Ukraine [merged]

Sheeple…Blue pill, red pill…
…everything on YouTube is true…

Galloway the well know fan of Saddam Hussein, Irans Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrias Bashar al-Assad, Venezuelan`s Hugo Chávez, member of Respect Party and Big Brother personality (irony is not dead)!; TV presenter for Press TV (Iran owned), Al Mayadeen TV (Iran and Syria backed), and of course, Sputnik, and Russia Today, …
…is the one to trust…of course he is…

youtube.com/watch?v=XEIS3wKm6JM&t=0s

George Galloway mid week special on Ukraine.
Anyone who wants a version of events not fed to you via the usual sources by those who own the world’s media might want to view this, the first 35 minutes of George speaking are an eye opener, the interview with Scott Ritter superb.

Franglais:
Sheeple…Blue pill, red pill…
…everything on YouTube is true…

Galloway the well know fan of Saddam Hussein, Irans Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrias Bashar al-Assad, Venezuelan`s Hugo Chávez, member of Respect Party and Big Brother personality (irony is not dead)!; TV presenter for Press TV (Iran owned), Al Mayadeen TV (Iran and Syria backed), and of course, Sputnik, and Russia Today, …
…is the one to trust…of course he is…

Stop suppin’ that government koolaid, It’s not good for you.

Juddian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEIS3wKm6JM&t=0s

George Galloway mid week special on Ukraine.
Anyone who wants a version of events not fed to you via the usual sources by those who own the world’s media might want to view this, the first 35 minutes of George speaking are an eye opener, the interview with Scott Ritter superb.

Absolutely What an eye opener this podcast was, I’m just watching the condensed version again ‘I smell a rat’ how it was a war of choice by NATO & needn’t never have happened . youtube.com/watch?v=RRJLPwlbypM

Franglais:

lancpudn:
You really are trying everything in the book to excuse this NATO led debacle aren’t you? Then why are they destroying evidence at those bio labs? Something to hide maybe? Are we finally going to see where the original strain of Covid-19 came from?

Better than any conspiracy site to date!

Putin expected a clear run in. He didn`t get one.
Likely, Putin under-estimated the sheer prescence of the Far Left Socialists that have already admitted to taking up arms, killing hundreds of Russian conscripts, killing a crack squad sent to assassinate Delensky, massacring tank after tank, aircraft after aircraft, all the while never been seeing doing this on our screens whilst every wrecked piece of kit, signs of fighting aftermath gets put up next to some atrocity that could easily have been caused by “plunging fire”, “Friendly Fire”, or even deliberate false-flag throwdowns by these Ukrainian Nationalist Socialist Death Squads that only differ from the German versions of Nazis in that they are more likely to wear Civies and dead Russian Uniforms than any kind of uniform of their own

Now he and his propagandists and apologists are on full alert.
To break the Ukranians his army are bringing in conscripts. Their advance has stalled and giving no ■■■■ for anyone he is using stronger and worse tactics. Shelling civilian sites and fleeing refugees.
Putin is a chess player. His Conscripts would be his “Pawns”. There are 20 opening moves you can make in Chess, 16 of them involve “moving a pawn”. Two of them - (P-KB3?) is a notorious first “bad move” that can lead to checkmate in two moves per side, of which that move is the first… (the full set “Fool’s Mate” - P-KB3? P-K4 P-KN4■■ Q-KR5++) There’s not a chance that Putin has made the classic fool’s mate here, but EVERY chance his moves thus far are a “Feint” to lure out these elusive Neos that seem to be ultra-effective at the most horrid guerilla warfare, quite happy to murder their own people (as they have done for the past 8 years, don’t forget…) and pin down everyone else in Ukraine that might try to stop him on the way… The invasion only happened to start with because the Minsk accord was not followed as agreed, and the rest of the world (let alone Kiev) - failed to recognize the breakway states as “independents”. Since these conscripts were so easy to capture, - who was shelling the civilians again? Who’s left to DO it even?

