Universal Credit - Massive Increases in Provincial Towns

Pathetic Tories, rather than doing what they said on the tin - are seemingly trying to make Keir Starmer electable, with or without any kind of completed Brexit in the meantime.

What better way to achieve that, than to make traditional Tory voters abandon them like they did with Churchill during the 1945 general election campaign.

Not only did Churchill not try to win that, he practically handed the country to the previously unelectable Clement Atlee’s Labour on a plate.

With a bit of luck, Brexit Party might yet have enough funds to put up one more fight in every seat during the next election campaign.

…Meanwhile, the SNP will continue to block Labour from winning a full majority.
Brexit Party on zero seats - didn’t block the Tories from theirs gotten clearly now under false pretences last december…

Boris Johnson has clearly used the “Establishment Mallet” to dispatch Farage - but let’s hope it is for the time being, and nothing more.

I have no doubt that BP in government would not have allowed our borders to remain open for anything beyond commercial traffic.
A Tory/BP coalition from December 2019 - would have prevented people from taking foreign holidays from January 2nd very likely, and there’s a good chance that Covid wouldn’t have made any inroads into the UK population any more than Ebola did via that Scottish nurse a few years back…

…Something that didn’t happen, that should have happened.

…What actually did

So all this “Centerism” now puts us all at risk from politician’s poor decisions on all our behalfs. Not ONE aspect of it was on the Pre-Election manifesto.
What utter ■■■■■■■■ every single MP at Westminster, Commons and Lords happens to be now.
The purge when it comes - now needs to be 650 wide rather than 324 wide. :angry:

The issue of an ever increasing UC population is the result of an underlying structural problem going back to 1979.

The catastrophic industrial massacre we saw then and resulting casualties never went away.They were just hidden in rigged figures including unemployment being re classified as ‘further education’.

Added to which is an over supplied labour market which employers are addicted to.With an ever increasing immigrant workforce competing for the easiest least demanding and lowest hanging fruit jobs with the best chance of in work benefits support.As any older semi retired workers looking for an easy/part time job could tell you.

UC is obviously the go to source for all of us caught in the resulting trap.
Nothing to do with Covid that either being an issue of Furlough.
Or redundancy which would have happened anyway in this collapsing economy with insufficient disposable incomes to sustain it and what is being spent going on imports.Which means cash lost to the economy which won’t be coming back into it.
None of that suddenly just happened in January 2020.

I’m inclined to agree with you 100% on your read of things there.

The outstanding questions yet to be answered are

(1) How come there are so many expensive private driver-only vehicles out and about right now?
(2) How come people that are riddled with debt and those living it up on furlough - are apparently the same ones, whereas the “worried” are the same as the “Thrifty”, and therefore less likely to suffer long-term damage from the financial fallout
(3) The Tories couldn’t make UC popular originally, as it was a cutback to those on long-term benefits, and only cushy to newcomers in that once on it, the process of calculating payments then becomes automatic, with no further need to “sign on once a fortnight” as people once did for the “old style” benefits.

(4) Labour - have spoken against UC in such a way that one believes that it is only the “Tories” doing UC that they don’t like - not the flawed UC in itself. Flawed? - The 63p/£ taper would seem to start rather low down at £500 or less per month “earnings allowance”. What job can limbo THAT low? Even at minimum wages? Take that 35 hour-per-week minimum waged job though? You’re over-shooting that “non-taper-off” allowance by more than double… So much for “encouraging people without a job to take even a lower paid one”… But hey - Get a job in Leicester at £3.50ph - and you’re in!!! :unamused:

(5) Labour are also failing to point out to people that being on UC is a great time to get your finances in order across the board. There’s no need to fill in those intruding “Income expense” forms any more, as UC gets the income data automatically from HMRC using the same overlapping system once used to do Tax Credits. Without the need for an “income” form filling exercise, those chasing people for debts - can also apply to HMRC for similar data, only to find to their dismay that “This person is on benefits - no liens or attachment of earnings orders are permitted, except for county and crown court fines.” You’d think that Labour people would be telling those who’ve just lost their jobs and are unlikely to find another one any time soon to cut up their cards, and make the most of the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity thus presented where HMRC and UC effectively render debtors bulletproof to all but the most secure of original debts. WIth people killing themselves and families in “murder suicides” over debt these days - It is seriously time so-called “Socialist, caring” Labour - started helping those who support them deal with their crushing debts the only way practical - wipe the slate, and start again. NOT pay £1 per week until you’re older than Methusehla, in the vain hope that the “victim” might one day “come into some money” whilst the debt is kept open, despite having already been written off at least once for tax purposes, arguably making further attempts to reclaim “dead debts” as “Fraudulant” one would think…

