VOSA busy yesterday!

Roymondo:
Most of S68 of the 1988 Act has been amended by later enactments and Statutory Instruments.

Yes thats true, but only ammended as far as to add “examiners” to be able to send for test. And the change the requirement of “only a constable in uniform”. Otherwise its still intact and current. And indeed DVSA do rely on the provisions of S67 of the 1988 Act for their stopping powers.

Roymondo:
I’m not sure what aspect of the DVSA stopping/examining/checking/testing activities you think to be unlawful?

I’ll explain in another post what “i think”, and i’m sure if i get anything wrong you (or anyone else) can correct me. I’ll welcome any corrections or even being told its just plain wrong !!! :laughing:

my normal once the follow me has been followed,is stop at weighbridge.watch cabbage 1 drive off out again…cabbage 2 says.drive over scales then wait in inspection area…il get left for 5 or 10 mins while they watch me on cam to see if im hiding the wire,magnet,2nd driver card,6 logbooks or whatever else they think il be up to( asif)…cabbage 3 comes over for a hello driver,gives a look at whatever docs we want to look at today…we noticed you jumped up onto the catwalk and connected your abs lead there driver.byebye for now, …go over and have a chat with whatever other irish plate driver is in getting the same treatment while cabbage4 has a look and a poke,shoogle,hammer etc.assuming theres nothing to be crucified for,then its byebye cabbage 4…wait for cabbage 3 to come back with my prohibition for the abs lead,followed by the lifting of said prohibition as its now plugged in again. then hopefully after that its byebye driver. i just prefer to run with the lead out as it throws them a bone to justify their existance,plus no biggy for me,then hopefully they wont dig too hard at anything else.some days there looking for tacho infringments,other days its just over the scales,and sometimes its the full pudding. if theyre only allowed to have you inspected once your stopped,then theyve stopped you to check your cards,and then once your stopped,its over there please to get inspected,so whats the diff? if you dont stop,then its like a murder enquirey once they come after you…best to slow down beforehand and be riding 2 abreast with some Tosco type if theres not another paddy with you if you know there waiting in front of you,as you cant get dragged out of the middle lane so easily.

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dieseldog999:
. i just prefer to run with the lead out as it throws them a bone to justify their existance,plus no biggy for me,then hopefully they wont dig too hard at anything else…

Ive seen some rubbish written on here but that takes the biscuit.

As for the power to stop you out was all over the press when the law was changed. Not just transport press either. If they were overreaching their powers I would have expected to see lots of court cases challenging fines on the basis that they were stopped unlawfully

switchlogic:
As for the power to stop you out was all over the press when the law was changed. Not just transport press either. If they were overreaching their powers I would have expected to see lots of court cases challenging fines on the basis that they were stopped unlawfully

If they where overreaching thier powers ? Lets see just what they been doing and how the law has to play catch up with them…
As you say it was all over the press when they got the powers to stop, that was only about two years ago ? So how have they been using Battenburg cars dragging HGV’s into checkpoints since about, what, 2007 or something ? When they had no power to stop ? How can that happen ?
Now if you ask any sane person what is the purpose of the VOSA Battenburg cars they would tell you they are there to stop and check HGV’s ? The Laws pretty clear, the Road Traffic Act section 67 allows an officer to test a vehicle on the road. Section 68 deals with HGV’s, or “Goods Vehicles” as they are known. That allows an officer to require you to take the vehicle to a place where it can be suitably inspected. There is a proviso in there, and that is you need to be stationary on a road (i.e parked ) before he can send you for an inspection. And lets be clear, there is no way section 67 can apply to a HGV as not only can it not be tested on a road, but there is very clear provision in section 68 to deal with inspecting HGV’s.

But you don’t have to take my word for it, you can get it from the horses mouth. When asked what was the purpose of the Battenburg cars, VOSA replied…"

To stop vehicles for inspection under section 67 of the Road Traffic Act."

Source

But me and you both know, the reality is they where directing HGV’s to a suitable place for inspection as per Section 68.
A further look at their Modus Operandi is provided by our own ex VOSA bod here…

In England and Wales VOSA may stop (any) vehicle for the purposes of carrying out a Construction and Use check. The ‘stopping’ must be performed by an accredited officer. It is an offence not to stop. The other checks; overload (which is a glorified C&U check anyway), drivers hours, O-licence etc etc come on the back of the C&U check.
The proposal is that VOSA throughout the UK get the power to stop vehicles for reasons other than C&U checks as the primary reason. The power, if granted, is no greater than that the Police currently have. The proposed law change also tidies up the process whereby an accredited officer would be able to function throughout the country as opposed to the current situation where they have to be accredited in each individual county.