Suddenly inventing now, after days of nothing, secret US chem labs! Really? The existance of these Chem labs - have been an issue for some time already, dealing in endemic diseases in Eastern Europe, such as TB for instance. It is as bad a kept-secret as Porton Down in Britain.

Why no mention before this invasion and land grab?

Why are the West so scared that these labs might fall into Russian hands - IF their contents are entirely benign? Are they not contradicting themselves saying one minute there’s “Nothing harmful here, move along” followed by “We must not let these labs fall into Russian hands, lest they unleash bio/chemical warfare on the surrounding region”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AugzqXPYaOc DC have already admitted a lot of stuff here, this isn’t a “conspiracy theory” that they’ve said this - it’s already been admitted.

It is preparation to him deploying Russian bio and chem weapons as he did in Syria.
Syria was accused of using Chlorine on the basis that it would be well nigh impossible to “Prove the negative” - ie prove you don’t have any domestos bottles anywhere in any store cupboard in your entire regime. Chlorine blanches bodies, but the pictures of bodies shown - were blackened, suggesting that they were victims of a nerve agent such as Sarin, and in any case the pictures - were debunked as from 2014, and likely launched by a Turkish attack, to which the Western authorities - chose to look the other way, as Turkey was the darling would-be EU and NATO member at the time.
“Oh look! The Ukranians are bombing/poisoning themselves”…

Doubtless some will believe Galloway/Haw-Haw and others who make money by peddling lies. Most of us won`t.

This is a simple old fashioned land grab.
If I’m right in my approximations, then Putin will end this war as soon as the entire land east of the river is given up. Kiev - will not ever need to be invaded if that is so. Kiev can keep itself, Putin has no friends there, nor many Neo enemies neither.
The Post-Putin Peace would be a Ukraine split straight down that river then. IF I’m right. If I’m wrong? There’s plenty of ways I could be of course, and in the meantime it is a game of Chess in which Putin is very good at - vs the Empire of Lies Propaganda machine that has to be said - has done GREAT damage to Putin (and collateral financial damage to the rest of us on Earth come to that…) but only brings him down IF he doesn’t hold as much power as the west seems to think… If he IS as popular as Russia reckons he is - then the Ukrainians are going to be let down very badly, and I suspect NATO already has intel that is screaming at them to “let this go, you cannot win this - Ukraine must be sacrificed to save the rest of us on Earth” - the very acme of a Chess-based tactical win.

The number of Anti-Putin lefties in Russia - is a lot lower than actually likely exist, simply because most of them are already in exile by this point, or “got rid of” in other ways. FFS the Leader of the so-called “Opposition” is in Jail - isn’t he?
He may be fooling some of his people with stories of protecting them, but we here (most of us) aren`t fooled by your nonsense.

The US is not a saint, nor are the EU, and the UK isn`t either.
But they are nowhere near as bad as this nasty, selfish, and soon to fail regime in Russia.
Russia is right wing now, it’s true - but this Far Right regime is up against the secretive National Socialist actual de facto ■■■■ regime that has been going around killing Russian Ukranians for 8 years already, all the while the west does’t give a toss. Putin - to his mandate - has decided to do something about THAT. Now, if you don’t believe ANY of the reasons for what has been going on here - why bother believing any of the clear and obvious propaganda throwdowns that we’re been seeing for the past 8 years as well, the worst of them - MH17 being shot down by these same Neo gone-to-ground militias that Kiev entirely denies, the West looks the other way on, whilst Putin got blamed for an atrocity that killed so many (mainly Dutch) citizens “All to make Putin look bad” using some old surplus BUK missile system left over from the cold war… These past few days, we’ve now seen “Clusterbombs” used a couple of times, rather than the hundreds of times they would have been used if Russia were actually delpoying them. What next? Babies being hit with Flamethrowers, but strangely no sign of the assailants, but some dead nearby convenient Russian conscripts to blame? Some Hospital being hit with Phospherous incenderies? or even a Gas Attack in an area that is not even held by the Neo Death Squad at this time? Why would Putin launch a faux flag attack on his own already demoralized troops using weapons he’ll get ever-more sanctions for using? - Answer - He Isn’t - the whole LOT is a ultra violent CIVIL WAR with people getting butchered every day.