(6) UC doesn’t pay your poll tax any more. You’ve got to be earning less than £480 per month to get your council tax grant or even free prescriptions come to that… No WONDER those already on benefits - hate it to bits eh?

Winseer:
I’m inclined to agree with you 100% on your read of things there.

The outstanding questions yet to be answered are

(1) How come there are so many expensive private driver-only vehicles out and about right now?
(2) How come people that are riddled with debt and those living it up on furlough - are apparently the same ones, whereas the “worried” are the same as the “Thrifty”, and therefore less likely to suffer long-term damage from the financial fallout
(3) The Tories couldn’t make UC popular originally, as it was a cutback to those on long-term benefits, and only cushy to newcomers in that once on it, the process of calculating payments then becomes automatic, with no further need to “sign on once a fortnight” as people once did for the “old style” benefits.

(4) Labour - have spoken against UC in such a way that one believes that it is only the “Tories” doing UC that they don’t like - not the flawed UC in itself. Flawed? - The 63p/£ taper would seem to start rather low down at £500 or less per month “earnings allowance”. What job can limbo THAT low? Even at minimum wages? Take that 35 hour-per-week minimum waged job though? You’re over-shooting that “non-taper-off” allowance by more than double… So much for “encouraging people without a job to take even a lower paid one”… But hey - Get a job in Leicester at £3.50ph - and you’re in!!! :unamused:

(5) Labour are also failing to point out to people that being on UC is a great time to get your finances in order across the board. There’s no need to fill in those intruding “Income expense” forms any more, as UC gets the income data automatically from HMRC using the same overlapping system once used to do Tax Credits. Without the need for an “income” form filling exercise, those chasing people for debts - can also apply to HMRC for similar data, only to find to their dismay that “This person is on benefits - no liens or attachment of earnings orders are permitted, except for county and crown court fines.” You’d think that Labour people would be telling those who’ve just lost their jobs and are unlikely to find another one any time soon to cut up their cards, and make the most of the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity thus presented where HMRC and UC effectively render debtors bulletproof to all but the most secure of original debts. WIth people killing themselves and families in “murder suicides” over debt these days - It is seriously time so-called “Socialist, caring” Labour - started helping those who support them deal with their crushing debts the only way practical - wipe the slate, and start again. NOT pay £1 per week until you’re older than Methusehla, in the vain hope that the “victim” might one day “come into some money” whilst the debt is kept open, despite having already been written off at least once for tax purposes, arguably making further attempts to reclaim “dead debts” as “Fraudulant” one would think…

(6) UC doesn’t pay your poll tax any more. You’ve got to be earning less than £480 per month to get your council tax grant or even free prescriptions come to that… No WONDER those already on benefits - hate it to bits eh?

I’ve been on it for over a year now.

(1) It’s good in the sense of its flexibility ( IF ) you’re lucky enough to find some work.

( 2 ) Council tax relief is graduated subject to income it’s not subject any actual threshold other than a £15,000 savings threshold.Which is bleedin obvious because a minimum wage part time, even full time, let alone zero hours job ain’t going to pay >£2500 pa council tax bill + water + commuting, electric and gas.

( 3 ) I don’t hate it at all it’s a bleedin lifeline combined with council tax relief.

( 4 ) I’m only in this position now because of the amount that my savings had been decimated by low interest rates over the last 13 years.

(5) It’s obvious that a 66 + retirement age is unsustainable in a high labour supply environment.To the tune of 472 other applicants for a recent application.Who are they going to choose the 20 something east euro or the over 60’s Brit with a knackered back.

(6) The responsibilities and commitment to seek work is the same as ever.It involves regular meetings in person and maintaining a detailed online journal concerning applications and answering any requests from the office.
Any failures or discrepancies there you’re toast.

