No, you are allowed up to the limit. You would only need to provide proof of prescription if over the limit.
Another aspect to this…Am I the only one who thinks a transport co getting one of their drivers to actually ■■■■ in a bottle is totally out of order, and a bit above their remit, not to mention an insult and a degradation on the drivers part, a breath test from someone othe than the Poice is ■■■■ bad enough, but really? 
Are people really that servile that they do not strongly protest about this, and/or tell them to go and ■■■■ themselves. …it’s a DRIVING job for a tenner an hour or similar, not the Police or the forces ffs.
A classic example of some of these modern up their own arse type of firm with ideas vastly above their station. 
Plod can ask you to blow in his bag, but he cannot prosecute without evidence
Wheel Nut:
Plod can ask you to blow in his bag, but he cannot prosecute without evidence
No problem with blowing into plod’s bag, or getting pulled over for a drug test whatsoever…that is part of their job.
My problem would be a fellow employee of whatever level of superiority if any, on his power trip, who has no medical experience to sit there in judgement of me after analysing whatever bodily ■■■■ fluid he has the cheek and audacity to ask for me to produce on threat of losing your job if you don’t comply.
A ■■■■ big step too far imo.
But the cringeworthy pathetic ‘What have you to worry about if you’ve done nothing wrong’ crew, will be on it with enthusiasm, so what chance have the rest of us got eh?
robroy:
Another aspect to this…Am I the only one who thinks a transport co getting one of their drivers to actually ■■■■ in a bottle is totally out of order, and a bit above their remit, not to mention an insult and a degradation on the drivers part, a breath test from someone othe than the Poice is [zb] bad enough, but really?
Are people really that servile that they do not strongly protest about this, and/or tell them to go and [zb] themselves. …it’s a DRIVING job for a tenner an hour or similar, not the Police or the forces ffs.A classic example of some of these modern up their own arse type of firm with ideas vastly above their station.
I was only too happy to ■■■■ in a bottle when my employer asked me to. That’s because when they asked me to park up and come into the office for a random drug test I quickly took some co-codamol I had in my bag for just such an occasion.
2 weeks off with full pay while my ‘non-negative’ result was double checked by the lab. Looking forward to the next one!
Ziltoid:
robroy:
Another aspect to this…Am I the only one who thinks a transport co getting one of their drivers to actually ■■■■ in a bottle is totally out of order, and a bit above their remit, not to mention an insult and a degradation on the drivers part, a breath test from someone othe than the Poice is [zb] bad enough, but really?
Are people really that servile that they do not strongly protest about this, and/or tell them to go and [zb] themselves. …it’s a DRIVING job for a tenner an hour or similar, not the Police or the forces ffs.A classic example of some of these modern up their own arse type of firm with ideas vastly above their station.
I was only too happy to ■■■■ in a bottle when my employer asked me to. That’s because when they asked me to park up and come into the office for a random drug test I quickly took some co-codamol I had in my bag for just such an occasion.
2 weeks off with full pay while my ‘non-negative’ result was double checked by the lab. Looking forward to the next one!
Yeh I’m all for using these type of ■■■■ s own stick to beat then with …nice one, a man after my own heart. 
Only problem in my case, there ain’t a Union at where I am, so you can sure as hell bet they would not pay me. 
robroy:
No problem with blowing into plod’s bag, or getting pulled over for a drug test whatsoever…that is part of their job.
My problem would be a fellow employee of whatever level of superiority if any, on his power trip, who has no medical experience to sit there in judgement of me after analysing whatever bodily [zb] fluid he has the cheek and audacity to ask for me to produce on threat of losing your job if you don’t comply.
A [zb] big step too far imo.But the cringeworthy pathetic ‘What have you to worry about if you’ve done nothing wrong’ crew, will be on it with enthusiasm, so what chance have the rest of us got eh?
Exactly and when being tested under suspicion having displayed no effects of drink or drugs, with the reason for the test being that a random driver has gone in and spouted some hearsay. Once tested under suspicion there is no way to repair the damage to the working relationship with those involved, absolutely none.
You would think the saliva tests would be a more appropriate measure in any case. They measure current or recent intoxication, which is far more relevant and less intrusive. I mean these testers follow you into the toilet and tell you to leave the cubicle door open!!
