if you ever park next to b&q at redhouse doncaster there is a asda driver who bips his horn at all the trucks parked up when he leaves the xdc there
tango boy:
The boy racers are just as bad when they rev their cars next to you late at night and then wheel spin away
No respect and they haven’t got a clue about the fact that we might be starting at the early hours of the morning!!!
TOSSERS!!!
The boy racers you sometimes get on the ind est at ■■■■■■■ ain’t too bad to be honest. I’ve parked there a few Sunday nights when I have had an early tip in Catrine and they stay well away from you and don’t have the music blasting out or doing burn outs when you have the curtains closed.
I once parked on the car/lorry park one night at Ringwood and the boy racers were doing the usual thing of being pricks in their 1 litre Shopping trolleys whilst me and about 6 other drivers were trying to get our head down so I just rang the non emergency number for the old bill and explained the situation and how I and the other drivers couldn’t get any kip due to the ■■■■■■■■■ doing burnouts, blasting music and shouting.
About 10 mins later a cop car came and made them all leave the car park and it came back a couple of times to make sure they hadn’t returned.
Conor:
When was this then? There’s an old black and white film called “Hell Drivers” made in 1957 about tipper drivers and they were running around in that as bad as they do now and I’m sure that if you watch it you’ll recognise a lot of the stuff they do in that from what you see today. So I’d love to know where in time the overall high standards you talk of was. There’s always been idiots behind the wheel of wagons and because of the lack of restrictions compared to now, were far worse than its possible to be today.Truck driving tended to be the choice for thick people, those who were incapable of doing much else, because the pay and conditions were so crap that it was the only job they could do which would give them a reasonable income, albeit for doing twice the hours everyone else was. You did get people who wanted to do it for the freedom of the open road but a large percentage were doing it because of little chance of getting a job earning the same money elsewhere. Just look on this very forum for proof, the number of people who are effectively functionally illiterate and innumerate is extremely high as a percentage in comparison to elsewhere. Outside of truck driving what are their chances of getting a job paying £30k or more a year? Next to nought.
Finally we’re not professional drivers, we’re vocational drivers. There is no such thing as a professional driver. Just because you get paid for things that others do does not make you professional. Just because you require a higher qualification than others do to do the task does not make you professional. You can be “professional” in your outlook and how you do the job but that does not make you a professional driver. “Knights of the road” is nothing more than a twee idea in the minds of the elderly looking back through rose tinted glasses.
I agree with a lot but not all of what you say.
Firstly "Hell Drivers’’ was fiction based on haulage at that time, but exaggerated for dramatic effect (a bit like Stobby,s trucks and trailers tv but more believable 
) whether it was typical of transport at that time, I don’t know I wasn’t around, if you were then fair enough.
I started in 79, OK I ain’t saying that every driver at that time was perfect, but at least then the wheat was separated from the chaff, as unlike today you needed to master a set of skills to move on from a car to a truck, using crash boxes, roping and sheeting, map reading etc to name a few.
Maybe I am guilty of using my rosy specs but professionalism was more prevalent then, for eg. you were more often than not let in and out on the road, basically never had your mirrors nearly removed when being (almost ) overtook, as everybody flashed everybody in, never left out in lane 2 when pulling over to let another truck out, and all the other ■■■■ poor displays of driving that we see today. You are right there has always been idiots, even then, but at that time, unlike today they were in a small minority.
Your view on all drivers then being thick people is maybe a bit harsh, I’m assuming you will include me in that 
so hey, thanks, but I jacked in after qualifying for a trade in engineering to do this, so that may have been another of your generalised sweeping statements.
I agree you never had to be exactly capable of achieving a first class degree to be a driver, but you don’t need to be, so maybe that opinion is irrelevant anyway, as well as a bit patronising 
On the same point, just because some of the lads on here are not academically gifted, it does not necessarily mean that they are incompetent at their job as a driver, and who are you to say that they could not get a decent well paid job, my eldest lad left school with nothing, today at 27 he has worked himself up to Head Technician at our local Ford dealership, today he is off to Ford Daventry on yet another course, and is on a hell of a lot more money than me for half the hours.
As for crap money at that time, I can remember making good money in the 80s, and if you were lucky to get on for some Dutch outfits then it was a lot more than you got for UK co.s
We can agree on the ‘Knights of the road’ thing being total ■■■■■■■■, it has never been so.
