Does anyone know if it is possible to get a used unit with full R and M? When I went for the iveco one of the reasons was that I didn’t want the hassle of dealing with the R and M myself.
However I got chatting to a fellow sub contractor who is upgrading his vehicle to a used magnum which he hopes will be on full R and M.
Silverback
3 Feathers Haulage
As far as I know you can put an R&M on anything, just depends on age of truck and mileage as to what they’ll charge per month.
So can you just get an R and M package from a dealer? Or is there specific companies that do it?
Silverback
3 Feathers Haulage
I believe Scania limit second hand R & M packags to 7 years from when the vehicle was first registered. A friend was looking at second hand units and had to get something only 2 years old to get the 5 years R & M that he wanted
jdc:
I believe Scania limit second hand R & M packags to 7 years from when the vehicle was first registered. A friend was looking at second hand units and had to get something only 2 years old to get the 5 years R & M that he wanted
I think they wiil extend beyond 7 years as a mate of mine has a 164 thats 8 yrs old & has been on full R+M from new, I’m told he’s paying something stupid like £700+ pcm!!! I don’t know how he does it.
Ross.
When I bought my Merc this time last year the truck was 3 years old I got a full r n m from mercades direct for 550 a month for four years I no some people say its high but when modern trucks go wrong they tend to be expensive so I’m more than happy paying this figure peace of mind
We had 10 year old Scanias on R&M although it was noticeable that when then they started paying for things, more things got repaired or adjusted than simply replaced as they were when we were footing the bill.
8wheels:
We had 10 year old Scanias on R&M although it was noticeable that when then they started paying for things, more things got repaired or adjusted than simply replaced as they were when we were footing the bill.
Yeah it’s horses for courses, they will prevent any problems occurring if possible by preventative maintenance, normally they will just advise of possible problem, there is a lot to weigh up but as has been said, when modern wagons go wrong the bills can be astronomical.
brados:
when modern wagons go wrong the bills can be astronomical.
But in my opinion they also tend to go wrong much less often than the previous generation of trucks, and more often than not the only problems you experience are minor niggles. Our Volvo’s and Merc’s rarely if ever have a fitter near them, and even the MAN’s have been largely trouble free and any problems we have experienced with any modern trucks have tended to be things like sensors or minor wiring faults which are cheap and easy to repair.
I will concede that on the very rare occasions a modern driveline has problems it can be a wallet-busting affair, but I’ll happily take a big blow-up once every 5 years if it saves the hassle of constant ongoing mechanical repairs that we were used to doing 15 years ago.
This does raise an interesting debate as the misconception of modern trucks giving more trouble than older ones is down to the lack of knowledge about how modern trucks actually operate IMHO. In years gone by when a truck wasn’t running right or had a mechanical problem you took it to ‘old Jimmy’ who would use a shifting spanner to adjust something. Modern trucks however need someone with diagnsotics tools AND knowledge to provide a good level of service, something that the older generation simply don’t understand and never will. You only have to look at some of the threads on here where the old-hands belittle anything that is ‘modern’ or that they didn’t think about back in the day (remapping, aerodynamics, modern tyres, automated manual gearboxes - numerous threads on all manner of subjects) where certain memebers show time and again just how out of touch they actually are.
Me, I’m of the computer generation - give me a modern common rail engine and associated electronic systems any day of the week. Between a laptop, decent multimeter, an oscilloscope, some pressure gauges and a flow meter I can quite confidently claim to be able to diagnose anything.
A manual pump and old-school injectors however - I wouldn’t know one end of it from the other, and probably couldn’t set up the pump timing if my life depended on it! That’s when ‘old Jimmy’ earns his keep. 
