Well the Doctors seem to be talking about it after the NHS Reforms
But would it ever be a thing that US TRUCKERS could agree on doing and get rid of the stupid tax on fuel etc etc
Maybe a 1 Issue party, Could be called “Cut Fuel Tax” Everyone with a mind should put a X for that 
But then again, Can any of you guys agree Probably not 
We could call it the Cut Unneccessary NastyTaxes party
3 years is a long time in politics.
PLT, whilst I could see me voting for a doctor who is generally educated, I cant see me voting for a trucker after reading some of the posts on here 
After your ding dong with pavaroti the other day, would you vote for him? 
On a serious note, if you reduced taxation on fuel , where would you put it instead ?
del949:
PLT, whilst I could see me voting for a doctor who is generally educated, I cant see me voting for a trucker after reading some of the posts on hereAfter your ding dong with pavaroti the other day, would you vote for him?
On a serious note, if you reduced taxation on fuel , where would you put it instead ?
TBH, I feel the Whole thing needs a good shake up, Start from Scratch, Just imagine Keep repairing your truck, after so many miles it will become too expensive to repair, thus get a new Model, Well that principle CAN be said about everything in Life, Including Taxes etc etc
btw no comment on Pavaroti’s post, I did see what he put before it was posted, and I wont comment further on that.
I agree that a full shake up of taxes is long overdue, but the fact remains that the gov’t needs “x” number of pounds and it can only come from one place.
Taxing the rich at 50%, whilst making me happier, actually achieves very little.
(didn’t see the post, can’t comment etc, but the question was would you vote for him if he was the candidate for the party you suggest.
I suspect not, and after reading some of the bizarre ideas proposed on here about various things I can only say the same would apply to many many truckers, probably myself included)
Taking ALL the considerations re expense and tax for the nation do any of you honestly think you can do a better job (not the same as a more honest job).
The plain fact is that the country HAS to get people back into work, paying non workers to stay at home is simply a waste of resources, if that means restrciting immigration from wherever then that is what must be done, if it means protectionist policies for our remaining industries then that too must be done.
The government must practice “britain first, second and last” , all other countries must be left to solve there own problems untill our own are sorted.
Only way forward as far as I can see is a closed shop policy. Buy British.
Obviously, there’s a need to import goods, if we don’t import some goods we won’t export any of our goods.
But we’re buying coal from Russia, timber from Scandinavia, wool from New Zealand, meat from the Phillipines and grain from America. We’re importing stone from India when there’s countless redundant quarries here. We’re importing steel from Poland when our own steel works are dying a death, we’re paying foreign companies to build our infrastructures and services.
Our ships and oil rigs were once the best in the world, now they’re build in Singapore.
Could McAlpine/Balfour/Amec not have built that Wembely bollox for less than the 850m we’ve paid an Australian firm?
And could they not have built it with British steel instead of importing it?
Keep it in house. If the goods cost a bit more than importing, so be it. The returns will soon add up: More production means more jobs, means less dole being paid, means more income tax being collected. More production needs more raw materials, needs more transport, needs more fuel, means more jobs, means more tax coming in.
China and India’s economies are booming massively when the rest of the world is hitting depression, and why?
See how much stuff they import compared to what they export.
Isn’t this country just become ‘greedy’?
Recent example…
Sister’s boyfriend told me about a company wanting some signs made.
He quoted £80. A few weeks later, said company came blazing down the phone asking why the bill came to £750? 
He didn’t understand what happend then but found out his bosses added on ‘costs’. 
And people say fuel governs everything…
Goldfinger:
Isn’t this country just become ‘greedy’?Recent example…
Sister’s boyfriend told me about a company wanting some signs made.
He quoted £80. A few weeks later, said company came blazing down the phone asking why the bill came to £750?
He didn’t understand what happend then but found out his bosses added on ‘costs’.
And people say fuel governs everything…
I don’t understand this post, if the company was only quoted £80 then that must have been some mistake. If his boss has added on costs then they must be there to make profit. It is not a banned word, many people do not allow a business to grow, pay wages buy materials and replace machinery / tools.