As for professional or vocational, if you drive a truck for a living, or as a profession, and you do it with professionalism, and competently, well I would say you could be classed as a ‘professional driver’.
robroy:
Conor:
When was this then? There’s an old black and white film called “Hell Drivers” made in 1957 about tipper drivers and they were running around in that as bad as they do now and I’m sure that if you watch it you’ll recognise a lot of the stuff they do in that from what you see today. So I’d love to know where in time the overall high standards you talk of was. There’s always been idiots behind the wheel of wagons and because of the lack of restrictions compared to now, were far worse than its possible to be today.Truck driving tended to be the choice for thick people, those who were incapable of doing much else, because the pay and conditions were so crap that it was the only job they could do which would give them a reasonable income, albeit for doing twice the hours everyone else was. You did get people who wanted to do it for the freedom of the open road but a large percentage were doing it because of little chance of getting a job earning the same money elsewhere. Just look on this very forum for proof, the number of people who are effectively functionally illiterate and innumerate is extremely high as a percentage in comparison to elsewhere. Outside of truck driving what are their chances of getting a job paying £30k or more a year? Next to nought.
Finally we’re not professional drivers, we’re vocational drivers. There is no such thing as a professional driver. Just because you get paid for things that others do does not make you professional. Just because you require a higher qualification than others do to do the task does not make you professional. You can be “professional” in your outlook and how you do the job but that does not make you a professional driver. “Knights of the road” is nothing more than a twee idea in the minds of the elderly looking back through rose tinted glasses.
I agree with a lot but not all of what you say.
Firstly "Hell Drivers’’ was fiction based on haulage at that time, but exaggerated for dramatic effect (a bit like Stobby,s trucks and trailers tv but more believable
I started in 79, OK I ain’t saying that every driver at that time was perfect, but at least then the wheat was separated from the chaff, as unlike today you needed to master a set of skills to move on from a car to a truck, using crash boxes, roping and sheeting, map reading etc to name a few.
Maybe I am guilty of using my rosy specs but professionalism was more prevalent then, for eg. you were more often than not let in and out on the road, basically never had your mirrors nearly removed when being (almost
Your view on all drivers then being thick people is maybe a bit harsh, I’m assuming you will include me in that
I agree you never had to be exactly capable of achieving a first class degree to be a driver, but you don’t need to be, so maybe that opinion is irrelevant anyway, as well as a bit patronising
On the same point, just because some of the lads on here are not academically gifted, it does not necessarily mean that they are incompetent at their job as a driver, and who are you to say that they could not get a decent well paid job, my eldest lad left school with nothing, today at 27 he has worked himself up to Head Technician at our local Ford dealership, today he is off to Ford Daventry on yet another course, and is on a hell of a lot more money than me for half the hours.
As for crap money at that time, I can remember making good money in the 80s, and if you were lucky to get on for some Dutch outfits then it was a lot more than you got for UK co.s
We can agree on the ‘Knights of the road’ thing being total ■■■■■■■■, it has never been so.
As for professional or vocational, if you drive a truck for a living, or as a profession, and you do it with professionalism, and competently, well I would say you could be classed as a ‘professional driver’.
Phew, thats handy, robroy has saved me all the hassle. Whilst i’d agree that perhaps my use of “knights of the road” was a bit o.t.t, i do firmly believe there is a big difference between a “professional” truck driver and a “vocational” driver, but perhaps thats just silly old me and my rose tinted spectacles. Yes there have always been good and bad drivers, but i really think that the standards of truck drivers/truck driving has come down in more recent years, but that may only be my opinion.
I left school with all my o’ levels and 2 a’ levels but always knew that i only ever wanted to be a truck driver and so settled into office work for a few years until i was old enough to do my class 1. There is no doubting that there are a percentage of people doing this job as it may be all they can do for a reasonable wage, and i have to agree that some are not doing the industry any real favours, but i don’t like to tar everyone with the same brush.
There are certainly a percentage of drivers out there that are purely vocational drivers as you put it, but i still like to think there is also a reasonable percentage of drivers that still go about the job with a more “professional” attitude towards it than some of the brain dead knuckle draggers that are sat behind a wheel these days.
Were you causing an obstruction? Just thinking that maybe if there are up to ten trucks parked in a line round a bend maybe he was beeping the horn because of the way the trucks were parked
robroy:
I know that driver quality over the years has been dumbed down to the point that being a complete ■■■■■■ is no longer a barrier for obtaining a Class 1 , and we all see it every day, but I was amazed the other day that it has included special needs people…
I ain’t on about crap or dangerous driving this time, just pure bellendnessI was sat at Walton Summit Ind est on Thurs morning about 5ish after a night out, sat doing checks paperwork etc. I was in a long line of motors parked up, with about 3 in front of me, and about 5 or 6 in front of them round a bend in the road. All I could hear was a loud horn every 5 or so seconds, then this white DAF unit came around the corner blasted his horn at each of the 3 motors in front of me, didn’t do anything when he got alongside me, then continued to blast the horn at the 3 motors behind me (all with the curtains drawn) then I realized this prick was having a laugh by deliberately trying to wake everybody up
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I just couldn’t believe it, ok, I have seen young lads in cars that know no better doing it, but another driver?
Words just failed me, we all like a laugh, but at what point in this prick’s mind did he think that it was funny to interrupt driver’s daily rest period with all the potential consequences it could bring on.
No doubt some of the regular hard of thinking on here will also think it is funny, but I was aiming at real drivers for their views.
You have just shown your true colours and standards.
Obviously the “well below intelligence” of a standard steering wheel attendant.
Specials Needs has nothing to do with being a bellend, being a bellend should be renamed to being a RobRoy, he is a bellend after making statements like the above about Special Needs.
Now run along little boy. You effin knob.
I don’t think much has changed in the lorry game at all. I can remember going out with my old man over 40yrs ago and him having the opinion that some of his workmates were self pleasurers, leaving lorries in a mess, not checking oil and water, being a bloke to avoid on a night out etc.
There were also those that you definitely didn’t want loading your trailer for you, not much different to when I started 28yrs ago.
I’ve worked alongside some proper ■■■■■ in my time, seen drivers do the most stupid things and a spell behind the desk completely removed any notions I had that the knight of the road existed.
This kind of stuff has been happening since the day the second wheel was made, but now it’s on the Internet so we get to hear about things we would’ve been lucky enough to miss before the Internet age.
robroy:
I know that driver quality over the years has been dumbed down to the point that being a complete ■■■■■■ is no longer a barrier for obtaining a Class 1 , and we all see it every day, but I was amazed the other day that it has included special needs people…
I ain’t on about crap or dangerous driving this time, just pure bellendnessI was sat at Walton Summit Ind est on Thurs morning about 5ish after a night out, sat doing checks paperwork etc. I was in a long line of motors parked up, with about 3 in front of me, and about 5 or 6 in front of them round a bend in the road. All I could hear was a loud horn every 5 or so seconds, then this white DAF unit came around the corner blasted his horn at each of the 3 motors in front of me, didn’t do anything when he got alongside me, then continued to blast the horn at the 3 motors behind me (all with the curtains drawn) then I realized this prick was having a laugh by deliberately trying to wake everybody up
I just couldn’t believe it, ok, I have seen young lads in cars that know no better doing it, but another driver?
Words just failed me, we all like a laugh, but at what point in this prick’s mind did he think that it was funny to interrupt driver’s daily rest period with all the potential consequences it could bring on.
No doubt some of the regular hard of thinking on here will also think it is funny
Really no different from the V8 scanny brigade who like to rev their engines as they pull into the services at 3AM… 
DadsRetired:
robroy:
I know that driver quality over the years has been dumbed down to the point that being a complete ■■■■■■ is no longer a barrier for obtaining a Class 1 , and we all see it every day, but I was amazed the other day that it has included special needs people…
I ain’t on about crap or dangerous driving this time, just pure bellendnessI was sat at Walton Summit Ind est on Thurs morning about 5ish after a night out, sat doing checks paperwork etc. I was in a long line of motors parked up, with about 3 in front of me, and about 5 or 6 in front of them round a bend in the road. All I could hear was a loud horn every 5 or so seconds, then this white DAF unit came around the corner blasted his horn at each of the 3 motors in front of me, didn’t do anything when he got alongside me, then continued to blast the horn at the 3 motors behind me (all with the curtains drawn) then I realized this prick was having a laugh by deliberately trying to wake everybody up
I just couldn’t believe it, ok, I have seen young lads in cars that know no better doing it, but another driver?
Words just failed me, we all like a laugh, but at what point in this prick’s mind did he think that it was funny to interrupt driver’s daily rest period with all the potential consequences it could bring on.
No doubt some of the regular hard of thinking on here will also think it is funnyYou have just shown your true colours and standards.
Obviously the “well below intelligence” of a standard steering wheel attendant.
Specials Needs has nothing to do with being a bellend, being a bellend should be renamed to being a RobRoy, he is a bellend after making statements like the above about Special Needs.
Now run along little boy. You effin knob.
Wow! I could get into a slagging match with you but having read your post it may be not the right way to go about it.