Source

Its quite clear to me that their intention is to get the HGV into a test area, give it a HGV inspection using the ruse of a S67 stop, when they really are performing a s68 inspection.

Even though they now have to power to stop you for various reasons, to inspect certain documentation etc…the law is still very clear. They can only require a Stationary goods vehicle to proceed for Inspection. Currently thats not happening.

It was way over two years ago, more like 6 or 7. To be honest I just skimmed over that, I’ve no interest in starting an argument with them about whether they stopped me lawfully our not so I’ve no great interest in the details of it. Are you bored? You seem to have a bee in your bonnet over something that doesn’t seem to affect you!

Perhaps I am a little simple but surely if DVSA have the power to stop you for a document/weight inspection you will then be stationary and legally available for a vehicle inspection.In my experience a weight and documentation check normally precede a vehicle inspection.

I dare say that they are not legally allowed to stop you for a vehicle inspection only but how often does this happen and as others have said it does not usually pay to get stroppy with the people that have the power to make life difficult for you and your employer.

switchlogic:
It was way over two years ago, more like 6 or 7. To be honest I just skimmed over that, I’ve no interest in starting an argument with them about whether they stopped me lawfully our not so I’ve no great interest in the details of it. Are you bored? You seem to have a bee in your bonnet over something that doesn’t seem to affect you!

Yeah bored!!! But the info might come in handy for someone who doesn’t want to follow them for an inspection they don’t want to have :laughing:

matamoros:
Perhaps I am a little simple but surely if DVSA have the power to stop you for a document/weight inspection you will then be stationary and legally available for a vehicle inspection.In my experience a weight and documentation check normally precede a vehicle inspection.

I dare say that they are not legally allowed to stop you for a vehicle inspection only but how often does this happen and as others have said it does not usually pay to get stroppy with the people that have the power to make life difficult for you and your employer.

Not sure i ever seen them actually excersise their power to stop. Not even sure if they can use it on a Motorway ? As far as i’m aware they have no powers to manage live traffic on a Motorway, unlike say a Traffic Officer who does.

switchlogic:
It was way over two years ago, more like 6 or 7. To be honest I just skimmed over that, I’ve no interest in starting an argument with them about whether they stopped me lawfully our not so I’ve no great interest in the details of it. Are you bored? You seem to have a bee in your bonnet over something that doesn’t seem to affect you!

I finished driving 12 years ago but was pulled while mobile off the M6 into Stafford services when I was on eight wheelers which would have been pre 1996. Also got pulled over and inspected on the hard shoulder of the M1 between junctions 37 and 36, dangerous for the Inspector in my opinion. :confused:

Pete.

Mike-C:

matamoros:
Perhaps I am a little simple but surely if DVSA have the power to stop you for a document/weight inspection you will then be stationary and legally available for a vehicle inspection.In my experience a weight and documentation check normally precede a vehicle inspection.

I dare say that they are not legally allowed to stop you for a vehicle inspection only but how often does this happen and as others have said it does not usually pay to get stroppy with the people that have the power to make life difficult for you and your employer.

Not sure i ever seen them actually excersise their power to stop. Not even sure if they can use it on a Motorway ? As far as i’m aware they have no powers to manage live traffic on a Motorway, unlike say a Traffic Officer who does.

Not sure what you are trying to prove by this thread, the government website says DVSA have the power to stop for vehicle checks as well as other things, thats good enough for me and probably 99.9% of other drivers.

I find it difficult to believe that you have never seen a DVSA operator use the power to stop,(never been directed into a lay bye for checks?) by that I am including the ‘follow me’ sign which whilst not technically a stop is effectively the same thing. Regarding motorways I would imagine the ‘follow me’ sign is used in the interests of safety regardless of whether they have the power to bring a vehicle to a halt on the motorway. You may be correct in saying that DVSA operatives do not have the power to ’ manage live traffic’ but as far as I am concerned they certainly have the power to pull you off a motorway for whatever checks regarding the operation of a vehicle they wish.

Mike-C:

switchlogic:
It was way over two years ago, more like 6 or 7. To be honest I just skimmed over that, I’ve no interest in starting an argument with them about whether they stopped me lawfully our not so I’ve no great interest in the details of it. Are you bored? You seem to have a bee in your bonnet over something that doesn’t seem to affect you!

Yeah bored!!! But the info might come in handy for someone who doesn’t want to follow them for an inspection they don’t want to have :laughing:

Lots have tried that, they normally end up following the police in not long after. Followed by the fiber tooth comb treatment!