Did the boyfriend talk to his bosses before quoting?
The “father in law” used to run a market cafe, it was a little goldmine and he has white fivers buried in the garden. Aside from that he is the greediest bloke ever, he is so tight he will drive 3 miles to save a penny on a pint of Guinness 
When we tell him the pub has to make a profit he just thinks they are being greedy, they have staff to pay, the rent is probably more and the dearest pub is cleaner.
I know exactly how much it costs to make a bacon sandwich and a cup of tea, but I will still use a cafe and pay a couple of quid.
Anyway the tax issue, maybe it is better if we go back to paying our taxes in our own towns of birth. It was tried once before.
The Emperor demanded that the whole world should be registered (ID Cards) Some of the people would have to return to the Middle East. (Problem Solved)
If we are going to stick together against this. We could call ourselves the Zealots
del949:
On a serious note, if you reduced taxation on fuel , where would you put it instead ?
Income tax.
cieranc:
Only way forward as far as I can see is a closed shop policy. Buy British.
Obviously, there’s a need to import goods, if we don’t import some goods we won’t export any of our goods.
But we’re buying coal from Russia, timber from Scandinavia, wool from New Zealand, meat from the Phillipines and grain from America. We’re importing stone from India when there’s countless redundant quarries here. We’re importing steel from Poland when our own steel works are dying a death, we’re paying foreign companies to build our infrastructures and services.
Our ships and oil rigs were once the best in the world, now they’re build in Singapore.
Could McAlpine/Balfour/Amec not have built that Wembely bollox for less than the 850m we’ve paid an Australian firm?
And could they not have built it with British steel instead of importing it?Keep it in house. If the goods cost a bit more than importing, so be it. The returns will soon add up: More production means more jobs, means less dole being paid, means more income tax being collected. More production needs more raw materials, needs more transport, needs more fuel, means more jobs, means more tax coming in.
China and India’s economies are booming massively when the rest of the world is hitting depression, and why?
See how much stuff they import compared to what they export.
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del949:
I agree that a full shake up of taxes is long overdue, but the fact remains that the gov’t needs “x” number of pounds and it can only come from one place.
Taxing the rich at 50%, whilst making me happier, actually achieves very little.
The fact is indirect taxation just fuels recession by adding to costs and making it more difficult to sell stuff and it hits lower earners harder in addition to adding to debt levels because people pay it using borrowed money before it’s been earn’t.Whereas income tax only becomes payable after the money has been earn’t to start with and if more goods are being sold then more people are employed so more income tax gets paid.
However none of that makes any difference if they throw the economy down the tubes anyway by using cheap imported labour and imported goods made in cheap labour economies.
Plus the added benifit that the British workers building stuff etc will be spending hard cash in British shops.
I’d vote for a carryfast and switchlogic coalition.
PinkLadyTrucker:
But would it ever be a thing that US TRUCKERS could agree on doing and get rid of the stupid tax on fuel etc etcMaybe a 1 Issue party, Could be called “Cut Fuel Tax” Everyone with a mind should put a X for that
Not really as simple as that though is it.
Wheel Nut:
If his boss has added on costs then they must be there to make profit. It is not a banned word, many people do not allow a business to grow, pay wages buy materials and replace machinery / tools.
Profit has indeed changed greatly over the years. Traditionally you made a profit, took some and re invested some. Almost exclusivley now investment to grow comes from outside investment who want the Lions share of the profits. Mostly this is done on a large scale as we drive increasingly towards huge companies (often International). Based on the sizes of these companies the margins at low level are very small . I mean, who actually owns a truck now and why would you have your own cash sitting in it? Not many i reckon !!!
