UK paper licence checks in europe

GBPub:
Orys so it is ok for you to have a go at the Ukraine, but I am not allowed to criticise anyone. You are the one who said the following!!!

orys:
if you have Ukrainian license it is as you wrote on your forehead “I bought my license from this shaddy guy on a fruit market”

Orys I really am not interested in either your history lessons or you trying to justify how much harder it is supposed to be to obtain a licence. I stand by my statement that the quality of driving by many Eastern Europeans is appalling. Apart from many of them being extremely dangerous drivers, you want to watch them trying to reverse on to a loading bay.

Their overtaking skills aren’t that clever either !
How many times have you seen a car smashed in the central or facing the wrong way on the hard shoulder and an HGV is involved, take a look at the registration of the HGV involved.
I would say that 95% of the time it will be SK, PL, RO, BG, or CZ registered and the car has just been side-swiped by a driver that either hasn’t looked properly or drifted into the other lane.

GBPub:
Who mentioned Polish drivers? Certainly not me, I actually said Eastern European.

Poland is one of the biggest EE countries, so it’s obvious that most of EE drivers will be Polish. And since I know Poland very well (unlike you), I can give you some facts showing why you are wrong based on my experience.

I stand by my comments that the standard of driving by the vast majority of Eastern Europeans is appalling.

Yeah, you might want to stand by them, that does not makes them facts.

If you are so proud of your country, can I ask why you choose to live here in the UK instead of back in Poland?

Answered it several times on this forum already, use search engine.

pierrot 14:
I would say that 95% of the time it will be SK, PL, RO, BG, or CZ registered and the car has just been side-swiped by a driver that either hasn’t looked properly or drifted into the other lane.

You would say that, but off course that does not makes it true. It’s obvious that examples of side sweeping will be made in most cases by the LHD vehicles, and since most of them on your roads are EE european, its not a rocket sience, why they will cause most of these accidents.

If the amount of British lorries on European roads would be even comparable to situation you have here, the results will be analogical to this (and spare me stories “we were doing a lot of Europe in 70s and we never side sweeped anyone” - the traffic was much different back then).

Orys, you talk a load of carp and not the type you eat for Xmas dinner.

As for your answer regarding side swiping, funny that we see it all over Europe so NO it isn’t just the fact they are LHD vehicles driving in the UK, it is as most will agree the standard of driving by Eastern Europeans is appalling. Really don’t know why they bother having mirrors fitted as they obviously don’t use or know how to use them. This says it all to me and it was you who said it:

orys:

  • Polish drivers have less respect to the highway code
  • Polish drivers tend to speeding more

Oh and for your information, I have some very good Polish friends who have been living in the UK since long before Poland was allowed to join the EU and have even visited them in Poland when they have gone back on holiday.

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orys:

pierrot 14:
I would say that 95% of the time it will be SK, PL, RO, BG, or CZ registered and the car has just been side-swiped by a driver that either hasn’t looked properly or drifted into the other lane.

You would say that, but off course that does not makes it true. It’s obvious that examples of side sweeping will be made in most cases by the LHD vehicles, and since most of them on your roads are EE european, its not a rocket sience, why they will cause most of these accidents.

If the amount of British lorries on European roads would be even comparable to situation you have here, the results will be analogical to this (and spare me stories “we were doing a lot of Europe in 70s and we never side sweeped anyone” - the traffic was much different back then).

No, we were still doing an enormous amount of continental work up until the 2004 eu expansion, and the simple fact is that it was not commonplace to see a car which had been sideswiped by a British truck. Yes, the standard of driving by eastern Europeans is poor and as for the standard in Russia, it is absolutely appalling and car drivers think nothing of stopping in the outside lane of a motorway to change a wheel for example.

Harry Monk:
No, we were still doing an enormous amount of continental work up until the 2004 eu expansion, and the simple fact is that it was not commonplace to see a car which had been sideswiped by a British truck. Yes, the standard of driving by eastern Europeans is poor and as for the standard in Russia, it is absolutely appalling and car drivers think nothing of stopping in the outside lane of a motorway to change a wheel for example.

Someohow I don’t believe you - I saw British truck side sweeping car in France and in Belgium myself this year. So if it happens now often enough for me to see it twice, I don’t believe that it was so unheard of back then when the British traffic in the continent was much bigger than today.

As for the driving standards of Eastern Europe - you can make this bold, underlined, you can also make the font bigger and brightly red, but it will still not make it true :wink: Every nation has its share of good and bad drivers, skills of the drivers are not dependant of their nationality. But the system of training is different and some road customs can also differ.

