WHERE IS C&U/RTA GOD HOBBS WHEN YOU NEED HIM? 
Wheel Nut:
Have a look at your plating certificate. I think it hasAxle 1 - 8100
Axle 2 -11500
Axle 3
Axle 4It doesnât seem to have any more room for the other 3 axles on the trailer
Are you sure the plating certificate doesnât say Train Weight - 44Tonne
Rob the padlock was a joke to mislead
4x2 or 6x2 rigids are designed and taxed at the rate for the axle weights, a 4x2 or 6x2 tractor unit is taxed at 40,000 or 44,000Kg respectively (apart from some that alter them for taxation purposes)
if you was to get stopped by the police within a weight restriction, they would act upon what weight the vehicle is taxed at, irrelevant as to whether the vehicle is empty, loaded has or has not got a trailer
HOBBS IS IN THE BUILDING!!! 
shuttlespanker:
if you was to get stopped by the police within a weight restriction, they would act upon what weight the vehicle is taxed at, irrelevant as to whether the vehicle is empty, loaded has or has not got a trailer
So on the occasional times where the police do have a purge on Swarkestone Bridge, they are looking for the Polish or Dutch guys tax disc?
Some signs already posted in the âother postâ
I donât see any mention of taxation class or road fund licence checks, the axle configuration and the plating certificate that are important, chuck us your popcorn Rob
Most folks wouldnât know the difference between a DAF LF 45 if it parked on their foot. The same design vehicle ranges from 7.5 to 12 tonne MGW
Wheel Nut:
Some signs already posted in the âother postâ
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I donât see any mention of taxation class or road fund licence checks, the axle configuration and the plating certificate that are important, chuck us your popcorn Rob
Most folks wouldnât know the difference between a DAF LF 45 if it parked on their foot. The same design vehicle ranges from 7.5 to 12 tonne MGW
Thats some nice signage work there , thanks for posting it has cleared a lot up in my mind.
@ Malc, itâs still not proof that youâre right. Itâs only your opinion. I still think Rob is right personally, and that if you argued your point in court you would lose.
Rob K:
@ Malc, itâs still not proof that youâre right. Itâs only your opinion. I still think Rob is right personally, and that if you argued your point in court you would lose.
It isnât just my opinion, it is backed up by the documents and pictures taken from a highway code and a separate gov.org website.
To clarify
Rob is arguing it is to do with the Vehicle Taxation Class. I am saying it is about the VTG6 VTG8 Ministry Plate and their variations. VGT6A, 8T etc
This is the information closer to home, from the North Yorkshire County Council Website.
Weight limits are a form of Traffic Regulation Order, mostly introduced to protect parts of the highway network such as weak bridges. The signs associated with the weight limit indicate the maximum gross vehicle weight of vehicles permitted to use the bridge to which the weight limit applies.
They can also be introduced for environmental reasons. Such restrictions generally require exemptions allowing access for loading and unloading within the area covered by the restriction. These exemptions make these types of restrictions relatively difficult to enforce.
Weight limits are indicated on site by the use of traffic signs that must comply with the requirements of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002. Enforcement of weight limits in North Yorkshire is the responsibility of North Yorkshire Police. In areas where there are concerns that weight restrictions are being ignored, Trading standards and planning services officers also carry out enforcement work.
Further information about County Council policy relating to weight limits can be obtained from the Traffic Management & Road Safety Manager, Traffic Management & Road Safety Group on telephone number 0845 8 72 73 74
And this is the clip of the regulation I highlighted in Blue.
Thatâs nice dear, but you havenât actually added anything to your argument that isnât already known. We all know what MGWs are. The current discussion is what - specifically - MGW refers to. Is it taxed weight, plated weight, train weight or just physical vehicle weight. I think one of the resident VOSA bods need to clarify.
Passage 72 of wheel nuts weight limit attachment says the signage has change in line with a raise in permitted weights. Surely the permitted weight of a solo tractor unit weighing 8 tonnes, is 44 tonnes
OVLOV JAY:
Passage 72 of wheel nuts weight limit attachment says the signage has change in line with a raise in permitted weights. Surely the permitted weight of a solo tractor unit weighing 8 tonnes, is 44 tonnes
That is what I am saying, a 3 axle tractor unit cannot carry 44 tonne, it is no different to a 3 axle rigid when solo.
