youtu.be/SSPCg43Rkrs
@ 02.35 starts
personally i wouldnt even attempt to make that turn unless i knew that straight ahead was dead clear the bmw did clear but the cam car and traffic all had priority as you needed there part of the road if you stood dead in the middle with left indicator cars behind might overtake you plus when turning left the car from that side would probably drive forward when green
I would abandon the turn but how in the world did the car behind the truck collide deserve to have no license forever
Lorry was a bit too hasty, that kind of turn has to be done nice and slowly & yes of course has to give way to incoming traffic if he needs to cross the centre line.
TruckDriverBen:
https://youtu.be/SSPCg43Rkrs
@ 02.35 starts
personally i wouldnt even attempt to make that turn unless i knew that straight ahead was dead clear the bmw did clear but the cam car and traffic all had priority as you needed there part of the road if you stood dead in the middle with left indicator cars behind might overtake you plus when turning left the car from that side would probably drive forward when green
I would abandon the turn but how in the world did the car behind the truck collide deserve to have no license forever
Only watched it once, so if I’ve misread it or missed summet, there you go.
I ain’t saying he did everything right, because he didn’t …but you say you wouldn’t even attempt it? 
He will.have seen the approaching white car was turning left, so that gave him time to position himself before the ‘camera car’ got there…not ideal but you know as well as I do that you can sit there until your arse hole heals up before anybody will wait or give way to you.
I would have maybe given a couple of flashes on my right indicator, depending on how sharp the left turn was to ‘warn’ oncoming traffic (yeh I know they have right of way over me,.and that I should wait, but this is real world)
As for the actual left turn manoeuvre…, tbf he did indicate left, presumably in good time…, but.again you know some ■■■■ will always either not see it, or not understand why he was maneuvering right whilst displaying a left indicator.
After saying that he did cut in a bit fast making no allowance for said ■■■■ continuing to come up on his inside. 
So to sum up…
Not enough care taken by truck driver,.zero care taken by undertaking car, (which is very apt turn of phrase as that is a good way of assuring service from an undertaker. 
)
The DNOTV sign is compulsory on vehicles over 7.5 metres, doesn’t stop the ■■■■■■■■■■ but it places them clearly in the wrong.
I don’t see why you wouldn’t attempt to turn left there. I’ve been round tight corners with an artic and had a silly cow in a mini try to race me round the corner. You can check mirrors, but at some point you have to look where you’re going too. Whatever the rights and wrongs of what the artic driver did, the moron in the car shouldn’t have gone where they did.
If this is a regular run then if at all possible I would be planning my route so I was coming up the hill thus giving me more room and a better view into the junction and also be able to block those behind me better by straddling the lanes, even if I came in down the hill I certainly wouldn’t be swan necking out like that, very dangerous. This is the location google.co.uk/maps/place/53% … 4d-1.84244
Ah, the days of doing a left turn across (IIRC) four lanes of traffic up to The Ramp lorry park in London - oh what fun !
robroy:
Pennineman:
Ah, the days of doing a left turn across (IIRC) four lanes of traffic up to The Ramp lorry park in London - oh what fun !
Wow ! The Ramp at Bishopgate,.I remember it well.
The days when you could park in London, and actually enjoy the place.
Worse in a rigid which is what I was on as a young lad, 
…used to be my favourite parking place.
Across the road to the Greek cafe for a cracking meal, meet up with a couple of mates, get changed and head for town for a [zb] good night out.
Those were the days 
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Forgot all about the Greek cafe!
The big yellow NCP sign at the entrance - all gone now 
Pennineman:
robroy:
Pennineman:
Ah, the days of doing a left turn across (IIRC) four lanes of traffic up to The Ramp lorry park in London - oh what fun !
Wow ! The Ramp at Bishopgate,.I remember it well.
The days when you could park in London, and actually enjoy the place.
Worse in a rigid which is what I was on as a young lad, …used to be my favourite parking place.
Across the road to the Greek cafe for a cracking meal, meet up with a couple of mates, get changed and head for town for a [zb] good night out.
Those were the days .
Forgot all about the Greek cafe!
The big yellow NCP sign at the entrance - all gone now
My claim to fame at The Ramp,.was I once blocked the road up there outside where you paid.
It was a Fiat 190/30 with a ratchet handbrake which seized on.
There was a queue of trucks right around the bottom road, until my call out arrived and got me moving, I was there about 2 hours, and got a bit of stick,.some friendly some down right hostile.
