Read this
truckingtopics.co.uk/loadingpallettra.html
There’s no VOSA-approved method for DD pallet trunk trailers yet.
When there is, I’ll post here.
All the best
GG
j.gooch:
Only £100? As far as I am concerned both you and the company should have been fined the maximum possible. you for being a [zb] for taking it, and the company for allowing it. before you all start whinning it will never shift, I have done it for 30 years ,etc there is always a first time. As for the [zb] that the curtain will hold it, think again. they are to keep the load dry. End of. It wouldn’t happen in Germany. Stop whinging and learn the lesson ,better £100 than someones life.
Can you please point out the bit where I was whinging please, I’m struggling to find it 
Which category were you placed in Op… See my thread on vosa menu
I go with j.gooch if it is not restrained its not secure. ive had the ■■■■ taken out of me for over 30 years about restraining loads, all the hogwash about too heavy, the curtain will hold it, but its in a box van/container. the only reasons people don’t restrain things are either they are too lazy or don’t know how, to say you cant do pallets on a decker is incorrect what they mean is they have not thought how they will secure them, but rest assured when the fines start to mount up they will change their ways.
hotel magnum:
I go with j.gooch if it is not restrained its not secure. ive had the ■■■■ taken out of me for over 30 years about restraining loads, all the hogwash about too heavy, the curtain will hold it, but its in a box van/container. the only reasons people don’t restrain things are either they are too lazy or don’t know how, to say you cant do pallets on a decker is incorrect what they mean is they have not thought how they will secure them, but rest assured when the fines start to mount up they will change their ways.
+1
unless my load looked like a fishing net I wasn’t happy. Every hook over the sheet, or often roped over corner boards underneath as well between the pallets after sheeting. 
should have a 4mtr trailer hight limit the same as europe then wouldnt av to bother about strapping a top deck …= more road movements =more jobs
I know going back a year or two a agency lad pickeda load of dolafs out of that bacon factory in Malton,he should of bared it but didn’t for whatever reason,came out factory headed into town and turned down Beverly road( think that’s the road), few steepish hills at beginning,missed a gear and ended up with them sliding down the trailer,knocking doors open and ending up on the road 
,not something I would of ever thought possible to be honest.
Must admit do them tesco loads these days and every row of cages are double strapped and touch wood never had one move yet,not so keen though when you bring the emptys back,how ever you strap them the never seem as tight as I’d like them,but again not had them move up till now
Darb:
Alcpone it’s not endorsable MVMTM
yes it is, well they gave me some for 4 straw bales.
puntabrava:
Darb:
Alcpone it’s not endorsable MVMTMyes it is, well they gave me some for 4 straw bales.
That’s not what it says on the tin 
Conor:
Truckulent:
‘VOSA - the most out of touch bunch of idiots we have to put up with these days.’Discuss.
The new laws - a direct result of all the loads that’ve ended up on the road as a result of not being secured, some of which have killed people, because drivers couldn’t be arsed.
Discuss.
Often the result of poor drivers cornering too fast for the load they are carrying. Driven appropriately, the vast majority of loads won’t fall out if the curtain is load bearing. A strap across the back is usually (not always) sufficient.
I’ve pulled many a DD with pallets not strapped in and never spilled one yet…
But then again I’m not a tear-arse… 
If VOSA are intending this as a safety campaign then the first offence should have an educational outcome - not a financial penalty.
If it hasn’t shifted and hasn’t fallen out, by definition it must be secure. So do you still get fined? The criteria may be clear but will it be applied with conformity?
We shall see.
didn’t know the law said it had to be strapped
thought it was the load had to be SECURE
nick2008:
didn’t know the law said it had to be strappedthought it was the load had to be SECURE
That’s what it says…
Quote from my other thread
trubster:
Interesting reading, re: load security, this is the official VOSA guidanceAll the below also have FUE (Follow up enquiries) with the operator too, cant look good on any O-Licence.