Firstly I will address your personal attack on me, I could say that you have resorted to it because of a limited vocabulary, however by your statement before it you have shown to the contrary, so I can only assume that you have first hand experience of special needs people and that my casual throw away comment has offended you.
If that is so can I say that my perhaps misguided terminology was on reflection bit crass and bordering on obtuse, and that it was not my intention to offend you or anybody else.
Can I just apologize to you as I can now see how I would feel in the circumstances that I have rightly or wrongly perceived you to be in. I will choose my words more carefully in future, and not use the words ‘special needs’ in a derogatory way.
I hope you accept my apology. RR
Night-and-day:
Were you causing an obstruction? Just thinking that maybe if there are up to ten trucks parked in a line round a bend maybe he was beeping the horn because of the way the trucks were parked
No.
I go to Whalton Summit sometimes and find it annoying when a load of idiots park up on the stretch leading to the mini roundabout at the Iveco dealers and all around the bend.
Quite often trailers are dropped there and others are doing changeovers while others are parked for the night.
It is dangerous as you have to drive around the bend on the wrong side of the road without being able to see if anything is coming.
once you have risked meeting someone head on you are then at the roundabout whith a long row of trucks blocking the road on the other side heading towards the auctions.
You then end up blocking the roundabout as you have to wait for traffic coming down the road.
I appoligise if you where parked in a different place but it sounds like the other driver was not a ■■■■ but letting you know you are!
If I cant get parked on the estate I would find somewhere else to park rather than the place I have mentioned.
I know ther are no double yellow lines there (there should be) but common sense should tell you it is not a sensible place to park.
This just shows there is always two sides to a storey.
Only the other week a driver was calling another driver a ■■■■ on this site for parking in front of him in a layby and posted a picture.
The funny thing was he had clearly crossed solid double white lines to park in the layby on the other side of the road facing on coming traffic and he was in ther wrong not the other driver.
I go to Whalton Summit sometimes and find it annoying when a load of idiots park up on the stretch leading to the mini roundabout at the Iveco dealers and all around the bend.
Quite often trailers are dropped there and others are doing changeovers while others are parked for the night.
It is dangerous as you have to drive around the bend on the wrong side of the road without being able to see if anything is coming.
once you have risked meeting someone head on you are then at the roundabout whith a long row of trucks blocking the road on the other side heading towards the auctions.
You then end up blocking the roundabout as you have to wait for traffic coming down the road.
I appoligise if you where parked in a different place but it sounds like the other driver was not a ■■■■ but letting you know you are!
If I cant get parked on the estate I would find somewhere else to park rather than the place I have mentioned.
I know ther are no double yellow lines there (there should be) but common sense should tell you it is not a sensible place to park.
This just shows there is always two sides to a storey.
Only the other week a driver was calling another driver a ■■■■ on this site for parking in front of him in a layby and posted a picture.
The funny thing was he had clearly crossed solid double white lines to park in the layby on the other side of the road facing on coming traffic and he was in ther wrong not the other driver.
nab:
I go to Whalton Summit sometimes and find it annoying when a load of idiots park up on the stretch leading to the mini roundabout at the Iveco dealers and all around the bend.
Quite often trailers are dropped there and others are doing changeovers while others are parked for the night.
It is dangerous as you have to drive around the bend on the wrong side of the road without being able to see if anything is coming.
once you have risked meeting someone head on you are then at the roundabout whith a long row of trucks blocking the road on the other side heading towards the auctions.
You then end up blocking the roundabout as you have to wait for traffic coming down the road.
I appoligise if you where parked in a different place but it sounds like the other driver was not a ■■■■ but letting you know you are!
If I cant get parked on the estate I would find somewhere else to park rather than the place I have mentioned.
I know ther are no double yellow lines there (there should be) but common sense should tell you it is not a sensible place to park.
This just shows there is always two sides to a storey.
Yeh, that’s a fair comment and I have also experienced the difficulties on there that you mention, but just dealt with it accordingly realizing that it would maybe not be their first choice if circumstances were different, rather than write them off as idiots.
I was parked further down towards the t junction, I did not say it was ideal but we all know the situation with lack of parking, so I would have thought that most drivers would have treat the situation with empathy rather than add to the problem by deliberately waking them up, so I still stand by my description as him being a ■■■■.
Another thing even if in his opinion it was not a suitable place, what did he hope to achieve by being some jumped up self appointed kind of judge.
Bearing in mind you go to WS, and appear to agree with this guy, was it you and are you prepared to admit it?
No I was not driving a DAF as I prefer a quality truck!
I was somewhere else that night.