Noremac:
I mean these testers follow you into the toilet and tell you to leave the cubicle door open!!
Has he got both hands in his pockets while he watches you?
Seriously though,.all this crap is totally out of order, I can’t believe that guys just go along and agree to it all and conform.
“If you’ve done nothing wrong then you’ve nothing to worry about?”
A few years ago at West Ham I sat near an older bloke with Downs Syndrome and his carer who was much younger. It was ■■■■■■■ freezing and the old bill were filming supporters with video cameras (as it was against Cardiff or some other match that it sometimes kicked off in).
3 coppers stormed up the stairs and demanded that the bloke with Down took the scarf off that was around his face to keep the wind off.
His carer was pleading that it was his disabled uncle but of course they didn’t give a ■■■■. It nearly started a mini riot as everyone seemed to know the old boy who got really distressed.
‘If you’ve done nothing wrong you’ve got nothing to worry about’ didn’t seem to apply that day.
These sort of posts just prove how fooled up and micro-pointy, harse covering this industry has become,Thank gawd I don’t work for a blue chip logistics provider.
I personally would like to see a test for common sense.
If you want to ■■■■■■ a drug test handful of poppyseeds and two co-codemol and two drops CBD oil for good measure.
Going back a few years I was working for one of the ‘discount retailers’. One day at a store, I had a minor incident where I caught a car parked near the back door, nothing major, no one injured, just a scrape . I rang it in and was told to crack on to a collection I was booked for. I got back to to the depot 12 hours after the event. I was then told they needed to do a full drug and alcohol test and accident report on me before I would be “allowed” home. That would have taken me well over hours and to be honest, after a long day made longer with hold ups everywhere, I wasn’t up for being ■■■■■■ around. So I told them to stuff it, after all, I’d had the knock hours ago, so what was the point of testing me at that time of night?
The upshot was they had me on a disciplinary over it under the charge of “suspected drink-driving”. Our union was as much use as a chocolate teapot and just bent over for them. In the end, I told them to shove the job and got out of there with my dignity intact. As said previously, people need to not accept this type of treatment. I know we’ve all got bills to pay, but you’ve got to have self respect. I soon found work, as did many other decent drivers who left the company. They now constantly advertise for drivers, directly and via agencies, as word has got around to avoid the place like the plague.
Riffer:
Going back a few years I was working for one of the ‘discount retailers’. One day at a store, I had a minor incident where I caught a car parked near the back door, nothing major, no one injured, just a scrape . I rang it in and was told to crack on to a collection I was booked for. I got back to to the depot 12 hours after the event. I was then told they needed to do a full drug and alcohol test and accident report on me before I would be “allowed” home. That would have taken me well over hours and to be honest, after a long day made longer with hold ups everywhere, I wasn’t up for being ■■■■■■ around. So I told them to stuff it, after all, I’d had the knock hours ago, so what was the point of testing me at that time of night?The upshot was they had me on a disciplinary over it under the charge of “suspected drink-driving”. Our union was as much use as a chocolate teapot and just bent over for them. In the end, I told them to shove the job and got out of there with my dignity intact. As said previously, people need to not accept this type of treatment. I know we’ve all got bills to pay, but you’ve got to have self respect. I soon found work, as did many other decent drivers who left the company. They now constantly advertise for drivers, directly and via agencies, as word has got around to avoid the place like the plague.
As you say mate, your dignity is well intact, nice one, these ■■■■ s only do what they are allowed to get away with.
‘‘Allowed’’ to go home?? …yeh right. 
Ì’d only even think about considering it if they were going to pay me for those ‘hours’, even then on second thoughts…No.
Also they can ‘‘suspect’’ wtf they like, you should have said…
‘I’ll be 10 minutes getting my gear in the car’’ make sure you ring the law with your suspicions for when I set off’'…
Pompous 2hats. 
They obviously have not got the message as to why nobody with a bit of self pride won’t work for them yet then.
robroy:
discoman:
His own fault, for going around the yard acting like Jack the lad bragging.Yep that’s fair,…if you are doing anything slightly or otherwise that is dodgy, only an idiot goes around telling everybody.
It’s usually those that have led a sheltered never do wrong type of life, and they feel good about themselves having gone slightly off the rails for once…You keep it to yourself or on who needs to know basis
…That is rule 1 type of stuff.