When the truth gets back to grass roots Russians, when they see their sons fighting Ukranians, not liberating them, when the Russian death toll rises the word will spread in Russia.
The Russians back home - will now have to watch smuggled-out footage taken in places like Odessa, which we’ve heard little about in the past few days, perhaps because the Russian troops have managed to make some decent headway there, without much fighting needed…?
Putin has gathered all the levers of power close to himself as Stalin did. It sin`t good for Russia nor anyone that we are where we are.
There is no easy way out. In the short term a deal can be negotiated, but a war resulting in some gain for Putin will keep in power and he will repeat the same tactics again.

The war stops tomorrow - if Ukraine gives up it’s Neos - which in turn, starts with the Ukraine leadership actually declaring that the Neos actually EXIST… Chances are, they are concentrated in the East of Ukraine at this point, with their stronghold being Kharkiv. I suspect Odessa is already in Russian hands, peacefully annexed like Crimea was. The live cams - have gone, to be replaced by some Kiev-broadcast propaganda news channel in their place. So much for “no censorship”.
The first place I tried to look once the invasion started (and it IS an invasion of course…) was the live cams - but no dice.

There’s even a rumour going around that Putin is dying from Bowel Cancer, and wants to blow up the world before he expires, likely around Easter time.
If that’s TRUE - then all the west has to do is “wait it out” - but I suspect this rumour has been put out there as “disinformation” by Putin himself - which of course, TRICKS the west into “doing nothing, and waiting” which suits Putin’s ongoing strategy fine. Again, If I’m correct, there will be a sudden win for Putin THIS side of Easter, and doesn’t involve Kiev being captured at all, that entire “siege” being a feint to take our minds of the clearnances taking place east of the River.

Winseer:
Putin’s ongoing strategy fine. Again, If I’m correct, there will be a sudden win for Putin

If I’m correct Ukraine is just a stepping stone on the way to Romania, Serbia and Hungary.Serbia is a Russian ally and Romania and Hungary aren’t up for war with Russia and Poland will be in an impossible isolated position.
All backed by the threat of preemptive nuke attack on UK if US and UK intervene.
He’ll probably open a Baltic front when Russian forces reach Serbia.
China will also open a Pacific front around then.
Bearing in mind that I don’t think Putin is controlling the agenda at all.
As I said WW3 was always going to be a ■■■■■ for us the choice was always surrender.
Or Massada but take them out with us.

Franglais:
Sheeple…Blue pill, red pill…
…everything on YouTube is true…

Galloway the well know fan of Saddam Hussein, Irans Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrias Bashar al-Assad, Venezuelan`s Hugo Chávez, member of Respect Party and Big Brother personality (irony is not dead)!; TV presenter for Press TV (Iran owned), Al Mayadeen TV (Iran and Syria backed), and of course, Sputnik, and Russia Today, …
…is the one to trust…of course he is…

He is a slimy self centered egotist. And as you said very friendly with dictators. No one should trust what Galloway says.
youtube.com/watch?v=bYS4Qofl-LY

I am very distrustful of what the government says. Which makes it hard to find objective sources. One thing for sure Galloway hates the west. You dont side with a person who sympathizes with sucidide bombers.
If you want to get your information from somewhere dont trust Galloway.

lancpudn:
[ it was a war of choice by NATO & needn’t never have happened

The Ukraine stunt was all part of NATOs deliberate change in strategy to dependence on conventional weapons containment of Russia.
It didn’t expect Russia’s threat of preemptive use of nukes against UK if NATO mobilised forces against Russias invasion of Ukraine.
That’s when NATO dropped Ukraine like a hot potato and ran away using the excuse that prospective membership doesn’t cut it.
Russia probably decided to let the issue of weapons supplies slide because of the risk v reward equation regarding an obvious plan to take NATO apart to a timetable and method of Russia’s choosing ( like a potential move into Romania/Serbia/Hungary next ).
The fact is NATOs whole mission is dependent on its willingness to face a strategic nuclear exchange with Russia.
Without that willingness NATO is a paper tiger.
While with it what’s the point of all the bs conventional sabre rattling and conventional warfare escalation process which is what got Ukraine trashed.

