Armagedon:
Or didn’t you read about the Vosa area manager just done for benefit fraud.
I didn’t, where was this?
no of only 1 whos been fined since new fines system was put in place and as far as i know it was 60 pounds for axle overweight, so if you look at 1 driver for how many i know its not even1%, but there again he might be the only driver whos been stopped ,so could be 100%.there was as far as i know a fair possibility hed bee reinbursed the 60 pounds as the paper work stated he was o.k weight wise, but vosa weigh bridge said different
ROG:
There are many posts on here that seem to indicate that VOSA fine just about every driver that is pulled in for a check !!
I can’t really believe that this is the case - probably we only hear about those that do get fined.So to the question -
Out of 100 LGVs that VOSA pull in, how many actually get a FINE ?
Rog,
This is england people are never happy and have to have a moan about something 
right wheres my beer so i can chill
put a reply to k adams moan post. put simply we will need to know how to m.o.t. a lorry. if you do your walk round checks daily HOW are we meant to know if the tacho seal is missing or have a cracked disc? how on this earth are we responsible/accountable for this? my response now is to detour however far it takes to avoid them now. so how many other drivers will be doing this? how is this going to make our vehicles safer by finning us? its just a money making scheme. as for camera vans why are they always on straight bits of road? if they were safety cameras why are they not parked at the end of straights before a corner? or in 30mph limits? on the a roads i travel i do crack on at the better bits and often catch up with cars doing 40 and stay at 40 going through 30 zones? 
not long ago i worked for a very popular irish company (with vosa) got pulled almost every other day had a fair few delayed probitions on things that driver could do nothing about but never had a problem with any of them like harry said they are there to protect me although i have heard a few stories from other drivers 
For Harry’s benefit,benefit fraud,the latest issue of CM.
And for many more of you I expect you actually believed at one time your MP’s were honest.
And we haven’t even started on the police or do you all think they are all honest bodies as well.
Great Britain,get your snout in the trough before it’s too late ,everybody else has.
Armagedon:
For Harry’s benefit,benefit fraud,the latest issue of CM.
And for many more of you I expect you actually believed at one time your MP’s were honest.
And we haven’t even started on the police or do you all think they are all honest bodies as well.
Great Britain,get your snout in the trough before it’s too late ,everybody else has.
Some will be trying to say that it’s unheard of for money to have to change hands between operators and the Russian Police/Government on the Russian runs for some unfathomable ‘reason to do with some offence’ or other’?.Anyway if it’s all supposed to be kosher and a safety thing then it would be a case of truck gets stopped and found to be dangerous.So why not call out a low loader,of the operators choice,and have it taken back to base or to a place where it can be repaired at the operators expense?.But in that case no money should need to change hands between VOSA/Government and the offending operator?.The only person who needs to be payed would be the recovery operator and the repairer?.There’s also no need to criminalise the driver other than if it’s something which should have reasonably been expected to have been noticed by him which should be for a judge and even a jury to decide in court not by someone at the side of the road?.If the wagon is’nt found to be dangerous to the point where it needs prohibition from the highway then there’s still no reason for any money to change hands is there?.So why the money angle if we can trust our government to be acting in good faith supposedly??.
think deep down everyone knows we get ripped of day in day out by the govermont in one way or another .
motorists are just easy target’s as we all no there is no revenue in catching some thug thats just kicked the hell out of a old lady for her money .
tell you what they dont like when they come close up behind and you slam the brake’s on hard and kick up every bit of crap on the road at there winscreen either way there going to fine you so may aswell give them a good enough exuse .
i dont think pepole have a problem with them making the roads safer etc its the fact its nothing to do with that its all about the money .
for instance they pull someone and give them a fine because it’s not roadworthy but there allowed to continue there journey how is that making things safer 
used to have a lot of respect for the police because they have to deal with the scum of the earth but not anymore , well they dont deal with them no profit in a smack head .
In response to the comment about Kieran being fined for no tacho seal. If it was me, I would have elected for a court hearing, stood accused with my hand on a book and offered my side of the story, the tacho seals are not down to the driver to check, replace or remove.
The magistrates would have to take advice probably and find that the licensed operator should be holding the good book, not the driver.