Mike-C:

switchlogic:
As for the power to stop you out was all over the press when the law was changed. Not just transport press either. If they were overreaching their powers I would have expected to see lots of court cases challenging fines on the basis that they were stopped unlawfully

If they where overreaching thier powers ? Lets see just what they been doing and how the law has to play catch up with them…
As you say it was all over the press when they got the powers to stop, that was only about two years ago ? So how have they been using Battenburg cars dragging HGV’s into checkpoints since about, what, 2007 or something ? When they had no power to stop ? How can that happen ?
Now if you ask any sane person what is the purpose of the VOSA Battenburg cars they would tell you they are there to stop and check HGV’s ? The Laws pretty clear, the Road Traffic Act section 67 allows an officer to test a vehicle on the road. Section 68 deals with HGV’s, or “Goods Vehicles” as they are known. That allows an officer to require you to take the vehicle to a place where it can be suitably inspected. There is a proviso in there, and that is you need to be stationary on a road (i.e parked ) before he can send you for an inspection. And lets be clear, there is no way section 67 can apply to a HGV as not only can it not be tested on a road, but there is very clear provision in section 68 to deal with inspecting HGV’s.

But you don’t have to take my word for it, you can get it from the horses mouth. When asked what was the purpose of the Battenburg cars, VOSA replied…"

To stop vehicles for inspection under section 67 of the Road Traffic Act."

Source

But me and you both know, the reality is they where directing HGV’s to a suitable place for inspection as per Section 68.
A further look at their Modus Operandi is provided by our own ex VOSA bod here…

In England and Wales VOSA may stop (any) vehicle for the purposes of carrying out a Construction and Use check. The ‘stopping’ must be performed by an accredited officer. It is an offence not to stop. The other checks; overload (which is a glorified C&U check anyway), drivers hours, O-licence etc etc come on the back of the C&U check.
The proposal is that VOSA throughout the UK get the power to stop vehicles for reasons other than C&U checks as the primary reason. The power, if granted, is no greater than that the Police currently have. The proposed law change also tidies up the process whereby an accredited officer would be able to function throughout the country as opposed to the current situation where they have to be accredited in each individual county.

Source

Its quite clear to me that their intention is to get the HGV into a test area, give it a HGV inspection using the ruse of a S67 stop, when they really are performing a s68 inspection.

Even though they now have to power to stop you for various reasons, to inspect certain documentation etc…the law is still very clear. They can only require a Stationary goods vehicle to proceed for Inspection. Currently thats not happening.

You get brought in on a S67, whilst you are stopped they then have the right to start the exercise of S68.
If your all above board whats the problem?

B1 GGK:
You get brought in on a S67, whilst you are stopped they then have the right to start the exercise of S68.

You can defer a S67 Inspection. Give them the gaffers details so they can book a test with him. Then drive off.

B1 GGK:
If your all above board whats the problem?

In a hurry with no time to waste in a checkpoint ?

switchlogic:

Mike-C:

switchlogic:
It was way over two years ago, more like 6 or 7. To be honest I just skimmed over that, I’ve no interest in starting an argument with them about whether they stopped me lawfully our not so I’ve no great interest in the details of it. Are you bored? You seem to have a bee in your bonnet over something that doesn’t seem to affect you!

Yeah bored!!! But the info might come in handy for someone who doesn’t want to follow them for an inspection they don’t want to have :laughing:

Lots have tried that, they normally end up following the police in not long after. Followed by the fiber tooth comb treatment!

Just stop when the flashing lights come on and see if they stop and come back to you ? Can’t do you for not stopping if you stopped ? I’m not actually suggesting you personally do that, i’m just suggesting its an option :smiley:

matamoros:
Not sure what you are trying to prove by this thread, the government website says DVSA have the power to stop for vehicle checks as well as other things, thats good enough for me and probably 99.9% of other drivers.

I’m just questioning what it is they are doing. If you’re happy with what they’re doing then just follow them, thats fine.

Whilst your research is undoubtedly more in depth than mine (which amounts to zero :smiley: ) Mike, I don’t particularly have a problem with what you are saying and agree with you that any official overstepping his/her remit is a cause for concern to us all, I can’t help but think how many times we all agree that the “attitude test” is probably the single most important part of any roadside tug.

To that end I’d suggest that it’d take a sumpremely confident/foolhardy driver to kick off about it.

Just my feelings.

the maoster:
Whilst your research is undoubtedly more in depth than mine (which amounts to zero :smiley: ) Mike, I don’t particularly have a problem with what you are saying and agree with you that any official overstepping his/her remit is a cause for concern to us all, I can’t help but think how many times we all agree that the “attitude test” is probably the single most important part of any roadside tug.

To that end I’d suggest that it’d take a sumpremely confident/foolhardy driver to kick off about it.

Just my feelings.

I think it opens up some great possibilities, especially for Trucks from onther countries to know they could defer a test :laughing:

Well as always I’m completely behind OTHERS trying it first! :wink: