F Ford Transit 1968 Marsden Luton Van
24 BUP 312F Bedford KF 1968 Marsden Pantechnicon
25 KVM155F Bedford KF 1968 Marsden Pantechnicon
26 SAN831F Ford D800 1968 Tractor unit
27 YUP492F Bedford KG 1968 Luton Van Northern assemblies Consett Body
28 BUP692G Bedford KG 1969 Luton Van Northern assemblies Consett Body
29 DUP574G Ford Transit 1969 Marsden Luton Van
30 DUP574G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Pantechnicon
31 EPT614G BMC Laird 1969 Platform
32 EUP488G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Pantechnicon First van built to TIR Spec for continental work
33 FPT721G Ford D800 1969 Boxvan
34 FPt780G Bedford KE 1969 Marsden Luton Van Rebodied from 6188HN
35 KNM706G Ford D800 1969 Luton Van
36 LNA426G Bedford KF 1969 Boalloy Pantechnicon
37 HNB429G Bedford KF 1969 Boalloy Pantechnicon
38 NED374G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Pantechnicon
39 NED566G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Pantechnicon
40 NXG526G Bddford Tk 1969 Tractor unit
41 RTY5G Dodge !3ton GVW 1969 Marsden Luton Van
42 RTY6G Dodge 13ton GVW1969 1969 Marsden Luton Van
43 UBB794G AEC Mercury 1969 Box Van
44 VDY828G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Pantechnicon
45 YWT802G Bedford KF 1969 Marsden Luton Van
46 AYH806H Ford D800 1970 Tractor unit
47 CLL697H Ford D800 1970 Tractor unit
48 ETN802H Leyland Laird 1970 Boxvan
49 GPT233H Bedford KF 1970 Luton Van
50 GPT963H Bedford KF 1970 Marsden Pantechnicon
51 GPT786H Bedford KF 1970 Marsden Pantechnicon
52 HUP329H Bedford KF 1970 Luton Van Chassis extended to accommodate Coachskill 27 ft Demountable B
53 JPT336H Bedford KF 1970 Marsden Luton Van
54 JUP271H Bedford KF 1970 Marsden Luton Van
55 KPT65H Bedford CF 3.5ton GVW 1970 Marsden Luton Van
56 LEX905H Leyland Laird 1970 Boxvan
57 LEX915H Leyland Laird 1970 Boxvan
58 LEX919H Leyland Laird 1970 Boxvan
59 MPT393H Leyland FG 3.5ton GVW 1970 Marsden Luton Van
60 RDC975H AEC Mandator 1970 Tractor unit
61 TPT926H Bedford TK 1970 Boxvan
62 WFD975H BMC Laird 1970 Boxvan
63 GPT620H Landrover 1970
64 GPT658H BMC JU 1970 Luton Van
65 ABB953J AEC Mercury 1971 Boxvan
66 CBB271J Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
67 DNB866J Bedford KG 1971 Boxvan
68 ENP864J Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
69 ENP765j Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
70 enp766j Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
71 ENP767J Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
72 EUP834J Leyland Laird 1971 Boxvan
73 LPT865J Bedford KF 1971 Marsden Luton Van
74 LPT866J Bedford Kf 1971 Marsden Luton Van
75 LPT878J Bedford KF 1971 Boxvan
76 LUP315J Seddon Pennine 1971 Pantechnicon
77 MPT784J Leyland Masttiff 1971 Tractor unit
78 MUP577J Bedford KF 1971 Marsden Pantechnicon
79 MUP578J Bedford Kf 1971 Marsden Pantechnicon
80 NUP865J Bedford Kf 1971 Marsden Pantechnicon
81 VED488J Bedford KF 1971 Marsden Pantechnicon
82 EVK818K Leyland Laird 1972 Boxvan
83 KYY798K Bedford KF 1972 Coachskill Boxvan
84 RPT498K Bedford KF 1972 Coachskill Boxvan
85 RUP799K Ford D800 1972 Tractor unit
86 RPT xxxK Ford Transit 1972 Van
87 TPT927K Bedford KG 1972 Boxvan
88 XED393K Bedford KG 1972 Boxvan
89 CUP305L Bedford KG 1973 Marsden Boxvan
90 CPT404L Leyland FG350 1973 Marsden Luton Van
91 GGG325L GUY BigJ 1973 Tractor unit
92 SUY276L Leyland Super Comet 1973 Tractor unit
93 SUY278L Leyland Super Comet 1973 Tractor unit
94 VUP184L Bedford TK 1973 Boxvan
95 VUP708L Bedford TK 1973 Boxvan
96 VUP812L Seddon Pennine 1973 Marsden Pantechnicon
97 YPT630L Dodge 24Ton 1973 Tractor unit
98 YPT631L Dodge 24Ton 1973 Tractor unit
99 YUP194L Seddon Pennine 1973 Marsden Pantechnicon
100 No reg Bedford KF Breakdown truck
101 NRR878M Atkinson Borderer 1974 Tractor unit
102 OFK64M Bedford KF 1974 Vanplan Pantechnicon
103 OFK93M Bedford KF 1974 Vanplan Pantechnicon
104 OGR744M Ford D800 1974 Boxvan
105 NUP647M AEC Mercury 1974 Tractor unit
106 PCN451M Leyland Super Comet 1974 Tractor unit
107 PKW475M Bedford KF 1975 Marsden Pantechnicon
108 PPT909M Bedford KF 1975 Coachskill Boxvan
109 RPT601M Seddon Pennine 1975 Vanplan Pantechnicon