Carryfast:

Winseer:
I’m inclined to agree with you 100% on your read of things there.

The outstanding questions yet to be answered are

(1) How come there are so many expensive private driver-only vehicles out and about right now?
(2) How come people that are riddled with debt and those living it up on furlough - are apparently the same ones, whereas the “worried” are the same as the “Thrifty”, and therefore less likely to suffer long-term damage from the financial fallout
(3) The Tories couldn’t make UC popular originally, as it was a cutback to those on long-term benefits, and only cushy to newcomers in that once on it, the process of calculating payments then becomes automatic, with no further need to “sign on once a fortnight” as people once did for the “old style” benefits.

(4) Labour - have spoken against UC in such a way that one believes that it is only the “Tories” doing UC that they don’t like - not the flawed UC in itself. Flawed? - The 63p/£ taper would seem to start rather low down at £500 or less per month “earnings allowance”. What job can limbo THAT low? Even at minimum wages? Take that 35 hour-per-week minimum waged job though? You’re over-shooting that “non-taper-off” allowance by more than double… So much for “encouraging people without a job to take even a lower paid one”… But hey - Get a job in Leicester at £3.50ph - and you’re in!!! :unamused:

(5) Labour are also failing to point out to people that being on UC is a great time to get your finances in order across the board. There’s no need to fill in those intruding “Income expense” forms any more, as UC gets the income data automatically from HMRC using the same overlapping system once used to do Tax Credits. Without the need for an “income” form filling exercise, those chasing people for debts - can also apply to HMRC for similar data, only to find to their dismay that “This person is on benefits - no liens or attachment of earnings orders are permitted, except for county and crown court fines.” You’d think that Labour people would be telling those who’ve just lost their jobs and are unlikely to find another one any time soon to cut up their cards, and make the most of the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity thus presented where HMRC and UC effectively render debtors bulletproof to all but the most secure of original debts. WIth people killing themselves and families in “murder suicides” over debt these days - It is seriously time so-called “Socialist, caring” Labour - started helping those who support them deal with their crushing debts the only way practical - wipe the slate, and start again. NOT pay £1 per week until you’re older than Methusehla, in the vain hope that the “victim” might one day “come into some money” whilst the debt is kept open, despite having already been written off at least once for tax purposes, arguably making further attempts to reclaim “dead debts” as “Fraudulant” one would think…

(6) UC doesn’t pay your poll tax any more. You’ve got to be earning less than £480 per month to get your council tax grant or even free prescriptions come to that… No WONDER those already on benefits - hate it to bits eh?

I’ve been on it for over a year now.

(1) It’s good in the sense of its flexibility ( IF ) you’re lucky enough to find some work.
It works well with ZHC in that if you drop hours on some weeks, you effectively lose less of that 63% taper-off… Less is more?

( 2 ) Council tax relief is graduated subject to income it’s not subject any actual threshold other than a £15,000 savings threshold.Which is bleedin obvious because a minimum wage part time, even full time, let alone zero hours job ain’t going to pay >£2500 pa council tax bill + water + commuting, electric and gas.
Council tax varies by such a huge amount around the nation, but am I right in thinking that Renters don’t pay it?
The threshold for entitlement to council tax credits - seems a bit low, at 400 and something per MONTH. What even part time @ minimum wage job - gets you there when those type of jobs, as you state - go straight to the sheds-with-beds crowd?

( 3 ) I don’t hate it at all it’s a bleedin lifeline combined with council tax relief.
I’m told it “isn’t as good as the outgoing system”. I’m not sure why that is, but I’d hazard a guess that the amount you get went DOWN, meaning if you are not working and continue not to work, then the headline rate you receive has gone down… =Worse off. If you’re just going onto it for the 1st time however? - Dunno. Jury is still out on that one.

( 4 ) I’m only in this position now because of the amount that my savings had been decimated by low interest rates over the last 13 years.
I didn’t have enough savings to move into the stock market like I wanted to, so just kept my current account in the black - until one day, the work dried up, and now even that’s gone, with me into my overdraft facility - just as the current account decides to raise their rates on overdrafts to 400x the BoE base rate on… Cheers then!

(5) It’s obvious that a 66 + retirement age is unsustainable in a high labour supply environment.To the tune of 472 other applicants for a recent application.Who are they going to choose the 20 something east euro or the over 60’s Brit with a knackered back. This government appear to be moving thousands of young males to do the donkey work in as we speak. Labour should be proud of how “Red” the Tories have become! :angry:

(6) The responsibilities and commitment to seek work is the same as ever.It involves regular meetings in person and maintaining a detailed online journal concerning applications and answering any requests from the office.
Any failures or discrepancies there you’re toast.

I’d disagree with you on that last point six one, as no one is meeting ANYONE - because of the lockdown - right?
…That means that in the months to come, this pressure to “get a job at both ends” - will quietly be shelved, leaving people who are going to find themselves stuck on UC for quite a while, maybe years - “unmolested”.
No point threatening “Benefit Sanctions” for “not applying for enough jobs”, when as you say hundreds of applicants for a single vancancy is now the norm…

Points of opportunity in the months ahead:

September - Long term contract agency tend to be taken on around then.

Christmas Run-Up - Might be a shadow of it’s former self, but what happens if agencies get 10,000 applicants for those “permantenly available shifts, regular and ongoing” which amount to Johnny Sickie’s two days of absence this coming week, and minimum wages now at that?

New Year Onwards - If Brexit stalls at the last minute, the infrastructure jobs won’t be up-and-running in time, so we just take a deeper angled dive into full blown slump…

The one good thing I can think about with regards to UC is that if you get “spotty” work, one shift this week, bugger all for a fortnight, a shift cancelled at the last minute in week four, and then a full week coinciding with a week you’ve just picked up something better elsewhere… You don’t have to “sign off, fail to get the work offered, then sign back on quick” any more.
Your UC goes up and down according to how much money you TOOK HOME rather than “got promised, but didn’t materialize”…

Watch out for those agencies who’ll fiddle their sign-ups something rotten though - on the basis “We promised you, but there’s no legal obligation for Blogg’s Agency to deliver. What you gonna do small guy? Can’t afford to sue us, no guns allowed to shoot us with, legal system in lockdown unless you’re up on a social offence… We’re all Mike Ashleys here in AgencyLand now - Have a nice day!”

Winseer:
Points of opportunity iWe’re all Mike Ashleys here in AgencyLand now - Have a nice day!" [/i]

Where do you get the idea that -

  1. £400 pm doesn’t qualify for council tax relief.That’s bollox.That almost qualifies for maximum relief given < £6,000 savings.

  2. Tenants don’t also pay council tax and water on top of their rent ?.That would be news to my renting relatives.

As I said UC opens a lot of doors regarding what’s viable or not.The problem being that young workers are competing with older winding down ones for the best combinations of zero hours/part time/easy non physical work.
Then they suddenly realise that isn’t a long term viable strategy for young people with long term commitments.
So they then totally zb up those jobs by wanting more hours made up with more and different duties.Then when they’ve got it they can’t hack it and walk away and start the whole process again.
Or as in my case we find ourselves competing with 20 somethings for casual car driving work for dealerships or lease returns.
Then the muppets are moaning because they ain’t getting class 1 money for it. :unamused:
So they go for silly hours and ‘other’ duties.Often turning trade plate work into the job of under qualified and under paid technical vehicle assessor.Or making the hours up with cleaning and prep work etc and it also puts them over all the in work benefits thresholds. :unamused:

These muppets are effectively taking viable jobs from older workers and zb it all up for everyone including themselves.Creating the worst of all worlds situation of long hours doing the roles of two or three workers and earning less in real terms for the privilege.While adding to the benefits bill at the end of the day by taking too many jobs which could be done by others.

It’s a downward spiral of to many workers looking for too few vacancies.
Too many workers doing too many hours and too many different duties which should be spread among others.
Also the young expecting to do the easy work which should be reserved for the old.
In addition to the fact that trading manufacturing for services and retail isn’t viable.It will crash the economy and nothing to do with bleedin Covid.

As for work search commitments yes they were relieved but it’s a grey area and I still maintain my online search and reports by necessity if nothing else.
Personal meetings are also stopped so far.But realistically no one can afford to not maintain a job search regardless because the level of benefit is obviously based on finding some type of work and income to augment it.

That’s why I said it’s a non starter for over 60’s.We should be allowed to claim our pensions at 60 no commitment to search for work but pay back the early pension payout if you can find something.That takes the pressure off at both ends for young and old.We don’t need to compete with them and they aren’t competing with us for jobs in an over supply environment.

Carryfast:

Winseer:
Points of opportunity iWe’re all Mike Ashleys here in AgencyLand now - Have a nice day!" [/i]

Where do you get the idea that -

  1. £400 pm doesn’t qualify for council tax relief.That’s bollox.That almost qualifies for maximum relief given < £6,000 savings.
    I’m looking into this. The Gov website mentioned this “low income £400pm” figure, and now I can’t find it. It may have been removed as part of the phasing-out of old-style benefits. I also found an instruction there directing everyone to their local council website, where council credit is claimed from, apprently… No information on “eligability” there though. Just form filling without telling you up-front if you are even up for it to begin with!!

  2. Tenants don’t also pay council tax and water on top of their rent ?.That would be news to my renting relatives.
    How on earth do people even afford rents with all that other crap still on top as overheads then?
    I would imagine a person with any rent over £800pm is going to be evicted the week after they lose their job now?

As I said UC opens a lot of doors regarding what’s viable or not.The problem being that young workers are competing with older winding down ones for the best combinations of zero hours/part time/easy non physical work. I’ve noticed that those people “paniced” into taking a full time contract, now must be regretting being made to do everything under the sun, rather than the anticipated “being stood down on pay”… The John Lewis shift of Drivers sideways into Waitrose is a case in point. A very loosely-worded contract could have you working there now doing anything and everything other than driving, - just to get your now ironed-out “salary” which has already been stripped of sunday premium, and now night premium as well, before I even left there on agency…
Then they suddenly realise that isn’t a long term viable strategy for young people with long term commitments.
Old people with long term commitments - like bringing up their 20-somthing kids who now cannot afford to leave home for at least a decade…
So they then totally zb up those jobs by wanting more hours made up with more and different duties.Then when they’ve got it they can’t hack it and walk away and start the whole process again.
Or as in my case we find ourselves competing with 20 somethings for casual car driving work for dealerships or lease returns.
Then the muppets are moaning because they ain’t getting class 1 money for it. :unamused:
So they go for silly hours and ‘other’ duties.Often turning trade plate work into the job of under qualified and under paid technical vehicle assessor.Or making the hours up with cleaning and prep work etc and it also puts them over all the in work benefits thresholds. :unamused:
UC does offer one interesting opportunity: The hourly rate doesn’t matter any more. No need to hold out for £16-18ph when you used to lose a third of that to tax/NICs… Why not aim a third lower with no deductions to speak of? The only fly in the ointment is that this “taper-off” kicks in too damned early @ £512pm when it should be something more realistic like 35 hours @ Minimum Wage as one’s “Free Pay” each month BEFORE the 63p taper kicks in… Either that, or reduce the steepness of that curve, as if you earn an extra tenner on this current system, not only will you lose £6.30 off next month’s UC, you’ll also pay 20% tax and 11% NICS meaning you get to keep 60p for every tenner worked. Not even 10% of minimum wage extra in your pocket there… NOT GOOD and hardly encouraging workers, in particular those being offered all the shifts under the sun - to take on those extra shifts, knowing that they are effectively working for 60p/hour for their efforts…

These muppets are effectively taking viable jobs from older workers and zb it all up for everyone including themselves.Creating the worst of all worlds situation of long hours doing the roles of two or three workers and earning less in real terms for the privilege.While adding to the benefits bill at the end of the day by taking too many jobs which could be done by others.

It’s a downward spiral of to many workers looking for too few vacancies.
Too many workers doing too many hours and too many different duties which should be spread among others.
Also the young expecting to do the easy work which should be reserved for the old.
In addition to the fact that trading manufacturing for services and retail isn’t viable.It will crash the economy and nothing to do with bleedin Covid.

As for work search commitments yes they were relieved but it’s a grey area and I still maintain my online search and reports by necessity if nothing else.
Personal meetings are also stopped so far.But realistically no one can afford to not maintain a job search regardless because the level of benefit is obviously based on finding some type of work and income to augment it. It seems to have indeed totally murdered what was once called the “Gig” economy, but I’m surprised this “Just In Time” model continues to be pursued by firms trying to recruit staff… No contracts, just ■■■■■■■■.