Work out your fine i.e. TYPE A, Category 1 = A1, Prohibition and FP
TYPE A
Metal pipes, sheet or bar
Bricks, stone or concrete, reinforced concrete
Vehicles (including scrap)
Plant machinery
Reels (steel, wire or paper)
Kegs and barrels
Stacked loaded skips or empty skips stacked >3
Metal casings
Glass
Containers/work cabinsTYPE B
Timber
FIBs/bulk powder
Roll cages
Bagged aggregate
Empty skips stacked 3 high
Heavy palletised goods (1)TYPE C
Clothing
Wood chip
Waste paper
Coal bags
Bulk material (in tipper)
Packaging material
Single loaded skips
Empty skips stacked < 3 high
Light palletised goods (2)Category 1
No load securing
More than 30 cm gap between front of load and vehicle Headboard (3)
Unstable load affecting vehicle stability or likely to topple from vehicle
Severe structural damage to headboard or gaps in headboard that would allow load penetration
Items loaded over height of headboard (4)Category 2
Up to 30cm gap between load and vehicle headboard (5)
Unsheeted load in bulk tipper or skip
Inadequate load securing leading to likely risk of harm
Unsuitable stacking of load items likely to lead to risk of harm
Height of load likely to affect vehicle stabilityCategory 3
Lashings on ropehooks (6)
Minor damage to headboard not affecting structural integrity
Unsuitable load securing
Poor condition of securing equipment
Unsuitable vehicle for loadNotes:
(1) Pallet weight greater than 400 kgs
(2) Pallet weight 400 kgs or less
(3) Unless other means of preventing forward movement have been used
(4) This refers to individual items, such as a bundle of pipes. A single indivisible item may be loaded over the height of the headboard as long as the headboard supports it to the height of the centre of gravity
(5) As for (3)
(6) This is always poor practice but there may be no other suitable attachment pointsA-1 / Prohibition and fixed penalty £100
A-2 / Prohibition and fixed penalty £100
A-3 / Verbal warning
B-1 / Prohibition and fixed penalty £100
B-2 / Prohibition and fixed penalty £100
B-3 / Verbal warning
C-1 / Prohibition and fixed penalty £100
C-2 / Verbal warning
C-3 / Verbal warning
j.gooch:
Only £100? As far as I am concerned both you and the company should have been fined the maximum possible. you for being a [zb] for taking it, and the company for allowing it. before you all start whinning it will never shift, I have done it for 30 years ,etc there is always a first time. As for the [zb] that the curtain will hold it, think again. they are to keep the load dry. End of. It wouldn’t happen in Germany. Stop whinging and learn the lesson ,better £100 than someones life.
Agreed but why on earth would the op be paying the fine unless he has been told by his company to do it, there lorry there fine.
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I’m going to invent trailers with 13 roof supports down each side.
No more pallet lashing required. 
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I am new to all this strapping malarky with curtain siders, well not completely, as in did curtainsiders years ago, at the moment I am pulling euro liners, I can understand loading for export, it needs strapping, but when its only locals does the timbers between the roof supports count as load restraints or does every thing still need strapping? well I would strap the rear pallets.
I had one on the other day and was told it was a reinforced curain, but according to info from VOSA, the load still needed fully strapping.
Done double deckers on pallet network, and nothing was ever strapped>
All I can say is, I will be glad to get back to doing containers, as curtainsiders seem to be far to much work for my liking these days!
When I was younger and still green I took a load to a nhs storage facility, being new I was silly enough to listen to our night loader that it was all fastened down and secure, got to delivery, pulled curtains back to be met by at least a dozen cages falling on top of me. Like I said luckily it was a nhs place I was delivering to.
After that every pallet was strapped no matter how big or small.
weeto:
I am new to all this strapping malarky with curtain siders, well not completely, as in did curtainsiders years ago, at the moment I am pulling euro liners, I can understand loading for export, it needs strapping, but when its only locals does the timbers between the roof supports count as load restraints or does every thing still need strapping? well I would strap the rear pallets.
I had one on the other day and was told it was a reinforced curain, but according to info from VOSA, the load still needed fully strapping.
