hi all, I got called into office this morn ref my tacho,s and i have reqd a meeting tomorrow to clean this up, here goes
at my start time i clock in, various times but say 06:30, by the time I get paperwork issued and done got keys ect it could be 07:15 before I get my tacho in, we had been told to mark our start and finish times on the disc which is what I do by drawing a line at in this case 06:30, when I finish say 14:00 when the tacho comes out but I have to go and get paperwork checked ect which includes handing/signing keys back in so I may not leave till 14:30, gain clocked out and a line marked on the disc at 14:30 with the relevant explanation…
however I had been told to mark 2 hammers in pen for other work between 06:30 and 07:15 before the speed trace starts and again after 14:00 but before the 14:30… but i feel that if I do this I am marking the trace as such which vosa may not look nicely on.
well it came out that unless I do what my company says then the next time my tachos come back and I have not put the other work symbol on the trace then I will be facing a disciplinary! so am I wrong andshould I be marking this?
I do write on the back and the envelope so cannot understand why I have to put this on the trace?
dle1uk:
hi all, I got called into office this morn ref my tacho,s and i have reqd a meeting tomorrow to clean this up, here goes
at my start time i clock in, various times but say 06:30, by the time I get paperwork issued and done got keys ect it could be 07:15 before I get my tacho in, we had been told to mark our start and finish times on the disc which is what I do by drawing a line at in this case 06:30, when I finish say 14:00 when the tacho comes out but I have to go and get paperwork checked ect which includes handing/signing keys back in so I may not leave till 14:30, gain clocked out and a line marked on the disc at 14:30 with the relevant explanation…
however I had been told to mark 2 hammers in pen for other work between 06:30 and 07:15 before the speed trace starts and again after 14:00 but before the 14:30… but i feel that if I do this I am marking the trace as such which vosa may not look nicely on.
well it came out that unless I do what my company says then the next time my tachos come back and I have not put the other work symbol on the trace then I will be facing a disciplinary! so am I wrong andshould I be marking this?
I do write on the back and the envelope so cannot understand why I have to put this on the trace?
cheers guys
Seems a strange requirement if you are already doing it correctly on the rear of the chart. Maybe they could give you the request in writing and keep it to cover yourself? And then just do as they say, being careful not to mark the trace itself.
They’re absolutely right, you need to mark on the tacho to cover the period for which there is no trace at the start and end of the shift.
However, you seem to be getting confused as to WHERE to mark it. If you turn the chart over you’ll see a bit designed specifically for this purpose, get yourself a felt tip pen and mark it on there (NOT a biro or it’ll mark through to the front).
thanks Mike, but I am writing on the back the info, but they still insist that I should draw the 2 hammers symbol on the front of the disc between my start time and when i actually start driving, thsi I belive may be defacing a legal document as such, which is why I have reqd a meeting to clear it up, but want to be sure first
The only time I know of marking the front of the card is when you had to write something along the lines of SOS and EOS, along the lines of Start of shift and End Of Shift, sure thats in the vosa ■■■■■■■■■ But I wouldnt be drawing lines to show 45mins OT on teh front.
o6:30 on the front of the disc i mark a line the company are telling me to then draw again on the front of the disc the 2 hammers symbol, after 06:30 but before the speed trace starts at 07:15… on the back of the chart I write 06:30 start other work ect 07:15 start drive, but there is not a problem with my explanation on the back on my charts its just that I do not mark the 2 hammers symbol on the front of the chart which i feel i should not as i am then defacing the trace… I think the office feel that the trace starts at 07:15 so its ok to write on the front of the disc?
Somerfields used to make you do this, would draw a line saying EDR or EWR then say your sitting about for an hour draw a line and write POA or O/W, same at the end of the shift. DHL years ago used to do it as well.
Most analogue charts have a specified place to make manual entries (usually on the reverse). However, manual entries can be made anywhere on the chart provided that they are clear and do not obliterate other recordings.
Rog, the diagram is exactly what i am doing as well as writing other work 06:30/07:15 all on the back of the chart but should I have to show it on the front?
we were told to put felt tip lines on front with e.w.r[end weekly rest],s.w.r [start weekly rest], s.d.r[ start daily rest] and struggling to remember other, was it s.d.p[start duty period.
then put time from felt tip line to trace on back of charts as whatever mode,never put a mode on front ,and never had a problem
dle1uk:
all on the back of the chart but should I have to show it on the front?
No, it doesn’t need to be on the front. The whole point of the space on the back of the chart is for this purpose, if you’re putting it there and their tacho analysis company are flagging it up as an infringment then they need to get a new tacho analysis company.
dle1uk:
all on the back of the chart but should I have to show it on the front?
No, it doesn’t need to be on the front. The whole point of the space on the back of the chart is for this purpose, if you’re putting it there and their tacho analysis company are flagging it up as an infringment then they need to get a new tacho analysis company.
Paul
I agree with Paul here, it is only to save the analysis monkey from turning the card over. The cards and tacho rolls have a 4x24hr grid on the rear for this purpose already marked with pictograms of hammers, beds and steering wheels
i had this once in one of my employments the TM was told by the firm checking the charts that some info was missing on my charts i as to see the report and then ask the TM to show were i have gone wrong he saw that the missing data was on the back and i said there probably don’t look on the back or there scanner can’t read the rear of the chart he phoned them up and there said the same there do not input the info on the back (wait for this ) cos its for manual entries only the TM said well that’s what the driver as don’t it for, anyway the checking company told the TM to stop us writing on the front of the chart and only put it on the back and there said to use the terms as follows
end daily rest= EDR
start dally rest= SDR
end weekly rest = EWR
start weekly rest= SWR
so we did as told and when the next charts were checked there came back as there should off in the first case
if you cover any part of the trace on the tachograph that would be an infringement, when i did a tachograph course a few years back the trainer told us to always right on the back never the front been doing that ever since and never been told other wise
dle1uk:
Rog, the diagram is exactly what i am doing as well as writing other work 06:30/07:15 all on the back of the chart but should I have to show it on the front?
YES YOU CAN in the UK anyway - don’t know about other EU countries
As long as nothing interferes with the trace
MY SOURCE for this - our resident site VOSA EXPERT, geebee45
dle1uk:
…its just that I do not mark the 2 hammers symbol on the front of the chart which i feel i should not as i am then defacing the trace…
You can’t be defacing the trace on the front if you draw the hammers on as there isn’t one between 06:30 and 07:15, which is why you are accounting for your time on the back.
Seems to me your company need a new analysis company as the mob they are currently using talk ■■■■■■■■.