Just some context on US biolabs in Ukraine.

twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 … s-fault%2F

ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/s … n-program/

So, it seems there are no ‘USA labs’ in Ukraine. Yet, there are USA funded labs in Ukraine.

adam277:

Franglais:
Sheeple…Blue pill, red pill…
…everything on YouTube is true…

Galloway the well know fan of Saddam Hussein, Irans Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrias Bashar al-Assad, Venezuelan`s Hugo Chávez, member of Respect Party and Big Brother personality (irony is not dead)!; TV presenter for Press TV (Iran owned), Al Mayadeen TV (Iran and Syria backed), and of course, Sputnik, and Russia Today, …
…is the one to trust…of course he is…

He is a slimy self centered egotist. And as you said very friendly with dictators. No one should trust what Galloway says.
youtube.com/watch?v=bYS4Qofl-LY

I am very distrustful of what the government says. Which makes it hard to find objective sources. One thing for sure Galloway hates the west. You dont side with a person who sympathizes with sucidide bombers.
If you want to get your information from somewhere dont trust Galloway.

Ah yes George Galloway, friend of Sadasm Hussein,.a guy who made a name for himself by an articulate exchange in a meeting with US officials where he stood his ground to the point where they knew they had met their match.
Then he sold his soul to crappy reality tv, and assassinated his own credibility with this. :laughing:

youtu.be/KQA2X4yvK_g

youtu.be/uBe-jMLuFN0

Some things people will do for BIG money .

Most people only want to consider things our govts via their mainstream media broadcasting system tell them.

One might have thought the last 2 years would have seen more people realise that all is not well in the world of officially approved information.

One other thought on this.
Be careful you don’t wish yourselves into a war with Russia based on what the favoured media tell you.
One thing is common with any country who tries to take or invade Russia, hundreds of thousands or more of the invaders die every time, just think of this if you or your male children are of fighting age, as always those who make advertise promote sell and direct wars to make them richer and more powerful arn’t going to be the ones facing the fight, it’ll be the good old working classes (once again you’re the man Tommy) just like it’s always been and always will be doing the fighting and look where it gets them when its over.

Juddian:
Most people only want to consider things our govts via their mainstream media broadcasting system tell them.

One might have thought the last 2 years would have seen more people realise that all is not well in the world of officially approved information.

One other thought on this.
Be careful you don’t wish yourselves into a war with Russia based on what the favoured media tell you.
One thing is common with any country who tries to take or invade Russia, hundreds of thousands or more of the invaders die every time, just think of this if you or your male children are of fighting age, as always those who make advertise promote sell and direct wars to make them richer and more powerful arn’t going to be the ones facing the fight, it’ll be the good old working classes (once again you’re the man Tommy) just like it’s always been and always will be doing the fighting and look where it gets them when its over.

Far worse than that it’s in Russia’s interests to take out the UK with a massive strategic nuke strike betting that the US won’t want to escalate from there and NATO will then collapse.
Having said that WW3 is probably inevitable either way and there’s no way that we can live in peace with the Chinese and Russian elephants in the room.
I’d prefer to die on my feet than surrender to those enemy scum states.History is against any conspiracy theory which paints Communism as a force for good.Starting with the murder of the Tsar’s family even they admit to doing that.
This is why we had the French and Brit independent nuclear deterrents.But unfortunately don’t think that modern generations can get their heads around the Massada strategy and the Brit government was/is way to weak to be anything more than an American poodle.
The best strategy for us would be to forget about NATO and rely totally on the nuclear deterrent and be prepared to use it first no need to ask questions after.As it stands now we are more of a target than a credible force.

Ah! Mr mushroom has spoken! who deems it’s OK for the western media to close ranks so as to put a propagandist biased view out to it’s sheeple, Where’s that collie dog again? It says it all about your shallow mindedness when you go for personal attacks on a person to divert from the actual article of this thread. I want to know all sides to a story & the corners as well if I can search them out before I pin my colours to the mast.