I would then ask for costs for my day out.
As well as that, the haulage industry needs dragging into the 21st century, it used to be fine to have some office oik tell you that a missing mud flap wasn’t a problem, and we would get it fixed during the week, well everyone knows now that due to the workload, it didn’t get fixed that week, or probably for the next 3 weeks. So now, you can spend time with a cup of coffee whilst being paid, walking round the truck, counting tyres, checking bulbs and generally pottering for 15 to 30 minutes. If you are confident the truck is ok, then VOSA or BAG or Rijkswacht are generally going to leave you alone.
The agency is doing it’s bit for road safety, catching a few miscreants, in fact it has issued tickets to over 11,000 targeted vehicles, with 60% going to non UK vehicles, isn’t that what you have all been screaming for in your 30 page threads about the Eastern bloc drivers?
I look forward to driving on safer roads in future
PS. I suppose the benefit cheat lets the side down a bit, but do a google news search on benefit fraud, it brings up lots, including schoolteachers, couriers, lorry drivers, housewives, vosa staff and politicians. it means jack!
I read a VOSA ‘story’ in a news paper today.
The truck driver explained he’d been fined £200 and parked up for 45 hours.
Why ?
Because his weekend break was on 38 hours.
According to the drivers report, as written up by the paper, that was it 
.
Aye, right then. And he paid up ■■
Could it also be that some Vosa operatives are stricter than others in the application of the rules,or may be slightly ignorant of the rules?
I was stopped at Doxey at 2am on Saturday morning.Wheel-tapper found no faults,but the young lady who checked the documentation,when she returned with my tachos,said there was a problem with the previous days chart.She said I had driven 4h55m before stopping for a break.She said she would just give me a warning.I would have thought that 25min over would have attracted a fine,considering it was an uneventful drive through the night from Larkhall to Blyth viaM74,M6,A66,A1.Absolutely no hold ups at all.
She didn’t seem to take the 25mins for walkround checks and a fuel stop into account.When I stopped for my break,my shift length was about 4h55m,but according to my TS02,I stopped after 4h29m driving.
Didn’t want to rattle her cage,so just accepted the warning and was on my way 
Both the young lady and the wheeltapper were friendly and polite at all times.I was a little apprehensive when I was pulled,as this was only the third time in 35 years on coaches and trucks ,but it wasn’t so bad really.
last time i was in a vosa site (carlisle) i got the full check (weight,brake test,wheels tapped, tachos checked). i was in the site for a hour and a half and in that time nine stobbies came in and all were sent straight out again without being looked at, when i asked the wheeltapper why they werent looking at any of there trucks the reply i got was that mr stobart was a green haulier.
scotstrucker:
last time i was in a vosa site (carlisle) i got the full check (weight,brake test,wheels tapped, tachos checked). i was in the site for a hour and a half and in that time nine stobbies came in and all were sent straight out again without being looked at, when i asked the wheeltapper why they werent looking at any of there trucks the reply i got was that mr stobart was a green haulier.
That would be their “traffic light” system. If one of your company’s trucks or driver’s get busted for an infringement a black mark goes against the company name. After so many marks an “amber” alert is placed against the company. continue getting infringements & it goes to red, & sometimes you may find VOSA will “raid” your premises & stop anything going in or out & will go through vehicles & paperwork with a fine tooth come, & may well apply to remove your “O” license if they don’t like what they find.
It stands to reason that say a VOSA mechanic will say have time to check 8-10 trucks in any one day they will spend more time with trucks that look “beat up” (PC Plod uses the same tactic with cars. Try driving a rusty old but legal with a noisey stereo Fiat Panda & see how often you get pulled compared to say a year old fiesta), or are owned by companys past bad behavior)
i was tugged on the A38/A5 test area near Lichfield the other week. They checked my tachos (ten mins), but never bothered looking at my truck, because I work for a UK company with a good record. However in front of me stood a tired looking 7.5t which was receiving the “fully monty”, because chances are they were going to find something amiss.
I seen a lot more VOSA activity since the early summer tugging trucks the majority being foreigners & I quite often see at Sandbach one of my regular stops a wagon that been “chained up” whilst an infringement is sorted. Good on 'em I say. There is nothing worse as a haulier spend ££££s on keeping you wagons maintained & safe, your paper work in order, & as a driver making sure you stick to the tacho rules along with the various driving regs, only to see some cowboy getting away with it.
The Cowboys will always be cheaper so it puts honest hauliers & driver out of work.
The only other thing I’d say is in enforcement be by Plod, VOSA, tax inspector what ever sometimes they will get it wrong, & some of their staff will be idiots, or Hitlers. The worst thing to do though is go in with a giant chip on your shoulder. If you give the VOSA person the hump with a bad attitude it may mean the difference between a quick tacho check to a full going over looking for the smallest infringement. If your are fined & you believe unjustly you can always appeal against it.
VOSA = TOSSERS. End of story.
Secretelephant:
That would be their “traffic light” system. If one of your company’s trucks or driver’s get busted for an infringement a black mark goes against the company name. After so many marks an “amber” alert is placed against the company. continue getting infringements & it goes to red, & sometimes you may find VOSA will “raid” your premises & stop anything going in or out & will go through vehicles & paperwork with a fine tooth come, & may well apply to remove your “O” license if they don’t like what they find.
With the OCRS scheme a haulier has to earn green status, so even Mr Tinkler will have had his fair share of trucks stopped previously. We had a reasonable score I believe with my old company, the UK trucks were generally left alone, but the identical French, Romanians and Hungarian registered vehicles were stopped more often as they were an unknown quantity.
what got me was the fact the firm i work for are a green haulier too so why didnt they even stop one of them for a look, it made me think that them stobbies are getting preferentional treatment over other smaller hauliers.
Mr Stobart may very well be a green haulier,he is also very rich compared to many and will have access to very fine legal minds,As a member of a Vosa team would you like to confront a tiger or a pussycat,those roads out there are a jungle!
i belive that its the same with a company called clipper logistic’s .
everytime been pulled its always near enough drive straight back out the other side
Wheel Nut:
In response to the comment about Kieran being fined for no tacho seal. If it was me, I would have elected for a court hearing, stood accused with my hand on a book and offered my side of the story, the tacho seals are not down to the driver to check, replace or remove.The magistrates would have to take advice probably and find that the licensed operator should be holding the good book, not the driver.
I would then ask for costs for my day out.
As well as that, the haulage industry needs dragging into the 21st century, it used to be fine to have some office oik tell you that a missing mud flap wasn’t a problem, and we would get it fixed during the week, well everyone knows now that due to the workload, it didn’t get fixed that week, or probably for the next 3 weeks. So now, you can spend time with a cup of coffee whilst being paid, walking round the truck, counting tyres, checking bulbs and generally pottering for 15 to 30 minutes. If you are confident the truck is ok, then VOSA or BAG or Rijkswacht are generally going to leave you alone.
The agency is doing it’s bit for road safety, catching a few miscreants, in fact it has issued tickets to over 11,000 targeted vehicles, with 60% going to non UK vehicles, isn’t that what you have all been screaming for in your 30 page threads about the Eastern bloc drivers?
I look forward to driving on safer roads in future
PS. I suppose the benefit cheat lets the side down a bit, but do a google news search on benefit fraud, it brings up lots, including schoolteachers, couriers, lorry drivers, housewives, vosa staff and politicians. it means jack!
Nothing much wrong with any of that but why do they need to take money in fines?.If your wagon fails it’s MOT at the test station there’s no fine to be paid and no charges brought against the driver you just take it away and fix it and problem solved? although too many serious failures rightly have implications for the o licence.So why should it be different if it’s found with a fault on the road?.
Carryfast:
Nothing much wrong with any of that but why do they need to take money in fines?.If your wagon fails it’s MOT at the test station there’s no fine to be paid and no charges brought against the driver you just take it away and fix it and problem solved? although too many serious failures rightly have implications for the o licence.So why should it be different if it’s found with a fault on the road?.
If your wagon fails an MOT, you take it away and fix it.
If you’re pulled off the road and there’s a fault, you’re demonstrating that you’re driving a defective wagon and not fixing it.
If you hadn’t been pulled you would carry on driving, unless you’re already booked in at a repair place and were making your way there.