110 RPT602M Ford Passenger Chassis 1975 Pennine Pantechnicon
111 RPT603M Leyland Boxer 1975 Coachskill Boxvan
112 SPT256M AEC Mercury 1975 Tractor unit
113 SUP417M Bedford KF 1975 Coachskill Boxvan
114 SWT332M GUY BigJ4T 1975 Tractor unit
115 WTF305M Bedford KF 1975 Vanplan Pantechnicon
116 CBR475N Seddon 4 wheel 1976 Marsden Luton Van
117 GND71N Bedford KF 1976 Vanplan Pantechnicon
118 GWU552N Bedford KF 1976 Marsden Pantechnicon
119 GVN474N Leyland Super Comet 1976 Tractor unit
120 HBR484N Commer Comando 1976 Marsden Luton Van
121 UPT268N Bedford KG 1977 Boxvan
122 UPT454N Seddon 4 wheel 1977 Boxvan
123 HOH13N Dodge 1977 Tractor unit Used & Based at Drums Ltd Contract Felling
124 Reg ot known Dodge 1977 Tractor unit Used & Based at Drums Ltd Contract Felling
125 Reg ot known Dodge 1977 Tractor unit Used & Based at Drums Ltd Contract Felling
126 UPT839N Bedford KG 1977 Boxvan
127 KDB997P Bedford KF 1978 Vanplan Pantechnicon
128 KDB998P Bedford KF 1978 Vanplan Pantechnicon
129 KDB999P Bedford KF 1978 Vanplan Pantechnicon
130 KDB938P Bedford KF 1978 Vanplan Pantechnicon
131 LWP39P Bedford KF 1978 Luton Van
132 LWP97P Bedford KF 1978 Luton Van
133 MND463P Bedford KF 1978 Carlight Pantechnicon
134 MND467P Bedford KF 1978 Carlight Pantechnicon
135 NDJ426P Bedford TM 26Ton 1978 Tractor unit
136 NDJ429P Bedford TM 26Ton 1978 Tractor unit
137 NDJ430P Bedford TM26Ton 1978 Tractor unit
128 RPT338P Leyland Lynx 1979 Tractor unit
138 VGR686P Leyland Boxer 1979 Coachskill Boxvan
149 XUP998P Bedford KF 1979 Coachskill Boxvan
150 OJL288R Bedford TM 26Ton 1979 Tractor unit
151 OJL269R Bedford TM 26Ton 1979 Tractor unit
152 OVR561R Bedford KF 1979 Vanplan Pantechnicon
153 OVR563R Bedford KF 1979 Vanplan Pantechnicon
154 SGS333R Bedford KF 1980 Marsden Pantechnicon
155 SNB175R Bedford KF 1980 Luton Van
156 SVN516R Bedford KF 1980 Luton Van
157 TNE47R Bedford KF 1980 Luton Van
158 TPT531R Leyland Lynx 1980 Tractor unit
19 WGR640R Bedford TM 26Ton 1980 Tractor unit
160 AUP996S Bedford TM26Ton 1981 Tractor unit
161 AUP997S Seddon 16 Ton 1981 Boxvan
162 BPT732S Bedford TM 26Ton 1981 Tractor unit
163 EBR710S Bedford TM26Ton 1981 Tractor unit
164 GPT733S Bedford TM26Ton 1981 Tractor unit
165 OJR482S ERF B Gardner 1981 Tractor unit
166 RFT338S Leyland Super Comet 1981 Tractor unit
167 YNC401S Bedford KF 1981 Coachskill Boxvan
168 ADB590T ERF B Gardner 1981 Tractor unit
169 ADB867T ERF B Gardner 1981 Tractor unit
170 CAC602T Bedford KD 1981 Luton Van
171 CND402T Ford D1314 1982 Luton Van
172 KBR503T ERF B Gardner 1983 Tractor unit
173 NBR289T ERF B Gardner 1983 Tractor unit
174 NGR168T Bedford KF 1983 Marsden Pantechnicon
175 EJW877V Ford 24 ton 1983 Tractor unit
176 EJW878V Ford 24 ton 1983 Tractor unit
177 JLP148V Ford D710 1983 Boxvan
178 SGR951V Bedford TK1470 1983 Coachskill Boxvan
179 TPT19V Bedford TK1470 1983 Marsden Pantechnicon
180 VWP652V Ford D710 1983 Boxvan
181 XBR650V Bedford TK140 1983 Marsden Pantechnicon
182 BPT602W ERF B Gardner 1983 Tractor unit
183 VBR690W Bedford 1983 Boxvan
184 DBR246W Bedford TK1470 1983 Marsden Pantechnicon
185 HNL227W Bedford TK1470 1984 Marsden Pantechnicon Special Chasis & Body Displayed in our livery Commercial Motor Show
186 NED965W Bedford TK1479 1984 Boxvan
187 OPT463W Bedford TK1470 1984 Boxvan
188 NED35W Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider
189 NED36W Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider
190 NED96W Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider
191 PCN451W Leyland 1984 Tractor unit
192 VOO581W DAF 1600 1984 Tractor unit
193 LRG829X ERF B Gardner 1984 Tractor unit
194 RDC439X Magirus DeutZ 90M79 1984 Luton Van
195 RDC440X Magirus DeutZ 90M79 1984 Luton Van
196 A501XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
197 A502XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
198 A503XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
199 A504XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
200 A505XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
201 A506XVK Mercedes 1617 1984 Curtainsider With Tailift
202 B290MDC Mercedes 1213 1985 Boxvan with tailift Last new vehicle we bought