Franglais:
Ukraine war: Oil price rises again due to fears over Russian shortfall

Does this not strike you as even remotely strange? The war is still in full swing, Russian oil & gas are still banned It has zero tro do with the supply & demand markets, Does it not get your spidey senses tingling that as soon as the American motorist starts to pay around $5 for his gallon the price suddenly drops!!! Never goes down for the European market & we’re still paying north of those prices. It’s all politicized to save Biden’s face, He’s been on the blower to the head choppers at OPEC to get some deal done to save his face. The Republicans are going full ton-tonto demanding Uncle Joe goes cap in hand to Iran to get oil off the USA’s arch enemy to discredit him. Certainly not gone down in price in my neck o the woods in fact it’s gone up 2p/litre since this propaganda was published.

adam277:

Franglais:
Sheeple…Blue pill, red pill…
…everything on YouTube is true…

Galloway the well know fan of Saddam Hussein, Irans Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrias Bashar al-Assad, Venezuelan`s Hugo Chávez, member of Respect Party and Big Brother personality (irony is not dead)!; TV presenter for Press TV (Iran owned), Al Mayadeen TV (Iran and Syria backed), and of course, Sputnik, and Russia Today, …
…is the one to trust…of course he is…

He is a slimy self centered egotist. And as you said very friendly with dictators. No one should trust what Galloway says.
youtube.com/watch?v=bYS4Qofl-LY

I am very distrustful of what the government says. Which makes it hard to find objective sources. One thing for sure Galloway hates the west. You dont side with a person who sympathizes with sucidide bombers.
If you want to get your information from somewhere dont trust Galloway.

Well you know what they say one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. If the US psychopaths didn’t have such calamitous money grubbing foreign policies & kept their oil grabbing hands out of other countries assets we wouldn’t have suicide bombers many of which are set up & funded by the USA themselves eh!

lancpudn:

Franglais:
Ukraine war: Oil price rises again due to fears over Russian shortfall

Does this not strike you as even remotely strange? The war is still in full swing, Russian oil & gas are still banned It has zero tro do with the supply & demand markets, Does it not get your spidey senses tingling that as soon as the American motorist starts to pay around $5 for his gallon the price suddenly drops!!! Never goes down for the European market & we’re still paying north of those prices. It’s all politicized to save Biden’s face, He’s been on the blower to the head choppers at OPEC to get some deal done to save his face. The Republicans are going full ton-tonto demanding Uncle Joe goes cap in hand to Iran to get oil off the USA’s arch enemy to discredit him. Certainly not gone down in price in my neck o the woods in fact it’s gone up 2p/litre since this propaganda was published.

IAccording to Joe everyone has already voted to ban the use of fossil fuel to save the planet.
Why would he want/need to save face by doing whatever it takes to maximise the supply of something that he’s said should be put out of use and which his voters have voted for him to remove from the market.
While pump prices have got everything to do with punitive taxation and carbon fines being applied to stop that use.

lancpudn:

adam277:

Franglais:
Sheeple…Blue pill, red pill…
…everything on YouTube is true…

Galloway the well know fan of Saddam Hussein, Irans Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrias Bashar al-Assad, Venezuelan`s Hugo Chávez, member of Respect Party and Big Brother personality (irony is not dead)!; TV presenter for Press TV (Iran owned), Al Mayadeen TV (Iran and Syria backed), and of course, Sputnik, and Russia Today, …
…is the one to trust…of course he is…

He is a slimy self centered egotist. And as you said very friendly with dictators. No one should trust what Galloway says.
youtube.com/watch?v=bYS4Qofl-LY

I am very distrustful of what the government says. Which makes it hard to find objective sources. One thing for sure Galloway hates the west. You dont side with a person who sympathizes with sucidide bombers.
If you want to get your information from somewhere dont trust Galloway.