That’s why I said it’s a non starter for over 60’s.We should be allowed to claim our pensions at 60 no commitment to search for work but pay back the early pension payout if you can find something.That takes the pressure off at both ends for young and old.We don’t need to compete with them and they aren’t competing with us for jobs in an over supply environment.

I’m trying to find out if one’s pension counts towards this taper-off, as I’m not bloody well taking mine early if it is!.

Winseer:
Where do you get the idea that -

  1. £400 pm doesn’t qualify for council tax relief.That’s bollox.That almost qualifies for maximum relief given < £6,000 savings.
    I’m looking into this. The Gov website mentioned this “low income £400pm” figure, and now I can’t find it. It may have been removed as part of the phasing-out of old-style benefits. I also found an instruction there directing everyone to their local council website, where council credit is claimed from, apprently… No information on “eligability” there though. Just form filling without telling you up-front if you are even up for it to begin with!!

  2. Tenants don’t also pay council tax and water on top of their rent ?.That would be news to my renting relatives.
    How on earth do people even afford rents with all that other crap still on top as overheads then?
    I would imagine a person with any rent over £800pm is going to be evicted the week after they lose their job now?

As I said UC opens a lot of doors regarding what’s viable or not.The problem being that young workers are competing with older winding down ones for the best combinations of zero hours/part time/easy non physical work. I’ve noticed that those people “paniced” into taking a full time contract, now must be regretting being made to do everything under the sun, rather than the anticipated “being stood down on pay”… The John Lewis shift of Drivers sideways into Waitrose is a case in point. A very loosely-worded contract could have you working there now doing anything and everything other than driving, - just to get your now ironed-out “salary” which has already been stripped of sunday premium, and now night premium as well, before I even left there on agency…
Then they suddenly realise that isn’t a long term viable strategy for young people with long term commitments.
Old people with long term commitments - like bringing up their 20-somthing kids who now cannot afford to leave home for at least a decade…
So they then totally zb up those jobs by wanting more hours made up with more and different duties.Then when they’ve got it they can’t hack it and walk away and start the whole process again.
Or as in my case we find ourselves competing with 20 somethings for casual car driving work for dealerships or lease returns.
Then the muppets are moaning because they ain’t getting class 1 money for it. :unamused:
So they go for silly hours and ‘other’ duties.Often turning trade plate work into the job of under qualified and under paid technical vehicle assessor.Or making the hours up with cleaning and prep work etc and it also puts them over all the in work benefits thresholds. :unamused:
UC does offer one interesting opportunity: The hourly rate doesn’t matter any more. No need to hold out for £16-18ph when you used to lose a third of that to tax/NICs… Why not aim a third lower with no deductions to speak of? The only fly in the ointment is that this “taper-off” kicks in too damned early @ £512pm when it should be something more realistic like 35 hours @ Minimum Wage as one’s “Free Pay” each month BEFORE the 63p taper kicks in… Either that, or reduce the steepness of that curve, as if you earn an extra tenner on this current system, not only will you lose £6.30 off next month’s UC, you’ll also pay 20% tax and 11% NICS meaning you get to keep 60p for every tenner worked. Not even 10% of minimum wage extra in your pocket there… NOT GOOD and hardly encouraging workers, in particular those being offered all the shifts under the sun - to take on those extra shifts, knowing that they are effectively working for 60p/hour for their efforts…

These muppets are effectively taking viable jobs from older workers and zb it all up for everyone including themselves.Creating the worst of all worlds situation of long hours doing the roles of two or three workers and earning less in real terms for the privilege.While adding to the benefits bill at the end of the day by taking too many jobs which could be done by others.

It’s a downward spiral of to many workers looking for too few vacancies.
Too many workers doing too many hours and too many different duties which should be spread among others.
Also the young expecting to do the easy work which should be reserved for the old.
In addition to the fact that trading manufacturing for services and retail isn’t viable.It will crash the economy and nothing to do with bleedin Covid.

