Seems plans to charge our foreign friends are coming together.
That wouldnt be so bad, but if like the swiss vignette system where tourists have to buy 1 years worth just for the short period theyre there.
just take a look on ebay to see how the swiss vignette is traded from tourist to tourist trying to recoup a few £`s, then apply the same logic to foreign hauliers, and the potential for abuse of the system is there
What’s the point in introducing it to UK trucks as well and reducing another tax slightly to cover the cost? Wouldn’t it just be easier to apply the charge to ONLY foreign trucks?..It would save so much cash if taxes were left the same and UK trucks were exempt…if its not then someone else has to paid god knows how much as a civil servant to think of how to compensate british trucks! And lets face it, with technology now, you could easily stop foreign trucks taking the ■■■■.
Yes, I smell a rat when they say they’ll reduce other taxes - £9 a day for a truck working 24/7 is over £3200 - more than the road tax, so what other tax would they look at reducing? - can’t imagine them refunding the difference somehow… As Adam says, it should apply to foreign trucks only
ONCE more for those who say that only NON-UK lorries should
pay a road charge , this will be illegal & if you look through the
site at the old posts about roadchathing in the UK, You will see
THAT the UK op tided out of the EURO VINGETTE when it was first
introduced and every year there after, when it comes in it will be
IMPLEMENTED on all trucks UK and all others , lets just hope that
they adjust the fuel and road tax, OR you will see in the UK just
like in Germany many firms going under due to the costs and not
being able to recover these when the drive for a customer who
refuses to pay a extra cost,
brit pete:
ONCE more for those who say that only NON-UK lorries should
pay a road charge , this will be illegal & if you look through the
site at the old posts about roadchathing in the UK, You will see
THAT the UK op tided out of the EURO VINGETTE when it was first
introduced and every year there after, when it comes in it will be
IMPLEMENTED on all trucks UK and all others , lets just hope that
they adjust the fuel and road tax, OR you will see in the UK just
like in Germany many firms going under due to the costs and not
being able to recover these when the drive for a customer who
refuses to pay a extra cost,
Are you sure?..I see more German trucks here than any other country, even more than Polish ones.
I guess it is because, under EU rules, it has to apply to everyone.
You cann’t impose the charge onto foreign lorries only, it’s been explained here like 365 times…
The system as described in the article (vignette for all, discount of another tax for UK hauliers) was suggested by me some time ago here on this forum.
Very easy to implement so I don’t quite understand what will they be doing till 2014. Perhaps wasting money on surveys and reports?
By 2014 UK should have a GPS based system as given by the EU. This way we will never have a universal simple to use EU-wide toll system.
With the number of ANPR cameras across the UK it should not be a problem to have an “electronic vignette” - no stupid stickers, numberplates registered automatically as you drive past a camera, pay monthly,weekly or when leaving the country.
Also, I’d like to know how much money is the govt looking at making a year, net and where will the money go, into treasury for re-distribution or into road funds?
For example, in Slovakia, govt is planning to cash ~50mil euro from vignettes (cars only). Now take that 1km of new motorway on a flatland costs ~10mil and in hills 15-20mil…
The newly-built electronic toll for >3.5t fetches ~150mil/year, but large part of it stays with the company running it till the systems is fully paid for.
So the whole road toll scheme does not provide much benefit to anybody but SkyToll.
I am quite sure as the German transport is suffering badly
except those firms who refuse to move their wagons for cents
, specialist firms have no problems at all but small firms who
subbed out big firms have gone down as well due to money problems,
Well the UK could charge only foreign vehicles if they found a good enough name and a reason for it. Such as we pay road tax to help the “up keep” of british roads…foreign vehicles don’t pay tax directly to use our roads so this money could be used directly to pay for maintenance of our roads for the damage that they cause by trundling over here…That’s a very simplified idea of doing it but if the government really wanted to do it, they’d find a way…after all, they’re making us have CPC’s for no reason!