Until someone can put up a photo of an artic unit plating certificate will it become clear. Muckles suggested his unit plate said what I am trying to say
In each of Daveâs Arrows, it points to the MGW Maximum Gross Weight like on my sign.
The other weights shown are Gross Train Weight or Gross Combination Weight
The last one is Design Weight.
The thing is on every one of the plating certificates and the VTG10 above only has space for 4 axles, not 5 or 6 which it would need for 31, 41 or 44 tonne operation.
The VTG10 is the DFT form for notifiable alteration on any vehicle whether that be Rigid Artic Unit or Trailer
As a last ditch attempt to persuade you all, why does this picture exist and why not depict a 3 axle lorry?
Wheel Nut:
[As a last ditch attempt to persuade you all,
Not all, my view (for what itâs worth 
)is the same as yours.
mrpj:
Wheel Nut:
[As a last ditch attempt to persuade you all,Not all, my view (for what itâs worth
I have just had a thought. A car transporter is built on a standard tractor unit which also happens to pull a drawbar trailer too, that would really confuse the nimby spotters 
I reckon if you took the body off and dropped the trailer it would be a solo unit again!
Malc, the car transporter that you have shown in your pic would be classed as a wagon and drag, not a full artic
one of my ex drivers could drive the combination shown in your picture, but he could not drive a full tractor unit/trailer combination
someone i know personally drove his tractor unit through a 7 1/2 weight limit whilst taking it in for service, he was stopped by the police and questioned as he should not have been in that area, the driver explained that then unit on its own weighed less than the signed limit, but the police told him it is what the vehicle is taxed at
the taxation class of that particular tractor unit was for 44,000Kg, so, even though he was unit only, he was still classed as 44 tonne
shuttlespanker:
someone i know personally drove his tractor unit through a 7 1/2 weight limit whilst taking it in for service, he was stopped by the police and questioned as he should not have been in that area, the driver explained that then unit on its own weighed less than the signed limit, but the police told him it is what the vehicle is taxed at
Iâm not sure how the law stand, but I wouldnât take a policemans word on anything about transport law. Especially when it has something to do with HGVâs
surprised that so many managed to pass their tests, obviousley examiners are asking the wrong questions.
as a professional driver you are paid to know these answers already.
del949:
surprised that so many managed to pass their tests, obviousley examiners are asking the wrong questions.
as a professional driver you are paid to know these answers already.
Go on then tell us the answer?
del949:
surprised that so many managed to pass their tests, obviousley examiners are asking the wrong questions.
as a professional driver you are paid to know these answers already.
Do you require any assistance getting down from that horse, Del?
as an EX driver I donât need to know the answer.!
but when driving I did knowâŚMGVW = the permitted max weight of vehicle. The law in this regard treats vehicles as always fully loaded.
If the MGVW is under the weight restriction you are clear to cross the bridge etc.
If you are driving an empty 18 tonner , then it is an 18 MGVW vehicle regardless of actual weight.
If the sign says 18 t MGW , then it means that taking an empty 18 t or a 4x2 tractor over is legal because neither are over 18 ton MGW, but if the sign says 7.5 tons then neither can cross as they are both over 7.5 tons MGVW , regardless of their actual weight
An artic tractor unit is (assuming 4x2) 18 MGVW,( the detached trailer is not part of the vehicle) even though the actual weight is around 7 tonnes.
The MGW of the unit + trailer is shown as Max Train Weight, which when coupled up becomes the MGVW. i.e. 32, 38 tons etc. depending on axle configuration etc
Someone further up the thread also claimed that you can enter a 7.5 tonne weight limit if you are in excess of the limit providing you can show a need to. Wrong. you can only do this if the limit is qualified by âexcept for accessâ.
Still no further ahead then. Everyone just posting opinion as fact with nothing to actually back any of it up. I do tend to side with Malcâs theory now though, especially if the plate on a tractor unit shows the GVW for the tractor unit only, which is probably the case considering the separate MTW entry in the box directly below it.