can remember but not reg nos

3 Bedford KD These Bedfords 9EX watsons carriers were rebodied with bodies from 2 B Reg and 1C Reg Guy otter
Bedford TK Luton Van 7.5 to GVW Reg not remembered
Bedford TL Luton van 12 ton GVW Reg not remembered
Dodge Luton Van 12ton GVW Reg Not Remembered
BMC 550FG Reg Not remembered
BMC EA Van about Jreg
Bedford J Model 30 cwt Van about c reg
There also was Bedford RL Dropsided 4 wheel drive which we used to tow out vehicles in snow
Also a New leyland Boxer 13 tonGVW with Coachskill Glassonite 24ft body with Taillift about T Reg
New Leyland 350 FG With Coachskill Alluminium box Van Body about V reg
Service vans from Memory
Mini van
Morris Minor van
BMc FG 350 platform used by tyre fitters
3 ■■■■■■ vans
Bedford HA Van used by Coachskill
Bedford diesel pickup truck

About 35 assorted trailers Majority Coachskill Glassonit bodies with Tailifts

Hi
From my earlier post you asked what firm I was with when i collected a porter from your depot to help unload, I work for a small firm in Sussex called Turners Removals , the photos show two of the vans that i would have been driving in the early eighties, The Bedford TK 1260 with a 500 engine in it and was bought new , after a year i then went on to the Saviem JP 13, it was like getting out of a Morris Minor and into a Rolls Royce and for the first time a sleeper cab, a vehicle built long before its time alot of anti French then but i thought it was great. also one of the photos show one of your Atkinson Borderers NRR 878? with a sleeper.

billybob:
Hi
From my earlier post you asked what firm I was with when i collected a porter from your depot to help unload, I work for a small firm in Sussex called Turners Removals , the photos show two of the vans that i would have been driving in the early eighties, The Bedford TK 1260 with a 500 engine in it and was bought new , after a year i then went on to the Saviem JP 13, it was like getting out of a Morris Minor and into a Rolls Royce and for the first time a sleeper cab, a vehicle built long before its time alot of anti French then but i thought it was great. also one of the photos show one of your Atkinson Borderers NRR 878? with a sleeper.

Thank you Billybob for the photos, like yo we sometimes used other BAR members for porters to assist in unloading.
If you come accross any more photos please share them Carl

I surpose behind every cloud comes a little break of sunshine, and earlier I described of our unfair dismissal case, After we pulled ourselves round and licked our wounds I attended a meeting where we were addressed by representatives of ACAS. I discussed this matter and they agreed to assist us draw up conditions of employment and a company rule book. It frightened is to some extent as you used to hear of staff working to rule in bug employers but we had them printed and distributed to all staff.

I took the opportunity of adding a directory of staff telephone numbers as to who to ring if various problems occurred particularly at night, and we never had another ubfair dismissal and I got relief from continuous telephone calld on an evening. Its called delegating but actually it is passing the buck/

However we could have bought three new Bedford Marsdens out of what it cost us and that investment at that time could have greatly changed the longer term prospects of our business

I read with interest the views of members from ■■■■■■■ have towards Eddie Stobart.

I can identify with them and in the majority of cases I’m sure I share their views. Over here in the North East in 1973 John Davison left Direct transport at Shildon and formed John Dee. John is a person I have every respect for and when we have met I have enjoyed our conversations. In fact in 1984 I bought his then house from him, Denehurst in Ferryhill, and my young family (at that time) adopted his Samoyed dog, Saber, and two cats, who we felt would miss the house and grounds. However in business John was and still is, I have no doubt a shroud businessman and very astute and rate cutting was part of his business ethos. I have no doubt, but without a bit of bad luck, John Dee would have been every bit as big as Eddie Stobart are today. We all thrive on fair competition but sometimes you wonder at the fairness, and rate cutting was one of the many factors that put us out of business.

Road haulage is and always will be one of the hardest jobs you ever can come across and everyone who survives over a number of years has to work very hard. To say that others have not succeeded where Eddie Stobard has because of not working hard enough is a ridiculous statement.

However here are one or two facts about our company that will perhaps correct the views of some over the Stobart spotters and enthusiasts.

In the photograph attached you will see a photo of a line up of vehicles from about 1970 which was arranged from who was present that day and the vehicles that were in the yard at that time. There was no warning and drivers did not have time to clean up, change into clean clothes. As you will see all the drivers appear relatively smart in two piece suits badged on the breast pocket, and provided by the company.

We offered our employees good working conditions and fair wages, meal allowances, parking allowances and overnight subsistence. In fact every ex employee I’ve spoken to have said they never again got a better job and they had with us the best jobs in their lives. In every case they have, without being prompted, said my father was a gentleman.

We used to organise an annual Christmas Dinner dance for our staff and spouses when we provided free transport in the form of busses to and from the events.

We offered our staff a company pension scheme that was comparable with other industries at that time.

In our depot at Green Lane Spennymoor we provided drivers centrally heated rest room which was adequately sized to accommodate any drivers who were from time to time on site and had canteen facilities. We had a nominated doctor and dentist available for any urgent needs. We had a Wilcomatic commercial vehicle wash which was manned by Frank Morgan to ensure our vehicles were always clean and tidy on the road.

Our maintenance facilities were excellent with every vehicle being given a full MOT style inspection and service every three weeks or 5,000 miles. If a defect was found that vehicle was not allowed on the road till it was fully repaired.

So for those Stobart fans who might take an interest these things were not thought up by Stobart., but we like so many more haulage contactors throughout the country were offering them before the start of Stobarts.

Finally we had people who spotted and took an interest in our vehicles. In actual fact I had received a letter from an author of children’s books asking for permission to use one of our vans as a ‘goodie’ in a book he was writing. The proof of this is my ability to show on this thread a list of most vehicles from 1961-86. I can assure you that for the majority of time of the 20 years I worked for W.H.Williams I enjoyed my work but saw enough vans during my working hours that I never needed to take their registration numbers for pleasure. It is true that today I wished I had taken more photos to look back on and share today but at that time I saw them every day and suffered their problems and you can have too much of a good thing.

In the late fifties two employees joined us that were considered by their fellow workers to be cocknies. I think it was more their accent, as although they came from London they may not have been born within th sounds of Bow Bells. They were at first considered like foreigners. Northerners, in particular those from the North East were usually born bred and died in their home towns.

The first was Roger Owen who I believe lived in the Coundon area, and I remember him driving the Bedford petrol SB reg NUP
Roger stayed with us until the seventies when he joined NESS furniture. I was surprised to hear the other day that he is still alive and well living in Spennymoor, and I am told very active/

The second who joined us shortly after Roger, on Roger’s recomendation was Ronny Harris. I think Ronny lived in the Eldon area, and Ronny stayed with us until the end, Ronny grew into being one of our most trusted and loyal employees and the last I heard was still living with his wife Lorna in Shildon.

I can never remember any of our drivers saying about being football fans. It would have certainly been difficult if they had been because Saturday was an extreemly busy day into well on in the afternoon as we had to get everything loaded and ready to leave either early on a Monday morning or in many cases on the Sunday afternoon. Over the years I had spent many hours talking to Ronnie Harris and it was only a few years before we ended he told me he had been a professional football player with Millwall and had to reture from the sport due to an injury.

6188HN, a 1962 reg Bedford TK with 220 cu in 4 cylinder Bedford Diesel engine was an unlucky buy for us

It was originally bought and run as a drop sided truck by an engineering company called Summersons who had a large workshop in Low Spennymoor.
My dad heard they were closing during early 1974 and had noticed their wagon which had only done about 3,000miles from new and decided to see if he could buy as he thought it would probably be sold at a reasonable price. After prolonged negotiations 6188HN came to Marmaduke Street and had the dropsied body removed and subsequently sold.

I then went with Norman Snowball, one of our drivers to Marsdens at Warrington, where we left it to have a luton van body fitted. As it needed a wheelbase extension which had been arranged to be done by Primrose ,Marsden’s sent their driver and on his way the engine blew up. By this time Marsdens had been bought out by a company who had a string of Bedford and other main agencies as part of their group and the Bedford was towed into one of their workshops to examine it and report back what was needed to be done. It was an embarrassment by Marsden as the driver was theirs and there were discussions of who should pay for the repair. It was decided a new short motor should be fitted and a highly discounted price should be charged which would be paid on a 50/50 payment by us and Marsdens.

So it came back to us almost like a new vehicle, but obviously there was no guarantee. Troubles started almost from day one when nearly every trip resulted in problems. I hate to think how many injector pipes were changed as it continually broke them, and to make matters worse my dad drove up Marmaduke Street one day and forgot to apply the handbrake. Fortunately there was no one walking up the street as the TK started reversing itself down ploughing into a garden fence, which it demolished and parked itself against the gable wall of a house. We did all the repairs and very fortunately the police were not called.

Within a few months we again had to fit a new short motor. My dad was delighted when Fred Johnson from F.Johnson and Sons Durham asked if we had any vans for sale and we gladly sold him the TK.

Within a year we were to buy out Johnson’s and back it came and I think there were problems when Jeff Pye brought it through from Durham. At the same time Barry Hindmarch from Oughton carriers who were based at the bottom of Marmaduke Street was experiencing similar problems that we were with a four cylinder Bedford they were operating.