I am happy to admit to sounding my horn at idiots parking in such a way that it puts me and other vehicles at a risk.
I do not go round trying to annoy people for fun.
If I sounded my horn, it is to make the other driver aware of my disatisfaction in the dangerous way they have parked.
When I have had problems parking up at Whalton Summit I have chose to go over my hours rather than park in such a manner as mentioned.
nab:
No I was not driving a DAF as I prefer a quality truck!
I was somewhere else that night.
I am happy to admit to sounding my horn at idiots parking in such a way that it puts me and other vehicles at a risk.
I do not go round trying to annoy people for fun.
If I sounded my horn, it is to make the other driver aware of my disatisfaction in the dangerous way they have parked.
When I have had problems parking up at Whalton Summit I have chose to go over my hours rather than park in such a manner as mentioned.
I don’t condone parking somewhere dangerous, but neither do I consider myself so self righteous and arrogant to go around showing displeasure at others that maybe more than likely given the parking situation have had no choice other than to do so.
If I was and did, I would be thinking that maybe in a round about way I could potentially be responsible for an accident on the motorway later on in the day caused by driver fatigue, and only because I chose to make a point in a childish manner.
Neither would I get into the situation of driving over my time, (especially if I was going abroad where they tend to take a retrospective dim view) and where do you park when you go over your time, and how far do you go over exactly, the only places I can think of in any direction from WS are up to an hour away, assuming that there are spaces left so late at night
As for making a judgment on whether or not a truck is parked in a dangerous manner, surely that is the job of the Police and not yours.
No offense but don’t park on an industrial estate then.
What’s wrong with driving past then carefully, slowly and QUIETLY ? And if it upsets you that much, take all their numbers and race round to the local nick and report them. Why just be an annoying prick.
taffytrucker:
No offense but don’t park on an industrial estate then.
Thanks for that contribution mate, but I don’t park in lay bys for reasons maybe not obvious to you, I don’t park in MSAs as I have an aversion to being ■■■■■■ financially, so I try to park somewhere a short walk from facilities which I have managed to do for last 30+ years, but hey, thanks for your input and advice
The way I see it is this, you guys park where you want, I don’t care if it is deemed unsafe for you cos it’s none of my business and if you get nicked same again. Nimbys and jumped up local councilors seeking votes drove us out of town lorry parks and closed them, but total knob heads and self appointed traffic marshalls like the guy in question (and apparently a couple on here ) ain’t going to drive me into unfit for purpose ■■■■ hole lay bys. Cheers.
Conor:
[. Finally we’re not professional drivers, we’re vocational drivers. There is no such thing as a professional driver. Just because you get paid for things that others do does not make you professional. Just because you require a higher qualification than others do to do the task does not make you professional. You can be “professional” in your outlook and how you do the job but that does not make you a professional driver. .
Conor, you’re singing from My hymn sheet, I refer to Myself as a Tradesman, mainly because I didn’t gain My vocational qualification at University, such as a Doctor or Architect or Lawyer or many many more career paths were the qualification are somewhat more cerebal and take years to obtain, unlike driving a truck, or laying bricks, or many other worthy Trades. I believe that it is an insult to true professionals when people raise the status off this vocation to a profession. I know the value to society of My work, and certainly don’t suffer any kind off inferiority complex, maybe that’s why I’m happy to accept that I’m a tradesman.
scotstrucker:
if you ever park next to b&q at redhouse doncaster there is a asda driver who bips his horn at all the trucks parked up when he leaves the xdc there
Got too say I’ve never heard him, but that’s probably because the music from B&Q blots all other noise out
nab:
No I was not driving a DAF as I prefer a quality truck!
I was somewhere else that night.
I am happy to admit to sounding my horn at idiots parking in such a way that it puts me and other vehicles at a risk.
I do not go round trying to annoy people for fun.
If I sounded my horn, it is to make the other driver aware of my disatisfaction in the dangerous way they have parked.
When I have had problems parking up at Whalton Summit I have chose to go over my hours rather than park in such a manner as mentioned.
You go there at night, and you can’t judge if it’s safe or not? Surely the headlights of your vehicle and of any oncoming vehicles would make that easier?
I’m sorry mate, I agree with Robroy (for a vary rare change) in that you sound like a complete ■■■■.
DO NOT beep your horn to show your dis-satisfaction of someone elses parking, what will it achieve? If it bothers you that much then report it to the industrial estate owners and the police.
To be fair though, if you can’t handle driving a truck in places where you may not be able to see if it’s safe or not, and slow down and drive appropriately, then just maybe you’re in the wrong job