Saying that there are off course some fields when some nationalities will be better than others - for example standards of British drivers in snowy condition is appaling compared to Polish standards, and yet we ■■■■ compared to the Scandinavian drivers. I think it’s obvious that this fact has nothing to do with nationality, but it is strictly related to the amount of experience average driver from each of these countries can gain in driving on snow? :wink:

GBPub:
Orys, you talk a load of carp and not the type you eat for Xmas dinner.

Yeah, that was really strong argument. You might want to make it even stronger by bolding and underlining it, as Harry Monk did :wink:

As for your answer regarding side swiping, funny that we see it all over Europe so NO it isn’t just the fact they are LHD vehicles driving in the UK

Off course, I wrote that this is most likely situation to end like that. You are off course right, the situation of side sweeping by the truck suitable for the country when it happens can be seen allover Europe, including British isles.

it is as most will agree the standard of driving by Eastern Europeans is appalling

Most of this forum users will agree, maybe. No wonder, if most of this forum users have next to none knowledge about the subject and is British, and its very comon amongst Britons to think that they are better than other nations :wink: Still it does not make it true.

Really don’t know why they bother having mirrors fitted as they obviously don’t use or know how to use them. This says it all to me and it was you who said it:

orys:

  • Polish drivers have less respect to the highway code
  • Polish drivers tend to speeding more

See - exactly what I mean: I gave you my observation about both British drivers and Polish drivers, yet you picked only the facts about Polish drivers :wink:

Check the statistics, I can’t find it now, but in 2008 Polish drivers in UK caused 11 times less accident per head than for example German drivers in UK. I think also French and other Western nations were having worse statistics then we had, obviously then if we are not talking about opinions but about fact, the Eastern European driving standards cannot be so bad. Cant’ find it now, but I found the information that this infamous guy who caused the deadly accident was Portugeze. I can hardly consider Portugal as Eastern European country :wink:

Oh and for your information, I have some very good Polish friends who have been living in the UK since long before Poland was allowed to join the EU and have even visited them in Poland when they have gone back on holiday.

Cool, I was once in San Marino. Somehow I don’t think I have enough experience to draw any conclusions about San Marinians driving :wink:

let’s get right down to the point, shall we - how much exactly do the british owe poland for winning world war one and two?

milodon:
let’s get right down to the point, shall we - how much exactly do the british owe poland for winning world war one and two?

what, compared to the estonians :question: :unamused: :unamused:
my history is very bad compared to orys but wasn’t talinn a famous ghetto? if i’m wrong i’ll admit it but the poles fought alongside the brits especially in the air force, i’ve not read any war comics of any estonians doing the same :question:

welshboyinspain:
my history is very bad compared to orys but wasn’t talinn a famous ghetto? if i’m wrong i’ll admit it but the poles fought alongside the brits especially in the air force, i’ve not read any war comics of any estonians doing the same :question:

Maybe you should look in some comics shop for neo-nazis, I am sure there will be something on the Estonian Legion within SS-Verfügungstruppe :stuck_out_tongue:

I don’t really think estonia has ever had enough jews to fill a camp but then again I really don’t care. I don’t believe anybody owes us anything, except for what was formerly the soviet union but on the flipside most of our criminals emigrated to andalucia come eu, we do owe spain for taking them I guess.

orys:

welshboyinspain:
my history is very bad compared to orys but wasn’t talinn a famous ghetto? if i’m wrong i’ll admit it but the poles fought alongside the brits especially in the air force, i’ve not read any war comics of any estonians doing the same :question:

Maybe you should look in some comics shop for neo-nazis, I am sure there will be something on the Estonian Legion within SS-Verfügungstruppe :stuck_out_tongue:

i read a book recently (can’t remember its name :blush: ) about a young lad who was like a double agent from talinn, and there was something about his sisters and i vaguely remember something to do with wolves. which is why i asked if talinn was a nasty place in the war

milodon:
I don’t really think estonia has ever had enough jews to fill a camp but then again I really don’t care. I don’t believe anybody owes us anything, except for what was formerly the soviet union but on the flipside most of our criminals emigrated to andalucia come eu, we do owe spain for taking them I guess.

so thats why there are so many lambos and ferraris with est plates around here, local paper had interview with some rich bloke who was involved in security and bodyguards from estonia

orys:
Maybe you should look in some comics shop for neo-nazis, I am sure there will be something on the Estonian Legion within SS-Verfügungstruppe :stuck_out_tongue:

oh yes my dear orys, we were under the german occupation as well as the russian one. I’m sure you would have preferred execution for desertion instead of joining but alas, my ancestors were only human, not polish.