We soon decided enough is enough, after fitting another short motor and decided to buy a new chassis cab and rebody it. We managed to locate a KE Bedford chassis cab from Shaw and Kilburn, a main London based Bedford Dealer. Shaw and Kilburn delivered the new chassis and cab and when my dad asked how much we owed so he could write out a cheque, he was told ‘don’t worry you’ll get an invoice. At the end of the month an invoice came and of course we immediately paid. I wonder how many hauliers today would be trusted to receive a new chassis cab without immediately paying for it.

Our workshops did the wheelbase extension so both chassis were equal length and then we swapped over the body. The vehicle was registered as FPT 780G

Over the years e had three employees from the same family.

Tony Hawkins worked for us as a porter in the very early fifties. I cannot remember him but have heard about him. Originally dad said he was a very good, hard worker, however he left us to go into national service and on his return was a different person, and I believe got himself into criminal problems.

Harry Hawkins worked for us a number of years, and was a very good driver however he was very moody and perhaps depressed. He left us after an argument. I believe he originally drove 367 MPT from new. I went with him when I was 16 with 367MPT followed by DPT100B down to Tipton on one occasion to help them both unload so that they could get back to Spennymoor within their hours. Harry also drove FUP145C when it was new. It was only several weeks old when he was returning over the A66 between Kirby Steven and Brough on the bank that led up from Sayers garage an café an Army Convoy was passing him going towards Brough and one of the dozy soldiers drove straight ahead into the side of the van instead of following his colleagues in front and the road. Fortunately Harry was unladen and the body absorbed the crash and the soldier was not injured but the van needed a whole new side and had to go back to Marsdens. This was particularly annoying because we had waited so long for delivery of the van and it reduced our fleet capacity for four or five weeks. My dad’s attitude had always been ‘Never employ an army trained driver as the standards were very poor’

Laurie Hawkins was the third and started just after Harry left. He was what might be described as steady, never excelling himself but always having an average work record. Laurie had the unusual experience of been stung by bees when a bee keeper we were moving decided to let his bees out and then had the nerve to claim when Laurie dropped and damaged the item of furniture he was carrying when he was stung. I seem to remember that Laurie moved near to Ray Hornby at Oakenshaw and died through illness at a relatively young age.

hiya,
Thank you Carl for the info regarding Fyffes of Forres you sent me via email, I was beginning to think I’d begun to believe I’d imagined seeing them about but they did exist they did seem to be in quite a big way, never knew what their bread and butter traffic was, thanks again Carl.
thanks harry long retired.

harry_gill:
hiya,
Thank you Carl for the info regarding Fyffes of Forres you sent me via email, I was beginning to think I’d begun to believe I’d imagined seeing them about but they did exist they did seem to be in quite a big way, never knew what their bread and butter traffic was, thanks again Carl.

Hi Harry
I can understand how you felt , as my memory plays funny tricks with me ,but they, from my memory, did a similar service to Shore Porter Society and Clark & Rose and a run took them a full week as they dropped of and picked up on there north to South run and then likewise on their return. We never went to Forres to see the vehicle as they got their driver to call at Spennymoor on his way south and a deal was made over the phone. The driver called again with the vehicle on his northward leg of his journey accompanied by another driver and van to give him a lift home. We paid cash for the van and off they both went

Carl Williams:

georgeking:
This is an interesting thread, keep it up.

Someone mentioned Jones Soft Drinks on here, weren’t they also associated with another soft drinks company called Grays? H & ME Fearon’s depot at Mealsgate was their ■■■■■■■■ depot. about 3-4 lorries were based there in the 70’s.

Yes it was Grays who did direct deliveries round the homes. I think as more women went out to work this wasn’t as successful and they bought out Jones who had been at Bishop Auckland. Jones did wholesale sales through shops. I believe Grays had the biggest bottle washing machine in Europe. They used us to dodeliveries on 40ft flat trailers to Amos Hintons (a largish supermarket chain), and it is quite possible we also did loads over to ■■■■■■■■ To our misfortune we used to rope and sheet the trailers until we lost a load over in teeside, after that time we had to use nets.