I walked into the pub to be met with a big loud cheer from the guys that were kept waiting …or was it a jeer.
Bit of a long shot mate I know, , but going by your username from that area, you didn’t also drive a Fiat, around 1980., as an owner driver, a red one with ‘Pendle street flyer’ painted on the front, name of Tony? I think it was.?
If so I think we’ve met a few times over a few pints watching strippers.
robroy:
Pennineman:
robroy:
Pennineman:
Ah, the days of doing a left turn across (IIRC) four lanes of traffic up to The Ramp lorry park in London - oh what fun !
Wow ! The Ramp at Bishopgate,.I remember it well.
The days when you could park in London, and actually enjoy the place.
Worse in a rigid which is what I was on as a young lad, …used to be my favourite parking place.
Across the road to the Greek cafe for a cracking meal, meet up with a couple of mates, get changed and head for town for a [zb] good night out.
Those were the days .
Forgot all about the Greek cafe!
The big yellow NCP sign at the entrance - all gone now
My claim to fame at The Ramp,.was I once blocked the road up there outside where you paid.
It was a Fiat 190/30 with a ratchet handbrake which seized on.
There was a queue of trucks right around the bottom road, until my call out arrived and got me moving, I was there about 2 hours, and got a bit of stick,.some friendly some down right hostile.
I walked into the pub to be met with a big loud cheer from the guys that were kept waiting …or was it a jeer.
Bit of a long shot mate I know, , but going by your username from that area, you didn’t also drive a Fiat, around 1980., as an owner driver, a red one with ‘Pendle street flyer’ painted on the front, name of Tony? I think it was.?
If so I think we’ve met a few times over a few pints watching strippers.
Sorry not me but, our paths might of crossed when I worked here…
Yep, more than likely as I used to back load blocks out of your place at Glossop regularly, when I pulled trailers for Cheri Foam…no doubt you will have been there as I remember those trucks loading in there.
drover:
Lorry was a bit too hasty, that kind of turn has to be done nice and slowly & yes of course has to give way to incoming traffic if he needs to cross the centre line.
+1.
That type of manoeouvre needs to be broken down into clear seperate operations stopping between each one.Stop then move to wrong side of the road then stop again before starting the turn.Also seemed to leave it late to pull out wide then started the turn too early instead of going further past the junction on the wrong side of the road and turning the unit tighter.All of which would have provided time for everyone to understand the situation and space and maximum view in mirrors.
robroy:
Yep, more than likely as I used to back load blocks out of your place at Glossop regularly, when I pulled trailers for Cheri Foam…no doubt you will have been there as I remember those trucks loading in there.
I was a ‘Door Monkey’ as us Loaders were known before I got my Class 1 so there is a very good chance that I have loaded your trailer (with those wooden trucks that used to take your ankle out 
) at some moment in time !
Pennineman:
robroy:
Yep, more than likely as I used to back load blocks out of your place at Glossop regularly, when I pulled trailers for Cheri Foam…no doubt you will have been there as I remember those trucks loading in there.
I was a ‘Door Monkey’ as us Loaders were known before I got my Class 1 so there is a very good chance that I have loaded your trailer (with those wooden trucks that used to take your ankle out ) at some moment in time !
I remember the loader foreman in the white coat…Paul or Ian?..his brother was a loader.
I used to know a driver there with ginger hair, can’t recall his name.
I was once loading blocks by hand, bloody massive things the height of the trailer, I pulled one and was left with a clump of foam in each hand, I fell off the back of the trailer and by more luck than management did a back somersault and landed on my feet.which looked really impressive and spectacular, .still with the lumps of foam in ny hands.
The lad said…‘‘That was impressive’ I said ’ Aye my Para training came in handy there’’ (nearest I came to being a para btw was watching Alan Ladd in ‘The Red Devils’ film )
The guy believed me, so I didn’t make him any wiser …a bit of ‘stolen valour’ but it was harmless 
Many a night out in Glossop, couple of pints,.and back to Draka where I was parked, with some fish and chips.
The guy in the white coat was Ian, later went on to be TM, the ginger haired guy was Gary. Paul was the works managers son.
Yes took many a clump of foam out of a block, and feet going through the top of them, as for falling off trailers, we were past masters of that
You built up a charge of static electricity handling these blocks and, the inevitable happened when you touched the bare metal inside the trailer ! 