Done double deckers on pallet network, and nothing was ever strapped>
All I can say is, I will be glad to get back to doing containers, as curtainsiders seem to be far to much work for my liking these days!
The curtain is just that a curtain , its purpose is to protect the load from the elements and that’s all. The curtain wont stop the load moving which can still cause the vehicle to become unstable.
Think of it this way …
Load on a flat bed moves ==== it slides off the bed and drops on the floor
Load on a curtain moves ==== causes the trailer to move and becomes unstable…
Load id secured to trailer ==== load don’t move NO PROBLEM
While i can see why the loads need to be strapped to try and keep them nice and secure there seems to be a few points missing from some of the post’s most of the internal straps are only rated to 5 ton breaking strain most trailers have 24 straps in them some 26 that is one for each pallet so that makes a total of using 24 straps a a load 5 x 24 = 120 tons your load weighs roughly 28 tons so plenty of lee way or so you think you travel at 56 MPH on motorway your load ( not counting the weight of your truck ) now weighs 1568 tons that means your straps are now well below any breaking strain for the load and once it has been strapped down it now makes one block weighing 28 tons when you break there is over 1000 tons on your brakes that what it comes to as in pressure needed to stop your truck ( but you can’t drive at 10 MPH all day ) so the straps theory is floored as the straps are only held by a roller and ball bearing in a light allot track and it is the track that takes the strain these tracks have been ripped of trailers in sharp breaking and even sharp cornering 
Also the other point which i am sure that as proffessional drivers you will have your hard hat complete with chin strap to keep it on and goggles gloves safety boots and hi-viz vest all of theses will not help you one little bit with those double decker trailers you should also have under health and safety rules a harness which is attacheted to a pully system so if you fall from that height instead of falling to the ground at the speed of sound and smashing like an egg the system lowers you slowly to the ground there is a minimum height that the harness has to be worn but cannot remember what it is ( i think it is 3 or 4 feet of the ground ) your health and safety officer should be able to tell you and there should also be a at risk assessment on the wall where you load. Also you posted the ticket they gave you did they take pictures as well if not then there is no evidence that the load was not secure only there word for it i am not telling anyone how to do there job well all cut corners and i am no exception but if we are going to enforce the rules i feel it is to your advantage if you know a little of the science that goes with the job we do next time V.O.S.A. pull you up tell them all the information that i have put here have done it a few times and all V.O.S.A. said was not everyone is as well educated as you i am not i just read a lot hope some of this information helps you out there doing a thankless job for the totally ungreatfull squad.
Could tell you how i only got a 25 pound fine for being 41 tons when it was 38 max on a ministrey weighbridge it went to court and that was all they could fine me all comes down to reading the C.P.C. ( the transport manager has to know ).
ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safe … nes_en.pdf
Wait 'till we have to learn the above as part of our dCPC!! 
nick2008:
weeto:
I am new to all this strapping malarky with curtain siders, well not completely, as in did curtainsiders years ago, at the moment I am pulling euro liners, I can understand loading for export, it needs strapping, but when its only locals does the timbers between the roof supports count as load restraints or does every thing still need strapping? well I would strap the rear pallets.
I had one on the other day and was told it was a reinforced curain, but according to info from VOSA, the load still needed fully strapping.
Done double deckers on pallet network, and nothing was ever strapped>
All I can say is, I will be glad to get back to doing containers, as curtainsiders seem to be far to much work for my liking these days!The curtain is just that a curtain , its purpose is to protect the load from the elements and that’s all. The curtain wont stop the load moving which can still cause the vehicle to become unstable.
Think of it this way …Load on a flat bed moves ==== it slides off the bed and drops on the floor
Load on a curtain moves ==== causes the trailer to move and becomes unstable…
Load id secured to trailer ==== load don’t move NO PROBLEM
So, is there anything you could load into a curtainsider without it needing to be strapped?
Also the question about the timbers between the uprights, if the load is upto the timbers does it need strapping?