Well you know what they say one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. If the US psychopaths didn’t have such calamitous money grubbing foreign policies & kept their oil grabbing hands out of other countries assets we wouldn’t have suicide bombers many of which are set up & funded by the USA themselves eh!

The US isn’t planning to invade Russia to take its oil.

As opposed to signing us all up to the Paris Accord because it doesn’t have the bottle to nuke Commy scum China and China wants our oil and food supplies.
Also chose a suicidal conventional containment defence strategy against Russia and now Russia has predictably called NATO out on it and Biden and Boris predictably ran away from a nuke fight.

lancpudn:

adam277:

Franglais:
Sheeple…Blue pill, red pill…
…everything on YouTube is true…

Galloway the well know fan of Saddam Hussein, Irans Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrias Bashar al-Assad, Venezuelan`s Hugo Chávez, member of Respect Party and Big Brother personality (irony is not dead)!; TV presenter for Press TV (Iran owned), Al Mayadeen TV (Iran and Syria backed), and of course, Sputnik, and Russia Today, …
…is the one to trust…of course he is…

He is a slimy self centered egotist. And as you said very friendly with dictators. No one should trust what Galloway says.
youtube.com/watch?v=bYS4Qofl-LY

I am very distrustful of what the government says. Which makes it hard to find objective sources. One thing for sure Galloway hates the west. You dont side with a person who sympathizes with sucidide bombers.
If you want to get your information from somewhere dont trust Galloway.

Well you know what they say one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. If the US psychopaths didn’t have such calamitous money grubbing foreign policies & kept their oil grabbing hands out of other countries assets we wouldn’t have suicide bombers many of which are set up & funded by the USA themselves eh!

I personally find it hard to justify sucide bombings.
You know how much Oil Afghanistan produces? ZERO.
According to most data Iraq sells most of its oil to China and Asia, like 8% ends up in America.

adam277:

lancpudn:

adam277:

Franglais:
Sheeple…Blue pill, red pill…
…everything on YouTube is true…

Galloway the well know fan of Saddam Hussein, Irans Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Syrias Bashar al-Assad, Venezuelan`s Hugo Chávez, member of Respect Party and Big Brother personality (irony is not dead)!; TV presenter for Press TV (Iran owned), Al Mayadeen TV (Iran and Syria backed), and of course, Sputnik, and Russia Today, …
…is the one to trust…of course he is…

He is a slimy self centered egotist. And as you said very friendly with dictators. No one should trust what Galloway says.
youtube.com/watch?v=bYS4Qofl-LY

I am very distrustful of what the government says. Which makes it hard to find objective sources. One thing for sure Galloway hates the west. You dont side with a person who sympathizes with sucidide bombers.
If you want to get your information from somewhere dont trust Galloway.

Well you know what they say one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. If the US psychopaths didn’t have such calamitous money grubbing foreign policies & kept their oil grabbing hands out of other countries assets we wouldn’t have suicide bombers many of which are set up & funded by the USA themselves eh!

I personally find it hard to justify sucide bombings.
You know how much Oil Afghanistan produces? ZERO.
According to most data Iraq sells most of its oil to China and Asia, like 8% ends up in America.

Exactly China gained most from the war in Iraq.
So how does that fit the narrative that we went to war with Saddam to take his oil
When both us and the US are self sufficient in fossil fuel resources.
To the point where we both export oil and gas .Much of it to China.
Whatever the conspiracy theory is it looks as though the US and Russia are trying to play off China to their perceived respective advantages.
In this case Ukraine and Russia and the US all wanting to get into bed with the CCP and do what’s good for China.
Why and wtf is going on here.

theguardian.com/world/audio/ … ge-ukraine

Too much emphasis on Putin.There are numerous angles running this show not least being China wanting to hijack Ukraine’s resources after Nohopeskey had invited them in.
While Putin is obviously working to the ‘advice’ of his generals and inner circle.
NATOs containment strategy provided the pretext for Russia to kick all this off.After NATO abandoned the strategy of strategic deterrents and the balance of power.Parking NATO tanks on Russia’s front lawn was always going to create havoc in that regard.
All bets were/are off from that point.