welshboyinspain:

orys:

welshboyinspain:
my history is very bad compared to orys but wasn’t talinn a famous ghetto? if i’m wrong i’ll admit it but the poles fought alongside the brits especially in the air force, i’ve not read any war comics of any estonians doing the same :question:

Maybe you should look in some comics shop for neo-nazis, I am sure there will be something on the Estonian Legion within SS-Verfügungstruppe :stuck_out_tongue:

i read a book recently (can’t remember its name :blush: ) about a young lad who was like a double agent from talinn, and there was something about his sisters and i vaguely remember something to do with wolves. which is why i asked if talinn was a nasty place in the war

TBH I don’t know much about Estonia during the war, except from that they have their own voluntary SS units and that they were playing along Germans to trick and arrest the Polish submarine ORP OrzeÅ‚ during the first days of the war (but she managed to escape, got to Rosyth and joined the Royal Navy, leaving the kidnapped Estonian Soldiers unharmed on the Swedish island). That had a strong repercussion to Estonia, as after Soviet Union invaded it, it accused them unrightly of helping the Poles.

Anyway, please note that this is not me who draws history into this thread, in fact, I am even working hard to kick the nationality issues from it, as my point is that being good or bad driver has nothing to do with one’s nationality.

milodon:

orys:
Maybe you should look in some comics shop for neo-nazis, I am sure there will be something on the Estonian Legion within SS-Verfügungstruppe :stuck_out_tongue:

oh yes my dear orys, we were under the german occupation as well as the russian one. I’m sure you would have preferred execution for desertion instead of joining but alas, my ancestors were only human, not polish.

Oh yes, and we were under Peru occupation and then Togo Islands took over :unamused:

orys:
Someohow I don’t believe you - I saw British truck side sweeping car in France and in Belgium myself this year. So if it happens now often enough for me to see it twice, I don’t believe that it was so unheard of back then when the British traffic in the continent was much bigger than today.

I really don’t care if you believe me or not, it is the truth, and any amount of drivers here will tell you that it is the truth. You may on one or two occasions have seen a British truck which has sideswiped a car over the course of several years, I drive half-way around the M25 and I see two or three such incidents involving eastern European trucks in the space of 50 miles and I see that every single day of the week.

But, as the old British proverb has it, “A liar never believes a word anyone else ever says”, so let’s just leave it at that. :wink:

Harry Monk:
I drive half-way around the M25 and I see two or three such incidents involving eastern European trucks in the space of 50 miles and I see that every single day of the week.

I am regular there and I see much less incidents than you. How is that? Do they hide it in the bushes when I approach them? :smiley:

I told everything I have to tell on that subject, I provided you with some factual data and several arguments. If you choose to do not believe me, well…

But, as the old British proverb has it, “A liar never believes a word anyone else ever says”, so let’s just leave it at that. :wink:

It seems that by bringing that proverb you are using double-ended weapon (i am not sure if this is right expression, but I hope you know what I mean")

Take care!

Up to you Orys, but ask yourself why your countrymen are given a free Fresnel lens when they arrive at Dover, the Polish police never felt the need to give me a Fresnel lens any time I entered your country.

My last employer had four Polish drivers at one stage because “it seemed like a good idea at the time”. He ended up getting rid of all four of them because the insurance company wanted so much money to re-insure them for another year.

Perhaps the insurance company are prejudiced too? Or perhaps they just base premiums on past claims experience… :wink:

Harry Monk:
Up to you Orys, but ask yourself why your countrymen are given a free Fresnel lens when they arrive at Dover, the Polish police never felt the need to give me a Fresnel lens any time I entered your country.

Last time I was in Dover they offered fresnel lenses also to the Britons leaving the country :wink:

As for Poland - the amount of British lorries on the roads is marginal, there is no point of starting a Fresnel scheme, which should answer your question. Still, many truck stops sell them, so you can buy one if you think it makes your life safer.

My last employer had four Polish drivers at one stage because “it seemed like a good idea at the time”. He ended up getting rid of all four of them because the insurance company wanted so much money to re-insure them for another year.

If I only knew enough Polish people, I could make a leaving of bonuses I was offered to find Polish workers for the Britons asking me “if I know some drivers/tradesemans/programmers etc.” So I guess it is not so bad idea after all.

Perhaps the insurance company are prejudiced too? Or perhaps they just base premiums on past claims experience… :wink:

No, the insurance companies aren’t This is why they don’t ask about one’s nationality. Moreover: some of them ask about your license, and if I tell them I have Polish license, the quote for me is still the same. Thank you for providing me that example, I forgot about it :wink:

As for your ex-boss experience: If the Polish drivers he had were idiots, they will be expensive to insure. This would be exactly the same if these idiots were British, French or from Zambia.