One thing I do not like is a grass, it the worse grass is the one who grasses themselves.
Is he a member of a union? If he is get them involved, if he’s not, then why not?
Well, the word on the grapevine (which is usually correct) is that he’s going to be allowed to continue his job after a short suspension, normally just a couple days, as long as he agrees to substance abuse counselling which is part of the employee assistance program. Apparently, he was going to get the union involved and looks like the boss didn’t want that hassle. About as good a result as could be wished for.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the counselling session. What a waste of time though and fuss over nothing.
Tailschwing:
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Apparently, he was going to get the union involved and looks like the boss didn’t want that hassle.
Not so much the hassle, more the embarrasment of it being pointed out to him (and everybody else) that he had overstepped the mark.
It’s just a pity we were not all in a strong Union, half of this type of modern management style ■■■■■■■■ would never get off the ground, let alone exist,.
It has probably been discovered that the guy might have a valid case. For me what triggered the test is the biggest issue. He hasn’t turned up drunk or falling asleep, had an incident, it is something somebody has said about him at the end of the day that triggered the test.
If I can just play devil’s advocate for a second, look at it from the companies viewpoint.
If this driver is out on a delivery somewhere and has an RTA where there is a fatality then he gets drink and drug tested. No matter when he last took them or even if they had zero impact on his ability to drive then the company is in hot water. He failed a drug test and I think we all know potentially how the media would spin that one. In my opinion, they aren’t in the wrong for sacking him because, like it or not, they need to cover their own back, if for no other reason than all the other employees at risk if restrictions or removal of operators license happens
That being said though, since they wouldn’t know anything about it and they’d be in the clear in the above situation with no drug test having taken place then the guy who grassed him up deserves taken round the back of a warehouse somewhere and shown the business end of a claw hammer
Riffer:
Going back a few years I was working for one of the ‘discount retailers’. One day at a store, I had a minor incident where I caught a car parked near the back door, nothing major, no one injured, just a scrape . I rang it in and was told to crack on to a collection I was booked for. I got back to to the depot 12 hours after the event. I was then told they needed to do a full drug and alcohol test and accident report on me before I would be “allowed” home. That would have taken me well over hours and to be honest, after a long day made longer with hold ups everywhere, I wasn’t up for being ■■■■■■ around. So I told them to stuff it, after all, I’d had the knock hours ago, so what was the point of testing me at that time of night?The upshot was they had me on a disciplinary over it under the charge of “suspected drink-driving”. Our union was as much use as a chocolate teapot and just bent over for them. In the end, I told them to shove the job and got out of there with my dignity intact. As said previously, people need to not accept this type of treatment. I know we’ve all got bills to pay, but you’ve got to have self respect. I soon found work, as did many other decent drivers who left the company. They now constantly advertise for drivers, directly and via agencies, as word has got around to avoid the place like the plague.
I admire your firm course of action.
Surely the ‘company’ should be prosecuted for having a policy that allows someone “suspected of drink-driving” to finish their shift before any action is taken.
Either they suspected you of drink driving & allowed you to carry on driving or they must accept they trumped up the charges because you refused to co-operate.
I do not believe the Police charge for any kind of drink driving offence if they cannot get a sample; only a separate (& severe) failure to provide charge.
robroy:
It’s just a pity we were not all in a strong Union, half of this type of modern management style ■■■■■■■■ would never get off the ground, let alone exist,.
Rob, I couldn’t agree more.
Unfortunately Thatcher changed the laws to ensure unions have almost no powers at all nowadays by comparison to the employers. Youngsters today can probably figure out each groups political patronage at that time but you lived through it live.
I’m still in a union despite its perilous legal status as it’s the best hope we got of improving our share of the pie.
What amazes me most is the amount of £10-£12 guys on here that think the Tories are going to put more money in the drivers pockets and thus voted to put them overwhelmingly in charge.
Well have I got news for them?..Yes, workers are going to be totally shafted now as Borris, Mogger & Co. put their own people firmly back at the top of the ladder.
This bunch of Tory Ultras couldn’t believe their luck when they got rid of that most inconvenient socialist project called the EU with the help of a few newspaper owners and unbelievably…lots of working class.
Just stock up on Vaseline is about the best advice I can think of at the moment.