Adam_Mc:
Well the UK could charge only foreign vehicles if they found a good enough name and a reason for it. Such as we pay road tax to help the “up keep” of british roads…foreign vehicles don’t pay tax directly to use our roads so this money could be used directly to pay for maintenance of our roads for the damage that they cause by trundling over here…!
So the French drivers don’t pay tolls in France, along with their Italian and Spanish neighbours paying tolls in theirs, the Belgians and Dutch don’t pay the vignette in their countries, the Germans don’t pay the MAUT, etc.etc.etc. ■■?!!! 
Along with taxes and duty on fuel.
Why then should UK drivers be exempt from paying in their own country. What I’m getting at is that UK hauliers going abroad pay into the foreign country’s systems, along with the drivers of those countries, so shouldn’t it be the same in reverse. If this toll/tax system does come into practice here in the UK, there should be a way that UK hauliers could claim some sort of rebate, or UK excise duties be reduced, for UK hauliers.
Maybe we should petition the RHA, FTA and transport unions to defend the case for refunding
As a p.s. to my above comment.
Something that has to be ensured is that the relevant fees paid, must go into the road network system, as it does abroad, for better roads , service areas and facilities just for truck drivers, etc.
A comment I got from a foreing driver sometime ago was, "we do pay in the UK, every time we park in a motorway service area, and for what ? bad showers, expensive bad food "
pierrot 14:
Adam_Mc:
Well the UK could charge only foreign vehicles if they found a good enough name and a reason for it. Such as we pay road tax to help the “up keep” of british roads…foreign vehicles don’t pay tax directly to use our roads so this money could be used directly to pay for maintenance of our roads for the damage that they cause by trundling over here…!So the French drivers don’t pay tolls in France, along with their Italian and Spanish neighbours paying tolls in theirs, the Belgians and Dutch don’t pay the vignette in their countries, the Germans don’t pay the MAUT, etc.etc.etc. ■■?!!!
Why then should UK drivers be exempt from paying in their own country. What I’m getting at is that UK hauliers going abroad pay into the foreign country’s systems, along with the drivers of those countries, so shouldn’t it be the same in reverse. If this toll/tax system does come into practice here in the UK, there should be a way that UK hauliers could claim some sort of rebate, or UK excise duties be reduced, for UK hauliers.
If the FTA and RHA are as good at getting a refund on road charges as they are on fuel taxes then you’re going to be waiting a long time before that petition has any effect.
It looks like all those who wanted road charging brought in here,because of the so called issue of foreign trucks using our roads for nothing while we have to pay to use theirs,are going to get what they wanted.So now it just means that even just uk running firms will get charged just like euro running ones but unlike the euro operations uk only operators can’t offset some of the extra costs by buying cheaper diesel in places like Luxembourg etc.
pierrot 14:
Why then should UK drivers be exempt from paying in their own country.
We already pay road fund licence, whereas Johnny foreigner doesn’t, so we already pay to run in our own country.
Ken.
Quinny:
pierrot 14:
Why then should UK drivers be exempt from paying in their own country.We already pay road fund licence, whereas Johnny foreigner doesn’t, so we already pay to run in our own country.
Ken.
but some european countries do pay road fund licence in their own country, spain being one of them.
we pay tax to run on our roads but foreigners don’t just like the UK.
as someone previously posted under EU rules taxation must be for all, like belgium foreigners pay and the belgians pay the same.
I think its an excuse to blame the foreigners when really the government just want to increase the tax on UK trucks, after all 8 or 9 pound a day is more than UK roadtax isn’t it?
welshboyinspain:
Quinny:
pierrot 14:
Why then should UK drivers be exempt from paying in their own country.We already pay road fund licence, whereas Johnny foreigner doesn’t, so we already pay to run in our own country.
Ken.
but some european countries do pay road fund licence in their own country, spain being one of them.
we pay tax to run on our roads but foreigners don’t just like the UK.
as someone previously posted under EU rules taxation must be for all, like belgium foreigners pay and the belgians pay the same.
Exactly what I said, European hauliers, running in their own countries do pay into their own system of taxation above and beyond what visiting hauliers pay.