UK Gov loses again

Oh no, hurty words from a creature so bereft of character that it gleefully reports the possibility of thousands of people losing their livelihoods, how will I ever recover?

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Ha! That’s ripe coming from a ■■■■ like you, they can go build wind & solar farms.

On behalf of Northerners I apologuise for the idiot wannabee, nation-wrecking member that is lancpud.

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Also why is that Lancpud idiot even on this forum if he’s such an eco-faq? Literally diesel guzzling wagons are our bread and butter and he’s a greenpeace fanatic?

Bipolar much or just hatewatching?

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Ask any transporter whether they want their trucks to guzzle less or more fuel, and see what the response is.
Any jam on your bread and butter is from the diesel not guzzled by the trucks you drive.

Transport is about moving stuff, and making money at doing it.

Horses were lamented by some. Steam was loved by others. Both are still around in limited ways.
For lots of commercial operations diesel will one day be obsolete too.

Go ■■■■ yourself you ignoramus, I can tell you & the ■■■■ know ■■■■ all about the latest EU directive that the UK will comply too.

These fossil fool jobs will be gone with or without me mentioning them, It’s news that you won’t get in the comedy MSM, have a look at the CSDD directive, It’s akin to legacy auto having to pay €100s millions in fines because they can’t get their emissions in order.

Corporations like big oil will have to pay enormous fines because their environmental claims are pie in the sky like Totalenergies.

This new legislation also takes into account the companies human rights record which Qatar are on the verge of telling the EU/UK no more LPG because their human rights record is dire, So put that in ta pipe you ■■■■■

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This Directive establishes a corporate due diligence duty. The core elements of this duty are identifying and addressing potential and actual adverse human rights and environmental impacts in the company’s own operations, their subsidiaries and, where related to their value chain(s), those of their business partners. In addition, the Directive sets out an obligation for large companies to adopt and put into effect, through best efforts, a transition plan for climate change mitigation aligned with the 2050 climate neutrality objective of the Paris Agreement as well as intermediate targets under the European Climate Law. In February 2025, the Commission adopted an Omnibus package to simplify due diligence requirements to better support responsible business practices.

Guzzle less or more, it does guzzle. The devil is in the details of how much you want to castrate it. Hopefully for another 20 years we still have it ICE. I have high hopes for hydrogen wagons though.

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Why?
I happen to like V8 sound tracks. But for work purposes? Why diesel or other ICEs?
I can imagine existing engines being converted to hydrogen…just…but why have an engine with hundreds of moving parts when you can have an electric motor with one?

I would hate to see ICEs outlawed, but like horses and steam engines, they will be outdone for efficiency in the future…probably.

Well DUH! To annoy a tool like you. Entitled much?

I have always believed that any legislation forced on the populus is bad legislation and I can’t help but think that the move to EVs is just that.

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That makes a lot of sense, but…
I remember parking meters and seatbelts, and crash helmet, and breathalyser, laws being brought in…Yes I am old.
Now very few would moan too much about how “restrictive” those laws are.

More recently smoking in public buildings. It now seems like it was (almost) always this way. Some still hate it, but I would say it is widely accepted as the norm.

Change always brings about resistance, but I do not think it often brings revolution.

I think the difference there is the yoof of today have grown up with the laws we had forced upon us, just as we grew up with the laws our elders had forced upon them, 'tis the way of the world. So often governments bring in laws that most disagree with, that they never mention in their manifestos, but that they had already planned from the outset. Likewise they promise much in their manifestos but produce little once in power. Elected men speak with forked tongue!

Was it never thus?

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Genius! Such a simple solution that I’m surprised nobody has thought of it before.

I’m struggling to accept that a person with only one head can be so stupid.

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  • Using our definition’s industry approach, UK employment in green jobs was an estimated 690,900 full-time equivalents (FTEs) in 2023.
  • Employment in green jobs was an estimated 34.6% higher (177,600 FTEs) in 2023 than in 2015, when it was 513,300 FTEs.
    ONS Estimates of green jobs, UK - Office for National Statistics

Green jobs are an expanding sector.
Oil and gas are already shrinking.

Some jobs in oil and gas will be lost.
Some will be pissed off about that.
Oil company owners especially.

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Of course they are! Especially when we’ve got zealots like Mlliband et al jumping on the gravy train pushing an agenda and their self interests constantly.

The problem we as a species is that we have allowed these loons far too much say instead of doing what we should be doing which is pointing at them and laughing.

The whole green energy scam is a giant Ponzi scheme that’s making a select few obscene amounts of money at the ultimate cost to mankind.

People jump on the green energy bandwagon but handily ignore how the raw materials are sourced and utilised to make their wind turbines or solar farms, and that’s before we even think about their end of life disposal.

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Some people are a bit long in the tooth to realise that change always comes no matter what, they have short memories about the change that they have already incorporated into their lives

Even if the electric car or truck or bus is a no go because it doesn’t work the likes of yourself will follow the mast no matter what

You and your sort are no different to the general public, in other words you don’t have a choice in anything and never did

Talk about the green they are the scum of the earth but this is change and progress and moving with the times

you yourself or me or anyone else don’t have a say

Jesus I’m getting the flag out

M

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Has Miliband any financial interest in energy companies?

Are oil companies Co-Operatives? Workers collectives?

There have been..hundreds…thousands?..of studies of this.
Some are financed by “Windmills R Us” and some by “Emissions R Us”.
(Some others are by “Polluters Central”…trading as “Cuddly Greenies”)
Few are independently financed (because silly people vote for low taxes, so that biased companies fund research rather than independent universities)
Overall it seems that even with all the concrete, steel, decommissioning etc. wind turbines are less bad than fossil fuels.

There is a lot of what-about-ery in green energy.
There are a lot of interested parties , just as in the tobacco issue. Money and vested interests hold a lot of power and exert a lot of influence.

Green Energy is not zero emissions. Nothing is.
Current Green tech is already lower emissions than oil/gas and seems to be getting better, too.

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I was not in the slightest insulting you i was defending you

Jesus can no one read English anymore

The problem is that normally your musings are not directed at anyone in particular, you’ve probably insulted me somewhere along the line but I’ve never paid it any attention because you don’t respond to any particular poster with the exception of your last one.

Just saying.