As for work search commitments yes they were relieved but it’s a grey area and I still maintain my online search and reports by necessity if nothing else.
Personal meetings are also stopped so far.But realistically no one can afford to not maintain a job search regardless because the level of benefit is obviously based on finding some type of work and income to augment it. It seems to have indeed totally murdered what was once called the “Gig” economy, but I’m surprised this “Just In Time” model continues to be pursued by firms trying to recruit staff… No contracts, just ■■■■■■■■.

That’s why I said it’s a non starter for over 60’s.We should be allowed to claim our pensions at 60 no commitment to search for work but pay back the early pension payout if you can find something.That takes the pressure off at both ends for young and old.We don’t need to compete with them and they aren’t competing with us for jobs in an over supply environment.

I’m trying to find out if one’s pension counts towards this taper-off, as I’m not bloody well taking mine early if it is!.
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The rental sector you can easily double that £800 pm with £250 pm council tax on top of that.

As for parents still keeping their 20 something children I never did move out of the parental home like many others I know.No one is moving anywhere with a mortgage or rent to pay unless there’s two wage earners and that’s been the case in this area since the late 1970’s.

As I said too many people chasing too few jobs and too many workers being pressured into taking on the roles of two or more different workers and/or two hours worth of work for one hour’s worth of pay.
While the idea that employers are claiming a shortage of drivers while forcing ‘drivers’ off the road onto ‘other’ duties says it all in that regard.
This is the type of zb that Yugoslavs and other East Euros used to talk about under their respective Communist governments during my travels there in the early 1980’s.

As for lowering the pension age UC v State Pension is a no brainer.What would you gain by staying on UC other than less money and being compelled to find work competing with much younger workers in an environment of 472 applicants for one vacancy.

Carryfast:

Winseer:
Where do you get the idea that -

  1. £400 pm doesn’t qualify for council tax relief.That’s bollox.That almost qualifies for maximum relief given < £6,000 savings.
    I’m looking into this. The Gov website mentioned this “low income £400pm” figure, and now I can’t find it. It may have been removed as part of the phasing-out of old-style benefits. I also found an instruction there directing everyone to their local council website, where council credit is claimed from, apprently… No information on “eligability” there though. Just form filling without telling you up-front if you are even up for it to begin with!!

  2. Tenants don’t also pay council tax and water on top of their rent ?.That would be news to my renting relatives.
    How on earth do people even afford rents with all that other crap still on top as overheads then?
    I would imagine a person with any rent over £800pm is going to be evicted the week after they lose their job now?

As I said UC opens a lot of doors regarding what’s viable or not.The problem being that young workers are competing with older winding down ones for the best combinations of zero hours/part time/easy non physical work. I’ve noticed that those people “paniced” into taking a full time contract, now must be regretting being made to do everything under the sun, rather than the anticipated “being stood down on pay”… The John Lewis shift of Drivers sideways into Waitrose is a case in point. A very loosely-worded contract could have you working there now doing anything and everything other than driving, - just to get your now ironed-out “salary” which has already been stripped of sunday premium, and now night premium as well, before I even left there on agency…
Then they suddenly realise that isn’t a long term viable strategy for young people with long term commitments.
Old people with long term commitments - like bringing up their 20-somthing kids who now cannot afford to leave home for at least a decade…
So they then totally zb up those jobs by wanting more hours made up with more and different duties.Then when they’ve got it they can’t hack it and walk away and start the whole process again.
Or as in my case we find ourselves competing with 20 somethings for casual car driving work for dealerships or lease returns.
Then the muppets are moaning because they ain’t getting class 1 money for it. :unamused:
So they go for silly hours and ‘other’ duties.Often turning trade plate work into the job of under qualified and under paid technical vehicle assessor.Or making the hours up with cleaning and prep work etc and it also puts them over all the in work benefits thresholds. :unamused:
UC does offer one interesting opportunity: The hourly rate doesn’t matter any more. No need to hold out for £16-18ph when you used to lose a third of that to tax/NICs… Why not aim a third lower with no deductions to speak of? The only fly in the ointment is that this “taper-off” kicks in too damned early @ £512pm when it should be something more realistic like 35 hours @ Minimum Wage as one’s “Free Pay” each month BEFORE the 63p taper kicks in… Either that, or reduce the steepness of that curve, as if you earn an extra tenner on this current system, not only will you lose £6.30 off next month’s UC, you’ll also pay 20% tax and 11% NICS meaning you get to keep 60p for every tenner worked. Not even 10% of minimum wage extra in your pocket there… NOT GOOD and hardly encouraging workers, in particular those being offered all the shifts under the sun - to take on those extra shifts, knowing that they are effectively working for 60p/hour for their efforts…

These muppets are effectively taking viable jobs from older workers and zb it all up for everyone including themselves.Creating the worst of all worlds situation of long hours doing the roles of two or three workers and earning less in real terms for the privilege.While adding to the benefits bill at the end of the day by taking too many jobs which could be done by others.