Grays were negotiating with a soft drinks somewhere near Huddesfield, who worked from very old premises. They would have require a 40ft load a day but were ancious that we would no be able to get foft trailer into their premises. I suspect it was William Hagues family (The Foreign Secretary). I went down to meet them and look at the premises. I order to assre them I sent one of our artics round to reverse in.However it never came off as they musn’t have been able to agree terms.
Thank you for replying Carl

I can remember Alpine pop being delivered to some houses in the street where I grew up many years ago in Bishop Auckland. Had khaki coloured TK’s and 8 wheeler Fodens. Last I knew of Kenny Dagga was He’d left John Dee’s and gone to Reeves.

Carl Williams:

harry_gill:
hiya,
Thank you Carl for the info regarding Fyffes of Forres you sent me via email, I was beginning to think I’d begun to believe I’d imagined seeing them about but they did exist they did seem to be in quite a big way, never knew what their bread and butter traffic was, thanks again Carl.

Hi Harry
I can understand how you felt , as my memory plays funny tricks with me ,but they, from my memory, did a similar service to Shore Porter Society and Clark & Rose and a run took them a full week as they dropped of and picked up on there north to South run and then likewise on their return. We never went to Forres to see the vehicle as they got their driver to call at Spennymoor on his way south and a deal was made over the phone. The driver called again with the vehicle on his northward leg of his journey accompanied by another driver and van to give him a lift home. We paid cash for the van and off they both went

hiya,
Carl I did say i once got a return load from Ffyfes it was on a rare occasion I was driving a four wheeler trader with a luton body and the load I’m pretty certain was for the military base at Burtonwood only one drop for a change a load of bookcases if my memory is still working, which ties in with what you said was their type of work, but coming from Lancashire in those days quite a result a one dropper on the doorstep for a change and a chance to get my own motor back.
thanks harry long retired.

FUP145C had another more serious accident when it was much older. We had two drivers at the time called Pinkney and I am not sure of the first name of the driver who was driving. In a small village in Lancashire whilst approaching a bend where there was a row of people standing at a bus stop waiting for the next bus our driver had a heart attach and died at the wheel. The van carried on travelling straight ahead and just missing the people standing waiting it hit a church wall and substantial damage was done to the cab. Normally in these circumstances the vehicle would have been towed back to Spennymoor, where no doubt the insurers would have written it off and we would have bought the salvage and repaired it and put it back on the road, but due to the circumstances we didn’t bother as I suspect no one would have felt like driving it again. We sent a driver to photograph it and I have in the recent year just managed to loose it. Looking at it recently, we would have only has to ask Marsden’s to supply half a cab front and bonded the fibreglass back into place, but after the driver’s death we just didn’t have the will to do so.

andrewv8:

Carl Williams:

georgeking:
This is an interesting thread, keep it up.

Someone mentioned Jones Soft Drinks on here, weren’t they also associated with another soft drinks company called Grays? H & ME Fearon’s depot at Mealsgate was their ■■■■■■■■ depot. about 3-4 lorries were based there in the 70’s.

Yes it was Grays who did direct deliveries round the homes. I think as more women went out to work this wasn’t as successful and they bought out Jones who had been at Bishop Auckland. Jones did wholesale sales through shops. I believe Grays had the biggest bottle washing machine in Europe. They used us to dodeliveries on 40ft flat trailers to Amos Hintons (a largish supermarket chain), and it is quite possible we also did loads over to ■■■■■■■■ To our misfortune we used to rope and sheet the trailers until we lost a load over in teeside, after that time we had to use nets.

Grays were negotiating with a soft drinks somewhere near Huddesfield, who worked from very old premises. They would have require a 40ft load a day but were ancious that we would no be able to get foft trailer into their premises. I suspect it was William Hagues family (The Foreign Secretary). I went down to meet them and look at the premises. I order to assre them I sent one of our artics round to reverse in.However it never came off as they musn’t have been able to agree terms.
Thank you for replying Carl

I can remember Alpine pop being delivered to some houses in the street where I grew up many years ago in Bishop Auckland. Had khaki coloured TK’s and 8 wheeler Fodens. Last I knew of Kenny Dagga was He’d left John Dee’s and gone to Reeves.

Its vic again Carl i remember our local fish shop selling Alpine pop in Aycliffe nevill parade not far from your dellivery to the first house on the town. Vic.PS a name from the past Austin spooner worked for the pop companys in spenny then went on for him self .a gentleman who i still see now and again