waddy640:
Today, Unite have announced a strike at British airways over Christmas.
This is the mentality of people, selfish, uncaring individuals.
See? They are all the same.
Polish Railways had a strike every year just before Christmas (most busy period).
But this time they are quiet. Why? Because EU forced Polish goverment to open the market for a competitors. They know that they have no chance to compete with, for example, Deutsche Bahn.
I really laughed when Railmans in my local town set up strike to save some completely unnecessary rail connection. They told that it will be loss for the local community. The journalist went to ride that train and found that of 85 passengers, 79 had their free-pass for the Railway worker or member of the family…
It turned that this connection was needed to get the railmans from the night shift lift home…
waddy640:
Today, Unite have announced a strike at British airways over Christmas.
This is the mentality of people, selfish, uncaring individuals.
Redundancies, pay cuts or no pay rises affect many people but they carry on. Most of us cannot afford to go on strike even if we wanted to.
Why do BA staff think they are a special case? Because they are obviously overpaid.
My heart goes out to all the well heeled people who will be stranded in far away countries. Maybe they could catch a train or boat and lower their carbon footprint?
waddy640:
Today, Unite have announced a strike at British airways over Christmas.
This is the mentality of people, selfish, uncaring individuals.
Redundancies, pay cuts or no pay rises affect many people but they carry on. Most of us cannot afford to go on strike even if we wanted to.
Why do BA staff think they are a special case? Because they are obviously overpaid.
Apparently, according to the news, this issue has been unresolved for 9 months so why did the management not make more of an effort to get it resolved before the union had this optimum time of year to make an inpact ?
At the site I work at I am a union rep (notTGWU/UNITE) Ive never been in a union in my life until I started here .Due to the way the employees were treated , I joined as the shop steward at the time wasnt taking any crap from the management and would fight anyones corner. I had an accident at work which they refused to pay me for caused by dangerous equipment- the attitude was “if you want paid - sue us”.
So i got the union on the case- sued em! and won ( although i did 99% of the work myself) .
I then became a rep to try to help others in similar situations etc, so far I’ve only had 1 guy dissmissed(he resigned first!) while ive been a rep and that was because there was undisputable evidence of theft! Thats in 4yrs!
I fight for my members on my site with grievances/problems etc - we dont strike, we shout about whos job is whos and walk out if a driver does a loaders job- thats old hat, it has changed since 1970!
I try to keep people in a job who fall foul of the management.
The union is only as strong as its members - and most are pretty weak or scared to stand up to management " in case they lose their jobs".
If they knew a little about employment law or their contract they could sort most problems themselves, but some people need others to do it for them.
I find management like to use scare tactics and bully people- I try to prevent that.
Unions are a good thing in a bad workplace if the stewards want to do the job- (I dont get paid to do it!)
Sometimes I wonder why I do it- others times I enjoy it.
It does put you in the firing line of the management at times though
Our problems on our site dont effect the country its pretty much site related, but we do our bit.
Perhaps that is where the expression “lambs to the slaughter” originates.
The problem is that nothing is ever learnt by strikes.
Scargill led his members to the demise of their jobs. He did McGregors job for him by letting the pits fall into disrepair and collected his pay and pension for doing so.
What members seem to forget is that THEY are the union and if they don’t like the union hierarchy they have the right to vote them out. They just don’t seem to use it.
orys:
Lublin Van Factory (this time not only unions are to blame: factory was bought by LDV to get their hands of the prototypes, then they sold the factory keeping the rights to it, LDV Maxus was supposed to be new Lublin van )
but when the administrators of daewoo motor polska sold most of the production line equipment for 10% of book value, LDV couldn’t say no, but none of the factory and lots of the other machinery (paint line, wheel shop etc) was never theirs to sell
we did about 70 oversize loads out of there (there were also 200+ tilts) and felt proud to be bringing some industry TO the UK for a change - shame it’s now all ■■■■ up, and I have a feeling that if and when it all moves again it’ll be going on a big ship half way around the globe, to a non-unionised factory!
orys:
Lublin Van Factory (this time not only unions are to blame: factory was bought by LDV to get their hands of the prototypes, then they sold the factory keeping the rights to it, LDV Maxus was supposed to be new Lublin van )
but when the administrators of daewoo motor polska sold most of the production line equipment for 10% of book value, LDV couldn’t say no, but none of the factory and lots of the other machinery (paint line, wheel shop etc) was never theirs to sell
we did about 70 oversize loads out of there (there were also 200+ tilts) and felt proud to be bringing some industry TO the UK for a change - shame it’s now all ■■■■ up, and I have a feeling that if and when it all moves again it’ll be going on a big ship half way around the globe, to a non-unionised factory!
Yeah… But I remember from reading the press: they sold it so cheap because LDV promised to keep production in Poland… Suddenly they changed their minds just after they bought it…
but this is off course only the press speculations i used to read, I don’t want to be kept responsible for these words
orys:
Yeah… But I remember from reading the press: they sold it so cheap because LDV promised to keep production in Poland… Suddenly they changed their minds just after they bought it…
but this is off course only the press speculations i used to read, I don’t want to be kept responsible for these words
i don’t know about that, sounds far fetched that a deal that size wouldn’t be ■■■■■■■ tight to begin with, but truth is often stranger than fiction good initial post anyway Orys
At the site I work at I am a union rep (notTGWU/UNITE) Ive never been in a union in my life until I started here .Due to the way the employees were treated , I joined as the shop steward at the time wasnt taking any crap from the management and would fight anyones corner. I had an accident at work which they refused to pay me for caused by dangerous equipment- the attitude was “if you want paid - sue us”.
So i got the union on the case- sued em! and won ( although i did 99% of the work myself) .
I then became a rep to try to help others in similar situations etc, so far I’ve only had 1 guy dissmissed(he resigned first!) while ive been a rep and that was because there was undisputable evidence of theft! Thats in 4yrs!
I fight for my members on my site with grievances/problems etc - we dont strike, we shout about whos job is whos and walk out if a driver does a loaders job- thats old hat, it has changed since 1970!
I try to keep people in a job who fall foul of the management.
The union is only as strong as its members - and most are pretty weak or scared to stand up to management " in case they lose their jobs".
If they knew a little about employment law or their contract they could sort most problems themselves, but some people need others to do it for them.
I find management like to use scare tactics and bully people- I try to prevent that.
Unions are a good thing in a bad workplace if the stewards want to do the job- (I dont get paid to do it!)
Sometimes I wonder why I do it- others times I enjoy it.
It does put you in the firing line of the management at times though
Our problems on our site dont effect the country its pretty much site related, but we do our bit.
orys:
Yeah… But I remember from reading the press: they sold it so cheap because LDV promised to keep production in Poland… Suddenly they changed their minds just after they bought it…
but this is off course only the press speculations i used to read, I don’t want to be kept responsible for these words
i don’t know about that, sounds far fetched that a deal that size wouldn’t be ■■■■■■■ tight to begin with, but truth is often stranger than fiction good initial post anyway Orys
Yes, that’s why I say that I don’t want to get into it, as I don’t know too much about the case.
But I remember reading papers when they were saying that LDV will save the factory, the workplaces and so on, and the shock after they did not…
I think that there was something that they sold the factory to someone who promised to keep the production running, but this time the deal wasn’t secured so strict… But I don’t know and have no time to dig for that just now…