Gogan:
This does raise an interesting debate as the misconception of modern trucks giving more trouble than older ones is down to the lack of knowledge about how modern trucks actually operate IMHO. In years gone by when a truck wasn’t running right or had a mechanical problem you took it to ‘old Jimmy’ who would use a shifting spanner to adjust something. Modern trucks however need someone with diagnsotics tools AND knowledge to provide a good level of service, something that the older generation simply don’t understand and never will. You only have to look at some of the threads on here where the old-hands belittle anything that is ‘modern’ or that they didn’t think about back in the day (remapping, aerodynamics, modern tyres, automated manual gearboxes - numerous threads on all manner of subjects) where certain memebers show time and again just how out of touch they actually are.
Gogan, I make no appology for being, & am quite happy to pronounce myself “old school” at the age of 55!! But to describe everyone who doesn’t like modern high tech trucks as “Jimmy with a shifting spanner” is just as plain wrong as suggesting none of us understand remapping & areodynamics etc, I have a very modern, extensive & up to date tool kit which includes two ‘shifters’ & a multi meter.
We’ve sent trucks to a local main dealer for a ‘wiz kid’ to plug his Xbox into to tell us that there were no faults recorded on a truck that was so far down on power that it dropped 3 gears to get out of the Mersey Tunnel empty!! This 22 year old bloke had virtually no idea of the inner workings of an internal combustion engine, in other words, if it wasn’t on his lap top screen, there was nothing wrong!!
Automated manual gearbox’s, do you really think that they are the ‘way forward’■■ The only one I’ve driven that behaves anything like I’d want is our 05 Volvo ishift, we also have ZF auto’s in both 12 & 16 speed and both are rubbish, we maintain some Scania 3 pedal auto’s and they’re no better than the ZF though I’m told the ‘2 pedal’ version is much better. To me these box’s are simply more to go wrong, & go wrong in a very expensive way so enormous pain (when they go wrong) against virtually no gain when they dont.
Ross.
To put my 2pence worth in I haven’t a bloody clue about computers or mechanics! That’s why I lease new with full R and M.
I did fill the washer bottle the other day, I was very proud of myself!
Silverback
3 Feathers Haulage
bigr250:
Gogan, I make no appology for being, & am quite happy to pronounce myself “old school” at the age of 55!! But to describe everyone who doesn’t like modern high tech trucks as “Jimmy with a shifting spanner” is just as plain wrong as suggesting none of us understand remapping & areodynamics etc, I have a very modern, extensive & up to date tool kit which includes two ‘shifters’ & a multi meter.
Sorry Ross, I did not mean to cause offence to anyone. However, I do think my generalisation (or stereotype if you want to be politically incorrect) is broadly fair, as I think it would apply to the vast majority of your generation. I do accept there are exceptions however.
bigr250:
We’ve sent trucks to a local main dealer for a ‘wiz kid’ to plug his Xbox into to tell us that there were no faults recorded on a truck that was so far down on power that it dropped 3 gears to get out of the Mersey Tunnel empty!! This 22 year old bloke had virtually no idea of the inner workings of an internal combustion engine, in other words, if it wasn’t on his lap top screen, there was nothing wrong!!
The “wiz kid” with the gelled hair is just as ignorant as Jimmy and his shifting spanner. Main dealers are full of these monkeys whose only diagnostic skills involve reading fault codes from a laptop, but that is only a tiny part of the diagnostic process. The various control systems are far more complex than the trucks monitoring systems (which are largely based on hardware polling and are purely reactive to parameter values) can ever hope to cover. You need to have a genuine knowledge of electronics in order to perfrom a decent diagnosis, and an ability to both use and interpret an ocilloscope is a farly rigid requirement in order to do the job properly. Sadly that is missing from the average delaer-trained “technician”, who can’t really claim to be able to use a laptop any more than he can a torque wrench!
bigr250:
Automated manual gearbox’s, do you really think that they are the ‘way forward’■■ The only one I’ve driven that behaves anything like I’d want is our 05 Volvo ishift, we also have ZF auto’s in both 12 & 16 speed and both are rubbish, we maintain some Scania 3 pedal auto’s and they’re no better than the ZF though I’m told the ‘2 pedal’ version is much better. To me these box’s are simply more to go wrong, & go wrong in a very expensive way so enormous pain (when they go wrong) against virtually no gain when they dont.