It’s a downward spiral of to many workers looking for too few vacancies.
Too many workers doing too many hours and too many different duties which should be spread among others.
Also the young expecting to do the easy work which should be reserved for the old.
In addition to the fact that trading manufacturing for services and retail isn’t viable.It will crash the economy and nothing to do with bleedin Covid.

As for work search commitments yes they were relieved but it’s a grey area and I still maintain my online search and reports by necessity if nothing else.
Personal meetings are also stopped so far.But realistically no one can afford to not maintain a job search regardless because the level of benefit is obviously based on finding some type of work and income to augment it. It seems to have indeed totally murdered what was once called the “Gig” economy, but I’m surprised this “Just In Time” model continues to be pursued by firms trying to recruit staff… No contracts, just ■■■■■■■■.

That’s why I said it’s a non starter for over 60’s.We should be allowed to claim our pensions at 60 no commitment to search for work but pay back the early pension payout if you can find something.That takes the pressure off at both ends for young and old.We don’t need to compete with them and they aren’t competing with us for jobs in an over supply environment.

I’m trying to find out if one’s pension counts towards this taper-off, as I’m not bloody well taking mine early if it is!.

The rental sector you can easily double that £800 pm with £250 pm council tax on top of that.
Do tell more…

As for parents still keeping their 20 something children I never did move out of the parental home like many others I know.No one is moving anywhere with a mortgage or rent to pay unless there’s two wage earners and that’s been the case in this area since the late 1970’s.

As I said too many people chasing too few jobs and too many workers being pressured into taking on the roles of two or more different workers and/or two hours worth of work for one hour’s worth of pay.
While the idea that employers are claiming a shortage of drivers while forcing ‘drivers’ off the road onto ‘other’ duties says it all in that regard.
This is the type of zb that Yugoslavs and other East Euros used to talk about under their respective Communist governments during my travels there in the early 1980’s.

As for lowering the pension age UC v State Pension is a no brainer.What would you gain by staying on UC other than less money and being compelled to find work competing with much younger workers in an environment of 472 applicants for one vacancy.
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I got an email from the agency I still officially work for, asking me to come back for £4 an hour more, but without specifying if my “unofficial” lifetime ban-from-site had been overturned yet.
Why didn’t they make it official in the first place, so I’d just dust off my shoes, and walk away?
…What’s the betting that by the end of this year we’ll be getting “Have YOU got PPI?” type texts and cold calls from law firms wanting to know if you were “done out of furlough”? :stuck_out_tongue: :smiling_imp:

Winseer:
I got an email from the agency I still officially work for, asking me to come back for £4 an hour more, but without specifying if my “unofficial” lifetime ban-from-site had been overturned yet.
Why didn’t they make it official in the first place, so I’d just dust off my shoes, and walk away?
…What’s the betting that by the end of this year we’ll be getting “Have YOU got PPI?” type texts and cold calls from law firms wanting to know if you were “done out of furlough”? :stuck_out_tongue: :smiling_imp:

I actually got a call on my mobile from an agency I don’t even know of asking me if I was up for a class 1 job.
They sounded a bit shocked when told them to actually read my CV it says medically retired over 20 years ago, I’ve got no DCPC, no medical, no tacho, effectively no licence.
The East Euros are actually going for the jobs I do want and can do like light van or car driving work, or driving a motor mower, and don’t want to drive the trucks they are supposedly here to drive to fix the ‘driver shortage’.

Maybe if they didn’t use truck drivers as warehouse labourers, thereby breaking their backs, they might have more drivers who are either fit enough to do the job of a ‘driver’ or who want to do the job.