Wheel Nut:
If we are going to stick together against this. We could call ourselves the Zealots
Dreamers ,more like it !! As per the OP’s post Doctors are actually stakeholders. Drivers are not. Hauliers are stakeholders. “Stakeholders” is a buzzword that means they’re the ones its got to do with !!
put it on income tax
So if we were to take tax/ duty/ vat off fuel , when we use approx 9,678,333,332 litres per year
(according to latest figures I could find) we need to recover that amount times by 73 p per litre = £7,065,183,332 (assuming that 73 p is the actual tax take on a litre)
how many pence per pound is that on income tax?
Bear in mind that the taxable pounds that this could be applied to is the number of pounds left after tax allowances, non taxpayers, unemployed, tax credits etc etc etc. so the rate per pound would be magnified
You may be happy with such a situation but I can guarantee that there are many more who wouldn’t be .
As a non tax payer I would be delighted!
cieranc:
Only way forward as far as I can see is a closed shop policy. Buy British.
Dream on. Buy British what? Most people won’t even buy British food if there’s a cheaper alternative!
You overlook the simple fact that as soon as we start closing our doors to foreign imports, the same happens to us. So taken to its extreme we’d have to survive on what we make and grow here, and your local supermarket would be a pretty boring place to shop.Plus the value of the pound would plummet; and all the business we do currently have (which is a ■■■■ sight more than most people think) would simply go to other suppliers. It’s a ■■■■ sight easier to keep business than it is to regain what’s lost.
Much as I’d like to throw my hat into the ring I’ve already signed up to stand for the one issue Guinea Pigs For Schools Party
gnasty gnome:
Dream on. Buy British what?
Steel, textiles, coal, wood, food, furniture, white goods, cars (built here), chemicals, ships, electrical, mechanical and civil engineering, project management…
gnasty gnome:
Most people won’t even buy British food if there’s a cheaper alternative!
Yeah, that’s the problem.
gnasty gnome:
You overlook the simple fact that as soon as we start closing our doors to foreign imports, the same happens to us.
No need to close the doors completely, just buy more British.
gnasty gnome:
So taken to its extreme we’d have to survive on what we make and grow here,
It wouldn’t need taking to the extreme. Just a policy of buying British where practical. I’m not suggesting we ban the import of pineapples or grapes. But we could buy meats, beans, greens that are grown or produced here, instead of importing it 'cos it’s 10p cheaper. There’s a factory near me that brings tankers of milk in from Europe for food production. Our cows no good?
gnasty gnome:
and your local supermarket would be a pretty boring place to shop.
I don’t go to the supermarket for the adrenaline rush.
cieranc:
gnasty gnome:
Dream on. Buy British what?Steel, textiles, coal, wood, food, furniture, white goods, cars (built here), chemicals, ships, electrical, mechanical and civil engineering, project management…
gnasty gnome:
Most people won’t even buy British food if there’s a cheaper alternative!Yeah, that’s the problem.
gnasty gnome:
You overlook the simple fact that as soon as we start closing our doors to foreign imports, the same happens to us.No need to close the doors completely, just buy more British.
gnasty gnome:
So taken to its extreme we’d have to survive on what we make and grow here,It wouldn’t need taking to the extreme. Just a policy of buying British where practical. I’m not suggesting we ban the import of pineapples or grapes. But we could buy meats, beans, greens that are grown or produced here, instead of importing it 'cos it’s 10p cheaper. There’s a factory near me that brings tankers of milk in from Europe for food production. Our cows no good?
gnasty gnome:
and your local supermarket would be a pretty boring place to shop.I don’t go to the supermarket for the adrenaline rush.
Cars. Nissan. Honda. Toyota. BMW & TATA. Hmm, OK it may be UK workers but the companies are not British. I cannot afford a Caterham, Westfield, or Morgan.
Chemicals. Greenpeace have almost put a stop to that, they would prefer us to buy chemicals from Eastern Europe or China and risk them being contaminated with something.
State of the Art HiFi equipment from BUSH or Kenwood or HK, Panasonic, Sony and Sanyo. Although I would buy Wharfedale speakers if they still made them in the UK
I do own a pair of English Loakes boots and a pair of English Church shoes