Yes, I genuinely do believe they are the way forward. I think your opinion that the boxes provide no gain is clearly based on your viewpoint as a driver and/or mechanic. As an operator, they have numerous advantages - clutch life is doubled (or more), the box is mechanically simpler (no synchros to fail), it is lighter as a result, will last longer between overhauls and most importantly can improve the fuel consumption of the less capable drivers on the payroll (A good driver can usually beat the computer, but good drivers are like hens teeth, less capable ones are ten a penny). The only disadvantages are the very slightly more complex control systems, but even these are largely reliable and only rarely go wrong - and certainly no more often than the air valves, rods and cables of a fully manual transmission in my experience.
bigr250:
Gogan:
This does raise an interesting debate as the misconception of modern trucks giving more trouble than older ones is down to the lack of knowledge about how modern trucks actually operate IMHO. In years gone by when a truck wasn’t running right or had a mechanical problem you took it to ‘old Jimmy’ who would use a shifting spanner to adjust something. Modern trucks however need someone with diagnsotics tools AND knowledge to provide a good level of service, something that the older generation simply don’t understand and never will. You only have to look at some of the threads on here where the old-hands belittle anything that is ‘modern’ or that they didn’t think about back in the day (remapping, aerodynamics, modern tyres, automated manual gearboxes - numerous threads on all manner of subjects) where certain memebers show time and again just how out of touch they actually are.Gogan, I make no appology for being, & am quite happy to pronounce myself “old school” at the age of 55!! But to describe everyone who doesn’t like modern high tech trucks as “Jimmy with a shifting spanner” is just as plain wrong as suggesting none of us understand remapping & areodynamics etc, I have a very modern, extensive & up to date tool kit which includes two ‘shifters’ & a multi meter.
We’ve sent trucks to a local main dealer for a ‘wiz kid’ to plug his Xbox into to tell us that there were no faults recorded on a truck that was so far down on power that it dropped 3 gears to get out of the Mersey Tunnel empty!! This 22 year old bloke had virtually no idea of the inner workings of an internal combustion engine, in other words, if it wasn’t on his lap top screen, there was nothing wrong!!
Automated manual gearbox’s, do you really think that they are the ‘way forward’■■ The only one I’ve driven that behaves anything like I’d want is our 05 Volvo ishift, we also have ZF auto’s in both 12 & 16 speed and both are rubbish, we maintain some Scania 3 pedal auto’s and they’re no better than the ZF though I’m told the ‘2 pedal’ version is much better. To me these box’s are simply more to go wrong, & go wrong in a very expensive way so enormous pain (when they go wrong) against virtually no gain when they dont.
Ross.
the problem s without the 22 year old kid n his x box you cant reset any faults take somthing as simple as fitting air horns light bar microwave without him re progaming the tucks computer after thy beem fitted will give you constant warnings alarms etc on dash
monarch of the highway:
the problem s without the 22 year old kid n his x box you cant reset any faults take somthing as simple as fitting air horns light bar microwave without him re progaming the tucks computer after thy beem fitted will give you constant warnings alarms etc on dash
Fortunately, we run mostly Iveco’s and have a set of dealer handbooks including the fault code book, these are very hard to come by but can save plenty when needed.
A mate of mine from Manchester has an 07 Stralis 560 that lost all power, the “xbox kid” at his local main dealer said “turbo”!! So, £2,800 later, nice new turbo, oil & filter &, you’ve guessed it, still no power & a dealer saying, “the turbo was knackered”. Yea right!!!
Ross.
Modern engines share the same fundamentals as old school engines, only the execution is different 
Aside from EGR/SCR and all that other needless crap an electronic engine is far better than any mechanical engine in terms of efficiency and reliability and when they do go wrong they’re much easier to diagnose as a result of the brain capturing the information you need to make the necessary adjustments 
As with the spannerman, the spikey haired spotty youth needs to know what he’s doing or it’s the old school cliche of a bad workman blaming his tools 